sunskerr wrote:Kerrsed wrote:sunskerr wrote:LOL I am not giving you anything shiny for a 35 year old on his worst year yet who is posting 6th round value which is not top 50 obviously. Look at my team. I wouldn't even be keeping Paul at the end of the year. I literally can't. I even sent you a PM requesting that we work something out if you didn't like that. Heck I also offered Okoro a 19 year old rookie who is being given 30+ minutes a night and a starting spot in addition to Bane but apparently that's too little as well to even begin negotiating so don't misrepresent my intentions/offers.
6th round?!?
Thats season stats, and he is #53 on the season, and thats with the Suns missing their past 2 games, leaving him 2 games behind others. 16 teams in the league, so that would place him firmly in the 4th round if my math is correct. As i stated, im fine keeping the old man who is having his worst year (@ #53 on the season by the way) rather than taking on 2 more rookies who wont be providing squat this year and who i very easily could pick up next year after you drop them for nothing (Which i wont because i have my own 2 rookies to worry about).
I also didnt ask for anything shiny, i didnt even send you a counteroffer, just rejected yours, because i know there really is no deal there to be made. Do you have players i have interest in? Yeah, of course. Do i see one that i think i could net with CP3 by himself? Nope. You already mentioned you didnt have interest in Lebron when we talked back in December, we had the framework laid out for another trade that you said you wanted to wait on which went nowhere. Im just saying and stand by with what i said, i have already turned down better offers for him, i have 2 rookies that i believe will have better fantasy careers and am not willing to take on 2 more, taking up 4 roster spots that i will now have to dedicate to these guys for the next 3 years to see if any of them pan out. Its just not worth it for me. Im fine keeping him, or packaging him along with another player like Lebron or Lopez or Whoever for a single younger player that already has established he has talent. Im good with my options.
If you are using Yahoo rankings then there is a disconnect in the way we value players, because I use basketballmonster for in season ranks. And Paul doesn't crack the top 50 per game or total stats for the year. I dont know how yahoo gets their player rankings (do they even calculate them?) so I don't know about their reliability.
That previous deal we had the framework for fell through because the player I wanted hasn't been near the value of the guy I was offering.
I disagree on your rookies being more valuable than Deni and Okoro. Mine already have paths to minutes and are starters that have shown they can handle their minutes- particularly in Deni's case. But if you want to gamble on him being available on draft day then be my guest, because there are 15 other teams, including my own, that will probably take a long look at him and Okoro early on in the draft.
Just so you can see it from my point of view, because I'm not trying to rip you off or anything, but my team is trying to compete right now so I can't give up any producing players. I targeted Paul because he's old af and it wouldn't kill me that I can't keep him, particularly because he's getting older and blah blah age decline blah. I figured, hey, this guy wants to get younger, I'll give him some rookies that have shown something (and are starting!!!!!!) and maybe I'll secure the season.
Again, I'm not trying to rip you off, but this is my thought process.
Yahoo takes the league your in and modifies the rankings accordingly. So it shows the rankings for a Roto League and 8 category scoring, as opposed to most ranking sites that use the default 9 category rankings. If you click on your team (Or anybody's team) and click right above the list of players where it says "2020-21 Season" it gives you the players stats on the year and where they rank in the Yahoo scoring system so far for the season. So i dont know about Basketballmonster or how they rank players or if the setting are correct on the list you are reading from, but the league is in Yahoo and i trust Yahoo to give me the correct ratings seemingly how its based on the exact scoring categories that are set-up for our league. If you check
https://hashtagbasketball.com/fantasy-basketball-rankings, uncheck Turnovers (Because we dont count them) and change it from Per Game to Total (So you get where they stand on the total season), it shows the exact same as what Yahoo shows.
And yeah, i get where you are coming from with they 2 rookies, but look at it from my side, i already have 2 rookies, adding 2 more (Both guys that i passed on for Lewis/Vassell by the way), would make HALF of my keepers are guys that need major development time. I also researched the rookies before i chose the two i did, and i still stick with my decision. Yeah, Okoro is starting and getting 36 minutes a game, but he is playing like crap. Somehow Vassell is out preforming him in his 16 MPG with the Spurs. I got Lewis on the bench, this isnt his year and has only played like a total of 25 minutes in 4 games this season, but i think he has the talent to be great, he's just stuck on a team with Ball and Bledsoe....2 guys that i could see being on the move sooner or later. So yeah, while i want to get younger, adding 2 more rookies isnt the way to go (Not even mentioning that im taking back more players thus forcing me to drop yet another player in the process). I'd rather just package multiple players for a single player in return.
No hard feelings i just thought it was funny that this past week i have had around 4 different offers for CP3 alone, and he has been productive for me (High percentages, high amount of assists and steals), and then i see that one of the two players you offered for me was just outright dropped from your team a day after i said no. Im sure you or anyone else would have found it funny if they were in the same situation.
The 1-10 **** like last night is killing me. I might have underestimated how negative that was going to be for my squad. Now hopefully Kemba coming back helps that a little. 
