Around the League: 2020 Offseason

[Kobblehead]

I wonder if the Pelicans are going to look to trade Lonzo Ball with how well NAW has been playing.

I don't get why Lloyd is so down on NAW. He was so clearly a fantastic prospect and is obviously going to be a fantastic NBA player. He was a no-brainer.

[youngcrev]

I wonder if the Pelicans are going to look to trade Lonzo Ball with how well NAW has been playing.

Why not play them together? Seems like they'd compliment each other well.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them deal Ball regardless if they don't want to pay him.

[Negrodamus]

I wonder if the Pelicans are going to look to trade Lonzo Ball with how well NAW has been playing.

Why not play them together? Seems like they'd compliment each other well.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them deal Ball regardless if they don't want to pay him.

Certainly possible. Between Bledsoe, NAW, Ball, Redick, Hart, Lewis, I feel they have a ton of guards that deserve playing time, but a few will not see as much time when Ball returns. NAW's minutes were a bit erratic in the early going of the season and has only recently received consistent starter minutes.

With Lonzo on his final year, I could see them testing the market. I'd consider him for maybe Thybulle.

[youngcrev]

I wonder if the Pelicans are going to look to trade Lonzo Ball with how well NAW has been playing.

Why not play them together? Seems like they'd compliment each other well.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them deal Ball regardless if they don't want to pay him.

Certainly possible. Between Bledsoe, NAW, Ball, Redick, Hart, Lewis, I feel they have a ton of guards that deserve playing time, but a few will not see as much time when Ball returns. NAW's minutes were a bit erratic in the early going of the season and has only recently received consistent starter minutes.

With Lonzo on his final year, I could see them testing the market. I'd consider him for maybe Thybulle.

I don't really see the fit here (unless we're making a Simmons for Beal type deal).

[Negrodamus]

Why not play them together? Seems like they'd compliment each other well.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them deal Ball regardless if they don't want to pay him.

Certainly possible. Between Bledsoe, NAW, Ball, Redick, Hart, Lewis, I feel they have a ton of guards that deserve playing time, but a few will not see as much time when Ball returns. NAW's minutes were a bit erratic in the early going of the season and has only recently received consistent starter minutes.

With Lonzo on his final year, I could see them testing the market. I'd consider him for maybe Thybulle.

I don't really see the fit here (unless we're making a Simmons for Beal type deal).

I mean, you're tempting me with a good time in that scenario. But I see more of an off ball role playing opportunity for Ball over Thybulle who is going to forever be limited on offense.

[youngcrev]

Certainly possible. Between Bledsoe, NAW, Ball, Redick, Hart, Lewis, I feel they have a ton of guards that deserve playing time, but a few will not see as much time when Ball returns. NAW's minutes were a bit erratic in the early going of the season and has only recently received consistent starter minutes.

With Lonzo on his final year, I could see them testing the market. I'd consider him for maybe Thybulle.

I don't really see the fit here (unless we're making a Simmons for Beal type deal).

I mean, you're tempting me with a good time in that scenario. But I see more of an off ball role playing opportunity for Ball over Thybulle who is going to forever be limited on offense.

Oh, I mean, he'd absolutely be more useful than Thybulle (mainly just because he's a much better player). I just don't think he really fits what we should be looking for to complement what we have (crappy shooter/scorer, and Ben already does the unique stuff he's good at), and given the role he'd have I can't imagine there'd be mutual interest in retaining him.

I feel like he'd be good next to a high usage, scoring 2 like Booker or Mitchell, where he can just distribute, defend and get out in transition.

[Kobblehead]

Redick, Ball, and Hart are all set to expire. All three should be moved at the deadline.

[76ciology]

Hot take:
After what the Nets did and how we’re playing, Giannis will ask to be traded,but not earlier than after this season.

We’ll be in the mix.

Why set your franchise back a decade in regards to draft capitol for a guy that has to get parked in the dunker's spot in the playoffs?

The only way I'd ruin my team's future for a pseudo-creator known more for his all-around play like Giannis is if I already had a star scorer on the ball.

Teams like Atlanta with Trae, Dallas with Luka, Cleveland with Collin, OKC with Shai, Sacramento with Fox, Utah with Mitchell, etc.

Maxey can run the two man game with Giannis while Biid hangs at the mid range like how he’s doing right now.

[Kobblehead]

Hot take:
After what the Nets did and how we’re playing, Giannis will ask to be traded,but not earlier than after this season.

We’ll be in the mix.

Why set your franchise back a decade in regards to draft capitol for a guy that has to get parked in the dunker's spot in the playoffs?

The only way I'd ruin my team's future for a pseudo-creator known more for his all-around play like Giannis is if I already had a star scorer on the ball.

Teams like Atlanta with Trae, Dallas with Luka, Cleveland with Collin, OKC with Shai, Sacramento with Fox, Utah with Mitchell, etc.

Maxey can run the two man game with Giannis while Biid hangs at the mid range like how he’s doing right now.

But why sell the farm for a guy that can't be the creator? I think that's a questionable use of assets.

If I'm giving up 4+ first rounders and 3+ pick swaps, I shouldn't have to depend on Maxey and Milton to be the man on the ball in the playoffs. The guy I gave up all those assets for should be the guy I lean on.

[youngcrev]

Lol

[Kobblehead]

Lol

Is that a delayed response to your own post about Oladipo being back to what he was pre-injury?

[youngcrev]

Lol

Is that a delayed response to your own post about Oladipo being back to what he was pre-injury?

Nope

[Kobblehead]

lmao

[Kobblehead]

Jrue Holiday was a bad gamble by the bucks.

Offensively, he’s in the same tier as guys like Tobi. What makes him good is his 2 way ability. His defense? Who cares. Doncic still goes at him down the stretch. Doncic got 28pts on 24 shots:

They emptied their clip. They don’t have much assets to make a jump. Then you look at the Nets F’n up the competition and making them obsolete.

The right move for the Bucks was trading Middleton and all that picks for someone like Harden, Beal or Lavine. Then trade Bledsoe and Hill for fit and glue guys to make it work.

Honestly, Jrue looks like a much more lateral move from Bledsoe then I bet they were anticipating. There's still a chance that he turns it on in the playoffs, I suppose. Jrue's a better personality in the lockerroom, at least, I guess.

[youngcrev]

I imagine it's moreso that Bledsoe complete fell apart every year in the playoffs and became a liability for them, and they wanted someone that help them carry over what they do in the regular season to the postseason. It's not like there was much room to grow over what they were already doing in the regular season. They've had the best record in the league the last 2 years.

[76ciology]

Jrue Holiday was a bad gamble by the bucks.

Offensively, he’s in the same tier as guys like Tobi. What makes him good is his 2 way ability. His defense? Who cares. Doncic still goes at him down the stretch. Doncic got 28pts on 24 shots:

They emptied their clip. They don’t have much assets to make a jump. Then you look at the Nets F’n up the competition and making them obsolete.

The right move for the Bucks was trading Middleton and all that picks for someone like Harden, Beal or Lavine. Then trade Bledsoe and Hill for fit and glue guys to make it work.

Honestly, Jrue looks like a much more lateral move from Bledsoe then I bet they were anticipating. There's still a chance that he turns it on in the playoffs, I suppose. Jrue's a better personality in the lockerroom, at least, I guess.

Either Giannis went into a bad impersonation of “GM LeBron” or Bucks were just in serious panic mode and just do deals for the sake of re-signing Giannis.

Jrue is clearly a lateral move. You can’t just give Jrue the ball and let him run the offense. I dont even know if leting Jrue run the offense is better than Middleton running a 2 man game. Bucks are in a better shape with Maxey or Milton running their offense than Jrue.

They need someone more talented on offense than Middleton and Giannis, Jrue is just isnt that.

Another thing that is going on the horizon is Brolo is declining. And we know that this gig created by Bud for Giannis relies with Brolo. Brolo forces bigs to step out and make Giannis’ life easier in the paint.

With the Nets making a leap, it’s just a bad position to be slipping. And i dont think Bucks can ever recover and be back as being the top team in the east.

..and if Giannis is serious in winning, i expect him to ask for a trade.

[Kobblehead]

I liked Bledsoe/Middleton and I like Holiday/Middleton.

What I don't like is all the obligation possessions Giannis demands as a pseudo creator.

I feel like he stymies everything Milwaukee wants to do because he thinks he's a better on-ball player than he actually is.

[Kobblehead]

Mason Jones balling.

[Negrodamus]

Harden: 32
Durant: 42

Uh oh

[76ciology]

Do you guys think Kyrie will be OK with what the Nets did? He’s likely to slide into third option behind KD and Harden while waiting for his turn behind these two who are on their last years.

Remember that Kyrie asks to be traded from the Cavs because he doesnt want to play as no.2 to Bron. Now, he’s playing the no.3 role.

I was listening to Chris Haynes’ podcast. He is close to KD. Sounds like KD didnt thought Kyrie was this crazy. Some executive told his guest that Kyrie is acting like his season with the Celts when he asks to be out the next season.

And last, do you guys think Kyrie being out played a big factor with the Nets handing out the godfather package to the Rockets? If Kyrie was healthy and Nets were winning, would they feel a need offer 7 years of draft control to do the trade?