Around the NBA - Randle >>>> Harden etc

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[Capn'O]

I was talking about Boucher

somebody tell kg.

but as far as van felton, it's still an overpay. and if the knicks keep losing like this, who needed to pay him. he aint adding that many wins to make the playoffs. just look at the raptors record.

i mean lets be honest though....FVV is a massive improvement over Elfrid...I think we would be a LOT better. If the goal was to win (which it looks like that way)...if you going to overpay for a guy he woudl have been one of the guys to overpay just to get Elfrid the f*ck away from this organization.

Kyle Lowry JR Aka De'Anthony Melton could have kept us at

- Lower Salary
- Higher Long Term Upside
- Lower Ceiling for Wins This Year

His %s are way up this year so far.



I'm gonna have to keep my salary flexible for Boucher in 2023. Got DAMN.

[Chanel Bomber]

he wouldn't even meet with us. it's not really that much different than complaining we didn't sign lebron in 2010. except he actually met with us.

I was talking about Boucher

somebody tell kg.

but as far as van felton, it's still an overpay. and if the knicks keep losing like this, who needed to pay him. he aint adding that many wins to make the playoffs. just look at the raptors record.

I don't get the point of the "overpay".

He's scoring 20.5 ppg on .558 TS% and .381 3P%. He's everything this team needs at the PG spot. He's not leading any team to the promised land but he would help us play a decent brand of basketball and help hide some of RJ and Mitch's weaknesses. He would also open up the court for Randle.

I mean say we overpaid by $5 million a year. Who's that $5 million preventing us from signing in free agency? Kawhi? Puh-lease! Even if Kawhi were to come here (lol), the Knicks could still maneuver to make up for these $5 mill.

[god shammgod]

I was talking about Boucher

somebody tell kg.

but as far as van felton, it's still an overpay. and if the knicks keep losing like this, who needed to pay him. he aint adding that many wins to make the playoffs. just look at the raptors record.

I don't get the point of the "overpay".

He's scoring 20.5 ppg on .558 TS% and .381 3P%. He's everything this team needs at the PG spot. He's not leading any team to the promised land but he would help us play a decent brand of basketball and help hide some of RJ and Mitch's weaknesses. He would also open up the court for Randle.

I mean say we overpaid by $5 million a year. Who's that $5 million preventing us from signing in free agency? Kawhi? Puh-lease! Even if Kawhi were to come here (lol), the Knicks could still maneuver to make up for these $5 mill.

at the end of the day, you have only so much cap space. if you have randle, and you pay fred, and you pay mitch this summer. that's it, you're capped out. that's the team. you'll need the draft to improve and you'll probably never get in the top 5. how far are you getting ? are you even a playoff team ? how many wins above replacement player does fred give you. they analyze this kind of stuff and without looking i would assume the most it could possibly be is 5. and personally, i would never spend that much money on a guard who wasn't very talented at shot creation because this team needs that badly. you can't give him the ball at the end of the game and say, take us home fred. that's not him. and that's what we need.

[K_ick_God]

Boucher will hold a free agency decision and tell us he'll meet with us before cancelling 15 minutes prior.

[K_ick_God]

If he wouldn't sign with us then there's nothing to regret.

Also if RJ doesn't work out, then it probably isn't worth it. But I think him and FVV in theory anyway works really well. So if one believes RJ is an investment, I think FVV protects and nurtures that investment.

If he's already sunken cost, then oh well. If not then, hopefully Knox can protect RJ lol.

"Oh well" is another perfect team slogan for us. Your 2020-21 Knicks ... Oh Well.

[sol537]

Go after Oladipo if he's healthy in the off-season.

Mitch, Randle, RJ, 'Dipo, plus the best PG we can find in the draft or otherwise. Quick, Knox, and Toppin can continue to grow off the bench.

[god shammgod]

If he wouldn't sign with us then there's nothing to regret.

Also if RJ doesn't work out, then it probably isn't worth it. But I think him and FVV in theory anyway works really well. So if one believes RJ is an investment, I think FVV protects and nurtures that investment.

If he's already sunken cost, then oh well. If not then, hopefully Knox can protect RJ lol.

"Oh well" is another perfect team slogan for us. Your 2020-21 Knicks ... Oh Well.

yeah, i think this is a big part of my decision making as well. i was running around all summer saying worrying about who fits with rj is meaningless because he's not good enough to worry about that. if he was projecting to be even a b/c level star then it would make more sense. but i didn't see that and the early returns aren't saying i was wrong.

[spree2kawhi]

Nurkic fractured his wrist, send them Julius for Covington and Collins, please give them their smallball 5.

I'm all for trading Randle on top of his game, but we don't need those players.

There are great and feasible targets out there. I mentioned Sacramento before, but there's clearly a lot more.

In contrast to last year, there are now teams with a use for him.

Houston now has tons of assets and a gap next to Wood.

Minnesota is thin up front and KAT hadthe ability to stretch the floor for Randle.

Denver is struggling and rely on merely Millsap and Green at PF.

Curry needs help with the scoring.

Dallas has a dear need for Randle, but they have nothing to offer.

And so on ...

It's not a matter of needing those players, it's about moving off Randle. The only team you named that could actually use him are the Wolves.

Mavs - They don't want anyone with the ball in their hands not named Luka and play 5 out.
Warriors - They have Draymond at the 4 and already straddled with two bleh players in Wiggins/Oubre
Denver - Bol Bol and MPJ are being groomed for the 3 & 4 and why would they want someone taking the ball out of Jokics hands?
Houston - Just traded for Levert, they have Wall and Wood for scoring and creating.


Randle isn't nearly as valuable as people think, holding out for a first rounder or some quality young players is going to turn up nothing, because his game doesn't fit with what contenders want or need.

I think that take is outdated by now, but you still may be right. At least what you say was clearly my opinion last season.

[spree2kawhi]

I'm all for trading Randle on top of his game, but we don't need those players.

There are great and feasible targets out there. I mentioned Sacramento before, but there's clearly a lot more.

In contrast to last year, there are now teams with a use for him.

Houston now has tons of assets and a gap next to Wood.

Minnesota is thin up front and KAT hadthe ability to stretch the floor for Randle.

Denver is struggling and rely on merely Millsap and Green at PF.

Curry needs help with the scoring.

Dallas has a dear need for Randle, but they have nothing to offer.

And so on ...

It's not a matter of needing those players, it's about moving off Randle. The only team you named that could actually use him are the Wolves.

Mavs - They don't want anyone with the ball in their hands not named Luka and play 5 out.
Warriors - They have Draymond at the 4 and already straddled with two bleh players in Wiggins/Oubre
Denver - Bol Bol and MPJ are being groomed for the 3 & 4 and why would they want someone taking the ball out of Jokics hands?
Houston - Just traded for Levert, they have Wall and Wood for scoring and creating.


Randle isn't nearly as valuable as people think, holding out for a first rounder or some quality young players is going to turn up nothing, because his game doesn't fit with what contenders want or need.

I’m trying to think which contenders could use him.

Bucks maybe? (They have nothing valuable to give up)
Heat? (They’re not giving up Nunn or Robinson)

I’m drawing blanks.

Like you said, get some floor spacers and call it a day.

I think we’ve moved from being afraid of teams beating us in trades to overplaying our hands.

Phoenix, Clippers, Lakers, Nets, Bucks and Heat could all really use him in some role. Nobody's got much to offer though. Houston and Phoenix sound really good imo, they could really maximize his skill.

[spree2kawhi]

I was talking about Boucher

somebody tell kg.

but as far as van felton, it's still an overpay. and if the knicks keep losing like this, who needed to pay him. he aint adding that many wins to make the playoffs. just look at the raptors record.

I don't get the point of the "overpay".

He's scoring 20.5 ppg on .558 TS% and .381 3P%. He's everything this team needs at the PG spot. He's not leading any team to the promised land but he would help us play a decent brand of basketball and help hide some of RJ and Mitch's weaknesses. He would also open up the court for Randle.

I mean say we overpaid by $5 million a year. Who's that $5 million preventing us from signing in free agency? Kawhi? Puh-lease! Even if Kawhi were to come here (lol), the Knicks could still maneuver to make up for these $5 mill.

He's rock solid, clutch and a champion. He's also as good as advertised this year. Would have been a tremendous addition - the type of warrior we haven't really had since Sheed, Spree or Camby.

[sol537]

What if the Knicks go after Beal with Toppin, Knox, DSJr, and picks.

Mitch, Randle, RJ, Beal, Quickley... it's a nice start to something...

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Been a rough year for KAT. Wishing him well.

[DaGawd]

This season is undoubtedly trash

[NoDopeOnSundays]

What if the Knicks go after Beal with Toppin, Knox, DSJr, and picks.

Mitch, Randle, RJ, Beal, Quickley... it's a nice start to something...

Look at what Harden got, and what the Rockets asked for from the Sixers - Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle and 3 firsts.


We'd have to give up RJ, Mitch, Quickley, Obi and 4 firsts and 2 swaps to get Beal

[Chanel Bomber]

somebody tell kg.

but as far as van felton, it's still an overpay. and if the knicks keep losing like this, who needed to pay him. he aint adding that many wins to make the playoffs. just look at the raptors record.

I don't get the point of the "overpay".

He's scoring 20.5 ppg on .558 TS% and .381 3P%. He's everything this team needs at the PG spot. He's not leading any team to the promised land but he would help us play a decent brand of basketball and help hide some of RJ and Mitch's weaknesses. He would also open up the court for Randle.

I mean say we overpaid by $5 million a year. Who's that $5 million preventing us from signing in free agency? Kawhi? Puh-lease! Even if Kawhi were to come here (lol), the Knicks could still maneuver to make up for these $5 mill.

at the end of the day, you have only so much cap space. if you have randle, and you pay fred, and you pay mitch this summer. that's it, you're capped out. that's the team. you'll need the draft to improve and you'll probably never get in the top 5. how far are you getting ? are you even a playoff team ? how many wins above replacement player does fred give you. they analyze this kind of stuff and without looking i would assume the most it could possibly be is 5. and personally, i would never spend that much money on a guard who wasn't very talented at shot creation because this team needs that badly. you can't give him the ball at the end of the game and say, take us home fred. that's not him. and that's what we need.

And who's that guy who's available then? Should the Knicks do nothing waiting for that guy fall into their lap?

The Knicks should start playing some real basketball. I don't care if we're capped out for 2 more years (until we make a decision on Randle), or 4 more years with Mitch, FVV and Randle/whoever. It's not like anyone is coming here with the sort of basketball we're playing, so it's not like 4 years (now soon to be 3) is that coercive of an investment. The Knicks could still maneuver with their assets now that they have draft capital should it be necessary - see how the Heat rebounded with the Richardson/Butler sign-and-trade. And we would at least be in a position where we can see what Mitch, Randle, RJ and even Obi really are, because right now we don't with the lack of shooting and the lack of quality in the backcourt.

If your point is about tanking, then you should oppose FVV no matter the cost, since it's about the wins, and not cap flexibility. It doesn't make sense to bring up the overpay if your goal is to tank and amass top 5 picks as you mentioned because it's irrelevant.

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Poor Karl Anthony Towns. I feel so bad for that kid

[evevale]

Giannis 1-10 from the line tonight so far ...

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payton pritchard already putting up better numbers than elfrid smh