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Is RJ Barrett a bust?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#561 » by SmoothLefty21 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:05 pm

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“Random numbers but again we need to put our young guys in their best positions . Take Zion for example. So far he's only at 58% finishing at the rim (RJ is at 55% rn). However Zion is taking over 70% of his shots at the rim, 95% from 0-10 FT. Meanwhile RJ is only getting 40% of his looks at the rim and under 60% from 0-10 Ft (lower % than payton).”

Imagine if we had Zion and decided to move him away form his comfort zone to accommodate Elfrid Payton or someone? How bad would that look for us.


Well, teams do play defense in the NBA. It's not exactly easy to get shots at the rim in this league, that is part of what makes elite players elite. Zion is the strongest and one of the most athletic players out there. Barrett is an average (and that might be generous) NBA athlete. He struggles to beat his man off the dribble, slow first step, etc. Sure, we can run more stuff to try to get him shots at the rim, but he will never be in the same vicinity as someone like Zion when it comes to shots at the rim.

This is like complaining that we didn't get Novak more 3PA in the 2013 postseason. He simply wasn't good enough to get them, even within the offense.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#562 » by BugginOut » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:06 pm

SmoothLefty21 wrote:
BugginOut wrote:Took from Reddit:

“Random numbers but again we need to put our young guys in their best positions . Take Zion for example. So far he's only at 58% finishing at the rim (RJ is at 55% rn). However Zion is taking over 70% of his shots at the rim, 95% from 0-10 FT. Meanwhile RJ is only getting 40% of his looks at the rim and under 60% from 0-10 Ft (lower % than payton).”

Imagine if we had Zion and decided to move him away form his comfort zone to accommodate Elfrid Payton or someone? How bad would that look for us.


Well, teams do play defense in the NBA. It's not exactly easy to get shots at the rim in this league, that is part of what makes elite players elite. Zion is the strongest and one of the most athletic players out there. Barrett is an average (and that might be generous) NBA athlete. He struggles to beat his man off the dribble, slow first step, etc. Sure, we can run more stuff to try to get him shots at the rim, but he will never be in the same vicinity as someone like Zion when it comes to shots at the rim.

This is like complaining that we didn't get Novak more 3PA in the 2013 postseason. He simply wasn't good enough to get them, even within the offense.

I don’t know why people say RJ is an “average” athlete. He’s not a skywalker but he is above average for his position in lift and strength.

After last night he is shooting now 57% on the rim though only 45% of his shots there are assisted. In comparison Zion shoots 58% at the rim and 65% of his shots are assisted.

So RJ is efficient at creating his own shot and getting to the rim especially in the P&R and in transition where his playmaking shines. The problem is with our lack of spacing he doesn’t get as many opportunities to attack the paint.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#563 » by TheProfessor » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:58 pm

BugginOut wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:
BugginOut wrote:Took from Reddit:

“Random numbers but again we need to put our young guys in their best positions . Take Zion for example. So far he's only at 58% finishing at the rim (RJ is at 55% rn). However Zion is taking over 70% of his shots at the rim, 95% from 0-10 FT. Meanwhile RJ is only getting 40% of his looks at the rim and under 60% from 0-10 Ft (lower % than payton).”

Imagine if we had Zion and decided to move him away form his comfort zone to accommodate Elfrid Payton or someone? How bad would that look for us.


Well, teams do play defense in the NBA. It's not exactly easy to get shots at the rim in this league, that is part of what makes elite players elite. Zion is the strongest and one of the most athletic players out there. Barrett is an average (and that might be generous) NBA athlete. He struggles to beat his man off the dribble, slow first step, etc. Sure, we can run more stuff to try to get him shots at the rim, but he will never be in the same vicinity as someone like Zion when it comes to shots at the rim.

This is like complaining that we didn't get Novak more 3PA in the 2013 postseason. He simply wasn't good enough to get them, even within the offense.

I don’t know why people say RJ is an “average” athlete. He’s not a skywalker but he is above average for his position in lift and strength.

After last night he is shooting now 57% on the rim though only 45% of his shots there are assisted. In comparison Zion shoots 58% at the rim and 65% of his shots are assisted.

So RJ is efficient at creating his own shot and getting to the rim especially in the P&R and in transition where his playmaking shines. The problem is with our lack of spacing he doesn’t get as many opportunities to attack the paint.

RJ is an "average" nba athlete, but he is athletic. Your correct RJ has big hops and is strong for his position, unfortunately does skills are useful if your a 5, not a 2/3. You need agility, fluidity and quickness in the NBA. RJ has medicore /subpar quickness, decent fluidity and isn't agile. His acceleration isn't great, change of direction same thing. He has that Rudy gay minus the size/Derozan athletism, which doesn't translate well.

Also the Knicks need to trade RJ, I dont see anyway he is successful as a Knick. He needs to play with talent,and he needs his role reduced. I don't think the knicks can provide that (Vet talent), nor should they (they should be tanking).

I would really like to see a RJ in BKN/Tor/Portland.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#564 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:26 pm

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prophet_of_rage wrote:
BugginOut wrote:Took from Reddit:

“Random numbers but again we need to put our young guys in their best positions . Take Zion for example. So far he's only at 58% finishing at the rim (RJ is at 55% rn). However Zion is taking over 70% of his shots at the rim, 95% from 0-10 FT. Meanwhile RJ is only getting 40% of his looks at the rim and under 60% from 0-10 Ft (lower % than payton).”

Imagine if we had Zion and decided to move him away form his comfort zone to accommodate Elfrid Payton or someone? How bad would that look for us.
Are you going to say this when Quickley gets a higher percentage of shots in the paint?

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Say what, that Payton destroys spacing? Yeah I am. Though RJ made some jumpshots, notice how when RJ plays more minutes with Quickley he can actually get to the rim and make some layups. Even Quickley is playing better without Payton on the floor as the two PG lineup Thibs was going with the past couple of games didn’t work, cause Payton’s lack of a jumpsuit clogged the lane for Quick’s floater game.

And even though I love Quick, he isn’t going to shoot a higher percentage than RJ in the paint cause he can’t get to the rim and that floater is only so effective.
No, are we going to complain about Quickley shooting a higher percentage in the paint?

RJ is aided by Quickley being on the floor because they are going up against second units.

Since RJ plays nearly the entire game it really skews what his stats mean in different lineups.

Not saying Payton is great. He is a placeholder, but his impact on RJ is very overstated for a player with RJ's weaknesses. Considerong he can't shoot it is a tough argument that other players are clogging the lane when his own defender sags into the paint.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#565 » by Billy Goat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:50 pm

He's trending that way. Shooting is rarely developed at the NBA level. He needed more time in college...hated the pick from the jump.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#566 » by Galou » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:36 pm

No matter how many stats y'all post
Essays y'all write
And over analyzing things y'all spew

I have to remind myself to give y'all nerds some gills
Gimme mines

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Post#567 » by cgf » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:42 pm

Billy Goat wrote:He's trending that way. Shooting is rarely developed at the NBA level. He needed more time in college...hated the pick from the jump.


That's definitely not influencing your assessment of him at all :lol:
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Post#568 » by Billy Goat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:20 pm

cgf wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:He's trending that way. Shooting is rarely developed at the NBA level. He needed more time in college...hated the pick from the jump.


That's definitely not influencing your assessment of him at all :lol:


Ha well unfortunately my doubts on him as a player are all coming to light.
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Post#569 » by cgf » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:23 pm

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cgf wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:He's trending that way. Shooting is rarely developed at the NBA level. He needed more time in college...hated the pick from the jump.


That's definitely not influencing your assessment of him at all :lol:


Ha well unfortunately my doubts on him as a player are all coming to light.

Sure they are.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#570 » by BugginOut » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:59 pm

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I don't know how anyone can say RJ is a bust. He's an all around player already and he is only 20 years old. He does little things every game to make sure the team wins.

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Yeah he won't be consistent all season, but I don't know how you can doubt the potential. The shooting will come, just look at the leaps he made with his FTs. 7-8 tonight. He didn't have a single game last year where he missed more than 2 FTs while shooting 8 or more FTA. RJ is going to be alright.
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Post#571 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:23 pm

BugginOut wrote:
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I don't know how anyone can say RJ is a bust. He's an all around player already and he is only 20 years old. He does little things every game to make sure the team wins.

Read on Twitter

Yeah he won't be consistent all season, but I don't know how you can doubt the potential. The shooting will come, just look at the leaps he made with his FTs. 7-8 tonight. He didn't have a single game last year where he missed more than 2 FTs while shooting 8 or more FTA. RJ is going to be alright.


Yep! Been talking about this for a while. RJB has mastered the whip across to the corner 3 pass out of the PnR. Usually with the left to the right corner
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Post#572 » by F N 11 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:37 pm

All haters stfu he’s 20. 3 straight solid games on yall heads.
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Post#573 » by 8516knicks » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:39 pm

Thinking RJ's a coming star off this one game is like saying we're 30 pts better than the Celtics and thus every other NBA East team. It's a long season. Let's see where he stands at the end. Still more likely to be the Sam Darnold of the Knicks.
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Post#574 » by iLLmatic860 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:43 pm

I love what I'm seeing from RJ. I thought this thread would get to him but nothing seems to break him.

I hope he retires a Knick
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Post#575 » by cgf » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:46 pm

8516knicks wrote:Thinking RJ's a coming star off this one game is like saying we're 30 pts better than the Celtics and thus every other NBA East team. It's a long season. Let's see where he stands at the end. Still more likely to be the Sam Darnold of the Knicks.

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Post#576 » by jwise44 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:01 pm

He’s one of my favorite players in the league, I haven’t been able to watch a ton of knicks games this season, but I saw last game and looks like this game from his numbers (he’s on all my fantasy teams) that he played well again

It seems like he’s trending right after a great first game then horrible slump, am I correct in assuming that?
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Post#577 » by KOA » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:24 am

jwise44 wrote:He’s one of my favorite players in the league, I haven’t been able to watch a ton of knicks games this season, but I saw last game and looks like this game from his numbers (he’s on all my fantasy teams) that he played well again

It seems like he’s trending right after a great first game then horrible slump, am I correct in assuming that?


That's accurate. Knicks fans like to overrate mediocre prospects and undervalue their actual talent.
As the 3rd overall pick behind Zion and JMo, the Knicks expected RJ to be a superstar right out of the gate. His inconsistent shooting has held him back, but there is absolutely no question he has been improving leaps and bounds and still has tremendous potential.
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Post#578 » by YouthMovement » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:28 am

KOA wrote:
jwise44 wrote:He’s one of my favorite players in the league, I haven’t been able to watch a ton of knicks games this season, but I saw last game and looks like this game from his numbers (he’s on all my fantasy teams) that he played well again

It seems like he’s trending right after a great first game then horrible slump, am I correct in assuming that?


That's accurate. Knicks fans like to overrate mediocre prospects and undervalue their actual talent.
As the 3rd overall pick behind Zion and JMo, the Knicks expected RJ to be a superstar right out of the gate. His inconsistent shooting has held him back, but there is absolutely no question he has been improving leaps and bounds and still has tremendous potential.


i didn't expect that at all. i just didn't expect him to be a career sub 40% shooter at this point in his career. i like the way he's played the last few games.
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Post#579 » by DrCoach » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:29 am

I wonder how he compares to Jaylen Brown..Both #3 picks
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Post#580 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:17 am

jwise44 wrote:He’s one of my favorite players in the league, I haven’t been able to watch a ton of knicks games this season, but I saw last game and looks like this game from his numbers (he’s on all my fantasy teams) that he played well again

It seems like he’s trending right after a great first game then horrible slump, am I correct in assuming that?



That's a pretty fair assessment. He's been great in 7 of our 14 games. The thing is when he's been good, he's been great but when he's bad, he's been horrible. He went on like 2 stretches of missing like 18 3's in a row or something and had a couple games where he was like 4-18. Which really has skewed his overall numbers. It was really only a matter of a time before the jumper came around. With the massive improvement on the free throws, I couldn't imagine that his jumper being that bad for the entire season.
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