Trade Talk (Part Five)

[theGreatRC]

Wouldn't give up anything crazy for a season of Tucker.

[Shaka_Zulu]

Hopefully any trade for Tucker includes an extension for him.

[Merc_Porto]

We need size as well. Tucker is not what we need. But if is for a guy like Laymam or Davis and a couple of second round picks, ok.

[RiRuHoops]

What about Rubio for Marcus Morris swap? Clippers were in the market for a passing PG, Wolves need a PF.

Basketball reasons aside...

Get rid of a guy universally known as a nice guy who's fun to root for... for one of the Morris brothers. Yuck.

And Morris at $64M for 4 years makes him a building block for this team... in his 30s. With an even checkered history that wouldn't suggest he'll be able to live up to that contract.

Ok. Expending the swap to a big trade:

Rubio, Culver, McDaniels for Aaron Gordon

Orlando get Morris, P. Beverly, Culver, McDaniels for Gordon and Aminu

Clipper get Rubio, Aminu for Morris and Beverly

[RiRuHoops]

Hopefully any trade for Tucker includes an extension for him.

a big extension for a washed up undersized PF? what could go wrong here?

[IceManBK1]

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Prayers to Towns. Hope he'll be alright. So he'll miss some time isolating?? Maybe we should trade for Mcgee to hold down the fort? I rather see if Cavs interested in trading Jarrett Allen or Larry Nance Jr. More.

[Jedzz]

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Prayers to Towns. Hope he'll be alright. So he'll miss some time isolating?? Maybe we should trade for Mcgee to hold down the fort? I rather see if Cavs interested in trading Jarrett Allen or Larry Nance Jr. More.

[Foye]

Hopefully any trade for Tucker includes an extension for him.

a big extension for a washed up undersized PF? what could go wrong here?

4/60 seems about right, huh?

[Jedzz]

On the rumors of Rosas going after Tucker...

This feels like a trade in the NFL, where some former towel boy in New England becomes GM of a bottom feeder, and starts trading future assets for the Patriots grizzled (read: washed up, overpaid) vets.

Rosas is no longer an employee of the Rockets, and he shouldn't be doing them favors at his own team's expense.

[Foye]

On the rumors of Rosas going after Tucker...

This feels like a trade in the NFL, where some former towel boy in New England becomes GM of a bottom feeder, and starts trading future assets for the Patriots grizzled (read: washed up, overpaid) vets.

Rosas is no longer an employee of the Rockets, and he shouldn't be doing them favors at his own team's expense.

I don't even understand why they would go after him. There are most definitely better players available in the D-League.

[shangrila]

On the rumors of Rosas going after Tucker...

This feels like a trade in the NFL, where some former towel boy in New England becomes GM of a bottom feeder, and starts trading future assets for the Patriots grizzled (read: washed up, overpaid) vets.

Rosas is no longer an employee of the Rockets, and he shouldn't be doing them favors at his own team's expense.

I'm not sure how this counts as a "favour", though I suppose it comes down to what any sort of deal ends up actually being.

If it costs Ed Davis and a 2nd or two then it's not much of a cost at all. Tucker is old but would still help us immensely. That's worth the cost. Now if you were to trade 1sts, McDaniels, Bolmaro or Nowell, then it's an overpay and would fit your analogy.

[Jedzz]

On the rumors of Rosas going after Tucker...

This feels like a trade in the NFL, where some former towel boy in New England becomes GM of a bottom feeder, and starts trading future assets for the Patriots grizzled (read: washed up, overpaid) vets.

Rosas is no longer an employee of the Rockets, and he shouldn't be doing them favors at his own team's expense.

I'm not sure how this counts as a "favour", though I suppose it comes down to what any sort of deal ends up actually being.

If it costs Ed Davis and a 2nd or two then it's not much of a cost at all. Tucker is old but would still help us immensely. That's worth the cost. Now if you were to trade 1sts, McDaniels, Bolmaro or Nowell, then it's an overpay and would fit your analogy.

The problem as I see it is the team is already short on future picks. There are other options that they don't have to trade for instead of looking for the smallest guy known capable of playing PF. Yes, he would help for the rest of this season. Then what? I agree about the guys you were talking about trading him for or not. Rosas already gave up a future second round pick for the Rubio trade.

[shangrila]

On the rumors of Rosas going after Tucker...

I'm not sure how this counts as a "favour", though I suppose it comes down to what any sort of deal ends up actually being.

If it costs Ed Davis and a 2nd or two then it's not much of a cost at all. Tucker is old but would still help us immensely. That's worth the cost. Now if you were to trade 1sts, McDaniels, Bolmaro or Nowell, then it's an overpay and would fit your analogy.

The problem as I see it is the team is already short on future picks. There are other options that they don't have to trade for instead of looking for the smallest guy known capable of playing PF. Yes, he would help for the rest of this season. Then what? I agree about the guys you were talking about trading him for or not. Rosas already gave up a future second round pick for the Rubio trade.

You say there are other options but I'm not sure there are. How many players that can shoot around 36% from 3 and provide good, versatile defence from the PF spot are available for potentially an expiring and a couple of 2nds?

[Jedzz]

I'm not sure how this counts as a "favour", though I suppose it comes down to what any sort of deal ends up actually being.

If it costs Ed Davis and a 2nd or two then it's not much of a cost at all. Tucker is old but would still help us immensely. That's worth the cost. Now if you were to trade 1sts, McDaniels, Bolmaro or Nowell, then it's an overpay and would fit your analogy.

The problem as I see it is the team is already short on future picks. There are other options that they don't have to trade for instead of looking for the smallest guy known capable of playing PF. Yes, he would help for the rest of this season. Then what? I agree about the guys you were talking about trading him for or not. Rosas already gave up a future second round pick for the Rubio trade.

You say there are other options but I'm not sure there are. How many players that can shoot around 36% from 3 and provide good, versatile defence from the PF spot are available for potentially an expiring and a couple of 2nds?

Well it depends where you are looking. If you are only looking at players available in the league...that limits things but I would bet they could speak to a few teams about players on benches not getting enough burn. The team is clearly overloaded on guards, make a move with that. Others have already brought up Cleveland's growing logjam. 100% I walk Justin Patton in the door for a 10 day right now. No picks needed for that. No concerns about cap. I march him onto the floor and see what happens. He absolutely can play the 4 next to Towns when Towns gets back if he shows doable during the 10 day. He can handle 4 or 5 while Towns is out. I don't know about shooting 36%, we'll have to see. But he can definitely hit open shots and he brings defense and passing like we don't often see from bigs. They asked him on draft day how he could play with Towns and he said as the 4 or 5 either way.

That's one guy. I'm sure there are probably 50 others that could play the 4 for this team that will cost us very little or nothing. Look through the G. The Wolves had someone else in the G last year that was interesting. I'm sure Rosas staff knows of some players. Time to bring them in. I don't know why anyone would wait. Maybe they have plans for around March already. But for now some things could be done. March is two months out.

[shangrila]

The problem as I see it is the team is already short on future picks. There are other options that they don't have to trade for instead of looking for the smallest guy known capable of playing PF. Yes, he would help for the rest of this season. Then what? I agree about the guys you were talking about trading him for or not. Rosas already gave up a future second round pick for the Rubio trade.

You say there are other options but I'm not sure there are. How many players that can shoot around 36% from 3 and provide good, versatile defence from the PF spot are available for potentially an expiring and a couple of 2nds?

Well it depends where you are looking. If you are only looking at players available in the league...that limits things but I would bet they could speak to a few teams about players on benches not getting enough burn. The team is clearly overloaded on guards, make a move with that. Others have already brought up Cleveland's growing logjam. 100% I walk Justin Patton in the door for a 10 day right now. No picks needed for that. No concerns about cap. I march him onto the floor and see what happens. He absolutely can play the 4 next to Towns when Towns gets back if he shows doable during the 10 day. He can handle 4 or 5 while Towns is out. I don't know about shooting 36%, we'll have to see. But he can definitely hit open shots and he brings defense and passing like we don't often see from bigs. They asked him on draft day how he could play with Towns and he said as the 4 or 5 either way.

That's one guy. I'm sure there are probably 50 others that could play the 4 for this team that will cost us very little or nothing. Look through the G. The Wolves had someone else in the G last year that was interesting. I'm sure Rosas staff knows of some players. Time to bring them in. I don't know why anyone would wait. Maybe they have plans for around March already. But for now some things could be done. March is two months out.

I don't agree that Patton can play the 4. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try but I just don't see it. As cover for Towns I'd definitely take a shot on him though.

As for combing the G League...currently there is no G League. Even if there was I'd rather the guaranteed consistency of a veteran like Tucker in this specific instance. We've got enough up and down performers as it stands.

[Jedzz]

I don't agree that Patton can play the 4. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try but I just don't see it. As cover for Towns I'd definitely take a shot on him though.

As for combing the G League...currently there is no G League. Even if there was I'd rather the guaranteed consistency of a veteran like Tucker in this specific instance. We've got enough up and down performers as it stands.

First, why don't you agree about Patton playing the 4? He seems perfect not just fitting next to Kat but being able to do both, play with him and also fill in during times like this without Towns, or eating up all Davis' minutes and just being a more versitile 3rd big. He's claimed he can defend 1-5 and his tape is showing it the more I see. He's another one of those kids that started as a short guard and then became a big. He's got gameIQ and extended skills. As said, how can a 10day deal and ingame tryout hurt? Anyone concerned about losing yet another? Anyone believe we are going to win many others the way things are going? Towns present predicament helps open the door for a ten day to get a good look during a couple games of what he looks like these days.

The G may not be playing but the players are all still there hoping it does somehow play. I believe Klomp just mentioned a team brought Patton in just recently. These players are attainable. I believe the Iowa Wolves lost a good forward to the Euro team this fall.

[Jedzz]

I'm excited about Vanderbilt. But he's still at 215 at 6-9.

Kevin Love used to get a lot more done in this league when he was 255-270. When he dropped all that weight he lost a lot of what he relied upon to hang in this league and when working inside.

Patton weighs in at 245-250 from what I seeing online. Those might be earlier number but not sure. You can tell from his rookie interview to 2019 videos and newer that he's grown up a bunch. He's 6-11 in shoes and can move like he's 6-8. I believe this is the opportunity and the timing. They say luck is all based on preparation and benig ready when the time is right.

[shangrila]

I don't agree that Patton can play the 4. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try but I just don't see it. As cover for Towns I'd definitely take a shot on him though.

As for combing the G League...currently there is no G League. Even if there was I'd rather the guaranteed consistency of a veteran like Tucker in this specific instance. We've got enough up and down performers as it stands.

First, why don't you agree about Patton playing the 4? He seems perfect not just fitting next to Kat but being able to do both, play with him and also fill in during times like this without Towns, or eating up all Davis' minutes and just being a more versitile 3rd big. He's claimed he can defend 1-5 and his tape is showing it the more I see. He's another one of those kids that started as a short guard and then became a big. He's got gameIQ and extended skills. As said, how can a 10day deal and ingame tryout hurt? Anyone concerned about losing yet another? Anyone believe we are going to win many others the way things are going? Towns present predicament helps open the door for a ten day to get a good look during a couple games of what he looks like these days. To me it seems like a firable event to not try someone like this on a 10day at minimum. Should have already happened, luckily Rosas doesn't work for me.

The G may not be playing but the players are all still there hoping it does somehow play. I believe Klomp just mentioned a team brought Patton in just recently. These players are attainable. I believe the Iowa Wolves lost a good forward to the Euro team this fall.

I don't think he has the mobility to play the 4 outside of specific matchups. There is a minimum amount you need to play that position and while that doesn't mean you have to be a small ball 4 or a 3 playing out of position, it does require more than guys like Patton, Towns or Wiseman have (to use some recent discussion examples). But as I said I'd certainly give him a try, even at the 4. I might not expect it to work but given how Juancho has played I think just about anyone else would be an upgrade. Hell, we could probably slot JMac in as the 2nd big and get more production out of the position. And given the NBA is apparently considering a 3rd 2-way contract I'd see no reason not to give it to him at minimum. Do that, sign RHJ back, maybe trade Davis+some 2nds for Tucker and suddenly the roster has some actual depth in the big slots without it costing much.

In terms of the G League, yes you could still sign guys from there. But it's hard to comb through them when they're not playing, nor have they been playing any sort of basketball since the pandemic. That's been tough for seasoned NBA vets let alone guys just getting their feet wet in the league. But, again, nothing at this point would really hurt us so why not?

[Jedzz]

I don't think he has the mobility to play the 4 outside of specific matchups. There is a minimum amount you need to play that position and while that doesn't mean you have to be a small ball 4 or a 3 playing out of position, it does require more than guys like Patton, Towns or Wiseman have (to use some recent discussion examples).

You know sometimes I notice people have made up their minds and aren't listening and haven't themselves looked into a player enough to believe anything someone else says. This may be one of those times. Patton doesn't move like a standard big. I woul suggest checking out how he plays. Wiseman for thatt matter maybe doesn't either. Towns carries lead weights at the bottom of his legs and stil gets around in big sweeping movements, but that's a big reason he's not quicker. These players are not the same just due to their heights. I know you enough by posting by now that you aren't that shallow. Maybe you have taken a look at Patton more than I think. But then we'll just have to strictly disagree.

But as I said I'd certainly give him a try, even at the 4. I might not expect it to work but given how Juancho has played I think just about anyone else would be an upgrade. Hell, we could probably slot JMac in as the 2nd big and get more production out of the position. And given the NBA is apparently considering a 3rd 2-way contract I'd see no reason not to give it to him at minimum. Do that, sign RHJ back, maybe trade Davis+some 2nds for Tucker and suddenly the roster has some actual depth in the big slots without it costing much.

I dont' see any point in logjamming it up. Patton, RHJ, Tucker all? Why? And why is paying RHJ or Tucker ok but now we need to Two-way someone like Patton? Geez man. I can't have this type of discussion again. You obviously hate the idea. We'll leave it there. I get it. No need to try and be nice about it. I'm kind of done being nice about the Wolves anyway. It's start being smarter and fix this thing time or they should get right out of the league already. So do the Tucker trade. Idc. Just do at least one something.

[Slim Tubby]

I don't think he has the mobility to play the 4 outside of specific matchups. There is a minimum amount you need to play that position and while that doesn't mean you have to be a small ball 4 or a 3 playing out of position, it does require more than guys like Patton, Towns or Wiseman have (to use some recent discussion examples).

You know sometimes I notice people have made up their minds and aren't listening and haven't themselves looked into a player enough to believe anything someone else says. This may be one of those times. Patton doesn't move like a standard big. I woul suggest checking out how he plays. Wiseman for thatt matter maybe doesn't either. Towns carries lead weights at the bottom of his legs and stil gets around in big sweeping movements, but that's a big reason he's not quicker. These players are not the same just due to their heights. I know you enough by posting by now that you aren't that shallow. Maybe you have taken a look at Patton more than I think. But then we'll just have to strictly disagree.

But as I said I'd certainly give him a try, even at the 4. I might not expect it to work but given how Juancho has played I think just about anyone else would be an upgrade. Hell, we could probably slot JMac in as the 2nd big and get more production out of the position. And given the NBA is apparently considering a 3rd 2-way contract I'd see no reason not to give it to him at minimum. Do that, sign RHJ back, maybe trade Davis+some 2nds for Tucker and suddenly the roster has some actual depth in the big slots without it costing much.

I dont' see any point in logjamming it up. Patton, RHJ, Tucker all? Why? And why is paying RHJ or Tucker ok but now we need to Two-way someone like Patton? Geez man. I can't have this type of discussion again. You obviously hate the idea. We'll leave it there. I get it. No need to try and be nice about it. I'm kind of done being nice about the Wolves anyway. It's start being smarter and fix this thing time or they should get right out of the league already. So do the Tucker trade. Idc. Just do at least one something.

At this point, I’d even settle for General Patton or Patton Oswald.


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