knicks cavs PG - start up the tank

[spree2kawhi]

Maybe Randle HAS to be kept but I am wondering about his value at this point. Jrue Holiday got a boatload of picks. Randle would seem to demand the same no? Holiday a better track record and longer but not that many bigs who can put up points the way Randle is. And they come with rebounds and assists.

Holiday is a complete basketball player, always under control. Plays both ends, smart, top level talent.

Randle 4 TO, 0.2 bpg, suspect range still ...

If you can get a top 20 frp in 2021 for him you do it imo.

I'm also trading him for Siakam without any hesitation, but thinking this through, you realize Randle's actual value: Toronto would never do that and Siakam isn't even a return that blows you away these days.

[spree2kawhi]

Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch

[FKF]

Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch

This lineup doesn’t win any games. Not sure how you can move forward if these boys go 0-60 the rest of the way.
Frank isn’t healthy - and I’m the most disappointed by his injuries - and tbh, this lineup only includes one starter caliber player (RJ).

IQ will be a good spark off the bench but he doesn’t really look for teammates. Knox can only catch and shoot.
Obi/Mitch is a terrible front court. Defensively gets pushed around, offensively hurts the rim.

[1999]

Only thing to take from this game is that when the bench was in they were actually fun to watch. I really like how Knox has been playing. I don’t like that RJ never plays with the “youth”. Thibs needs to either mix and match lineups more or just bench guys like Payton and bullock. It’s clear as day that Randle has to go. He’s played great but is he really a part of the future? What’s the point?


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[iLLmatic860]

Only thing to take from this game is that when the bench was in they were actually fun to watch. I really like how Knox has been playing. I don’t like that RJ never plays with the “youth”. Thibs needs to either mix and match lineups more or just bench guys like Payton and bullock. It’s clear as day that Randle has to go. He’s played great but is he really a part of the future? What’s the point?


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Just let him put up his numbers. There has to be a playoff team that can use him. Lets try to get atleast 2 picks for him

[dakomish23]

RJB

7-12 FG 2-4 3PT 4-4 FT
20 pts 4 rebs 3 asts 2 blks

Just last game ppl were screaming he’s a bust / he sucks till he finished with a strong second half. Maybe, just maybe, you should have some patience with a kid who isn’t old enough to buy a beer.

Hopefully mgmt sees the positives and isn’t so shortsighted

Randle Island remains better than I could have ever hoped for. That dunk was something

[Thepaintismine]

Caught the first half of the Quick and boy does he make a big difference when he is out there.
Would like to see Quick replace Payton and Knox replace Bullock, in the starting lineup.
RJ will play better to boot. Mitch will get better looks. Randle can just keep being what he has become (and be more efficient at it.)

[thebuzzardman]

Quickley was not so Brickley tonight. Force a few outside shots, made a questionable decision or two driving, but really good game.

Of course, Payton will start the next game and play the majority of minutes. With his running partner Bullocks.

Quickley was also playing Dptson at point guard. I mean Jesus Andre Drummond was handling the ball for them ... successfully.

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True. Payton should be getting 44 mpg. He's the best.

[thebuzzardman]

Let's see how Buzztrodamus did on this:

Even with that lineup, how many more 3's do the Cavs make over the Knicks, and how much better a % do they shoot them at?

I say...22 made 3's to the Knicks 13 - so +9
and
22/45 attempts - .488, to the Knicks 13/40 - .325

Lets see how accurate. I know it's a lot of 3's by the Cavs which Sexton/Garland hurt, but I figure Dotson, Osman, Okuro will be open all game, so they'll take about 8 each. Random scrubs we never heard of will take the other 21, along with Nance taking a few, Drummond taking a couple etc.

Knicks: 9-25, 36%
Cavs: 9-27, 33%

Buzztrodamus, like the Knicks, sucks.

[thebuzzardman]

So, what's a realistic trade for Zach LaVine that doesn't treadmill the team by trading away too much?

I don't think there is one.

Randle and the Mav's 2021?
I don't think the Bulls have any use for Randle. How soon could he traded FROM the Bulls?
- Where the Bulls double down on a return, getting the pick from the Knicks and then flip Randle again for something. Just speculation

Obviously, this really doesn't make the Knicks better, hurts frontcourt depth, removes their best (for what it's worth) player, but it does add a quality 2/3 with some secondary/tertiary PG skills.

And since the Knicks struggle to find any one guard/wing on any night that can score consistently, at least LaVine would provide that, while RJ and Quickley have their inconsistent scoring nights, consistent with young 2nd and 1st year players who are decent.

Don't think there is a path to LaVine unless the Bulls wanted to clear cap space, which not sure they do.

[Buttah304]

Maybe Randle HAS to be kept but I am wondering about his value at this point. Jrue Holiday got a boatload of picks. Randle would seem to demand the same no? Holiday a better track record and longer but not that many bigs who can put up points the way Randle is. And they come with rebounds and assists.

Holiday is a complete basketball player, always under control. Plays both ends, smart, top level talent.

Randle 4 TO, 0.2 bpg, suspect range still ...

If you can get a top 20 frp in 2021 for him you do it imo.

I'm also trading him for Siakam without any hesitation, but thinking this through, you realize Randle's actual value: Toronto would never do that and Siakam isn't even a return that blows you away these days.

No offense but Jrue Holiday is and always has been one of the most overrated players in the league. Don’t get me wrong I get why he’s a damn good player. Seems to have a high IQ, was always a good defender, can organize an offense and score at a relatively impressive clip. But for all of that he’s never truly elevated any team that he has been on. He had one run with AD where they won 47 games and swept Portland Round 1 (4-0). But he doesn’t move the needle. His 15-5-5 is exactly what Bledsoe did for The Bucks (albeit Holiday is a better player). But trading 3 unprotected picks for him was laughable. Bucks are a very good regular season team no doubt, but this idea that Holiday takes that team to another level is false hope to me. Randle in a million years would never get that type of haul, but trading a 26 year old averaging 23-11-7 on 50% FG with improved man to man defense for a pick in the 20s is just poor asset management. I’m all in support of getting as many draft picks as possible. But 31 year old Marcus Morris shouldn’t fetch you the same assets as a guy in Randle who is hitting his prime.

[DaGawd]

Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch

This lineup doesn’t win any games. Not sure how you can move forward if these boys go 0-60 the rest of the way.
Frank isn’t healthy - and I’m the most disappointed by his injuries - and tbh, this lineup only includes one starter caliber player (RJ).

IQ will be a good spark off the bench but he doesn’t really look for teammates. Knox can only catch and shoot.
Obi/Mitch is a terrible front court. Defensively gets pushed around, offensively hurts the rim.

Facts. I get people want to see all the youngsters play all 48 but if we were to seriously go out there with this lineup for the rest of the season they very well could lose every single game... which is not great for their development or mental

[TheGreenArrow]

You have to trade Randle by the the trade deadline.

Obi can’t be playing so sparingly.

Randle has to go!!!!!!

Obi is trash.

How would we truly know when he barely plays??

That has to change so we can make an honest assessment!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

You have to trade Randle by the the trade deadline.

Obi can’t be playing so sparingly.

Randle has to go!!!!!!

Obi is trash.

How would we truly know when he barely plays??

That has to change so we can make an honest assessment!!!!

Literally you last night

Obi doesn’t look the part folks!!!!!!!!!

[DaGawd]

Obi is trash.

How would we truly know when he barely plays??

That has to change so we can make an honest assessment!!!!

Literally you last night

Obi doesn’t look the part folks!!!!!!!!!

That man is the master of flip flop lol

[prophet_of_rage]

Is it me, or do we play Cleveland 8 times a year?

It's the pre season games.

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[NowWHYcee7]

You have to trade Randle by the the trade deadline.

Obi can’t be playing so sparingly.

Randle has to go!!!!!!

Obi is trash.

How would we truly know when he barely plays??

That has to change so we can make an honest assessment!!!!

I could be wrong, but I can just tell. I have no idea why we drafted this guy. We need a PG and/or shooting at the wings but we decide to draft an unskilled energy player who is already 22 years old.

[prophet_of_rage]

Have our lottery picks sucked or is it that the Knicks have no plan to develop their lottery picks

Both.

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