Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[bucknersrevenge]

Kings should tank. I would also be willing to give up one of Langford or Nesmith plus our first this year. I went to the Kings board and one of their posters had proposed trading Barnes for McDermott, Lamb and a 2nd round pick so at least some of their fans are thinking about moving him.

The magic players all make sense but Barnes is better than all of them plus he has that championship experience.

Agreed.The Kings are still in the "talent accumulation" phase and considering that they just extended Fox (and rightly so), they should keep other costs down while trying to add young talent. They're still a terrible team. Why pay Barnes for the next 3 years when right now, there's no current path to playoff contention? Boston would be doing the Kings a favor by giving them a reset on Barnes who hasn't had the impact they hoped he would have.

Hope that he's on the table. Would trade 2 firsts, the TPE and maybe 1 young guy for him. Cost will probably be high, but it does seem that the trade costs for decent players lately have been outrageous, so 2 firsts probably makes sense.

That would probably be too expensive for my blood. Maybe 1 first and like Carsen Edwards or something. Their benefit to this deal is the free agency reset for a bad team and the opportunity to re enter the market again no longer having to pay him for 3 years. We're getting a good player but we're also doing them a solid by eliminating 3 years of cost. I'm not overpaying for that.

[MagicBagley18]

Agreed.The Kings are still in the "talent accumulation" phase and considering that they just extended Fox (and rightly so), they should keep other costs down while trying to add young talent. They're still a terrible team. Why pay Barnes for the next 3 years when right now, there's no current path to playoff contention? Boston would be doing the Kings a favor by giving them a reset on Barnes who hasn't had the impact they hoped he would have.

Hope that he's on the table. Would trade 2 firsts, the TPE and maybe 1 young guy for him. Cost will probably be high, but it does seem that the trade costs for decent players lately have been outrageous, so 2 firsts probably makes sense.

That would probably be too expensive for my blood. Maybe 1 first and like Carsen Edwards or something. Their benefit to this deal is the free agency reset for a bad team and the opportunity to re enter the market again no longer having to pay him for 3 years. We're getting a good player but we're also doing them a solid by eliminating 3 years of cost. I'm not overpaying for that.

Not down with 2 1sts either....the norm for superstar trades now is multiple picks. Holiday, george, harden, and unfortunately now there’s been precedent set. Not saying we are going to unload anyone for a superstar but it’s not a smart idea to empty some of the clip for Harrison Barnes.

Like Barnes and think he would be very good here but not for 2 picks imo

[Celts17Pride]

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Give the guy credit, he is creative. This makes no sense on so many levels unless Westbrook going to a 3rd team and something else coming to the Celtics but who would want Westbrook?

Just the normal Robot Dave dribble but something to talk about

Just trying to play along with Robot Dave, who were the teams that were interested in Westbrook this off season? I remember Knicks and Charlotte.

Honestly could see Orlando being interested in Westbrook. A Was/Orl/Bos three way trade opens up all kinds of possibilities

[yeleven11]

Hope that he's on the table. Would trade 2 firsts, the TPE and maybe 1 young guy for him. Cost will probably be high, but it does seem that the trade costs for decent players lately have been outrageous, so 2 firsts probably makes sense.

That would probably be too expensive for my blood. Maybe 1 first and like Carsen Edwards or something. Their benefit to this deal is the free agency reset for a bad team and the opportunity to re enter the market again no longer having to pay him for 3 years. We're getting a good player but we're also doing them a solid by eliminating 3 years of cost. I'm not overpaying for that.

Not down with 2 1sts either....the norm for superstar trades now is multiple picks. Holiday, george, harden, and unfortunately now there’s been precedent set. Not saying we are going to unload anyone for a superstar but it’s not a smart idea to empty some of the clip for Harrison Barnes.

Like Barnes and think he would be very good here but not for 2 picks imo

With the way Semi and Grant has been playing, and depending on how Langford and Nesmith look by the trade deadline, it seems more and more likely that we keep the TPE for the offseason and if we make a deadline trade, I would expect it to be relatively small (Theis for a wing) instead of one that actually involves a big salary unless someone like Beal becomes available. I think until Beal gets traded, most teams will hold onto their assets

[Celtics_Champs]

No I do not want to trade Kemba Walker for Russel Westbrook.

Yes I think that guy just made that rumor up.

[Curmudgeon]

Westbrook looks like toast to me. Want no part of him, especially for $120M over the next three years.

[Celts17Pride]

Nobody wants Westbrook. The idea is Westbrook going to a third team and Celtics getting something else

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Has Robot Dave ever called anything?

[ddb]

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This is just flat out wrong. There is zero chance that Danny or Brad want anything to do with inefficient Westbrook. They wouldn’t let Tatum/Brown anywhere near that guy. This is just laughable. Moving on.....

[BillessuR6]

Why are we posting nonsense tweets?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[GoGreen]

I think any tweet from bozo dave and that clown James Stewart should be deleted automatically

[keevsnick1]

Hope that he's on the table. Would trade 2 firsts, the TPE and maybe 1 young guy for him. Cost will probably be high, but it does seem that the trade costs for decent players lately have been outrageous, so 2 firsts probably makes sense.

That would probably be too expensive for my blood. Maybe 1 first and like Carsen Edwards or something. Their benefit to this deal is the free agency reset for a bad team and the opportunity to re enter the market again no longer having to pay him for 3 years. We're getting a good player but we're also doing them a solid by eliminating 3 years of cost. I'm not overpaying for that.

Not down with 2 1sts either....the norm for superstar trades now is multiple picks. Holiday, george, harden, and unfortunately now there’s been precedent set. Not saying we are going to unload anyone for a superstar but it’s not a smart idea to empty some of the clip for Harrison Barnes.

Like Barnes and think he would be very good here but not for 2 picks imo

Ya 2 first for Barnes feels like an overpay. Also that is a contract that would put them into the luxury tax this year, which is I'm sure is something they would like to avoid. Even sending out Theis as part of the deal still likely leaves you pretty close to that tax line.

[FlatearthZorro]

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Is this guy trolling. I would vommit my guts out if we trade for RW. Dude is done. He was never that good. Freak athlete, but his ability is diminished and he still thinks he's a top 10 guy. He literally blew the game for the Wizards when they played us. When we were up 2, he took 2-3 consecutive 3s for no reason and Brad wont be able to deal with him. He's also had multiple 30 + shots playoff games in the past 3 seasons and he shot .400 or below in each one of those games.

HARDEST PASS EVER. I'd take Kemba 10 out of 10 times over Westbrook.

Oh, man, I didn't see that it was robot dave.. whatevs.

[Darthlukey]

That would probably be too expensive for my blood. Maybe 1 first and like Carsen Edwards or something. Their benefit to this deal is the free agency reset for a bad team and the opportunity to re enter the market again no longer having to pay him for 3 years. We're getting a good player but we're also doing them a solid by eliminating 3 years of cost. I'm not overpaying for that.

Not down with 2 1sts either....the norm for superstar trades now is multiple picks. Holiday, george, harden, and unfortunately now there’s been precedent set. Not saying we are going to unload anyone for a superstar but it’s not a smart idea to empty some of the clip for Harrison Barnes.

Like Barnes and think he would be very good here but not for 2 picks imo

Ya 2 first for Barnes feels like an overpay. Also that is a contract that would put them into the luxury tax this year, which is I'm sure is something they would like to avoid. Even sending out Theis as part of the deal still likely leaves you pretty close to that tax line.

Getting a rebuilding team out from under that deal is doing them the favour. Not the other way around. Minimal assets should be paid outside the TPE

[SMTBSI]

With the way Semi and Grant has been playing, and depending on how Langford and Nesmith look by the trade deadline, it seems more and more likely that we keep the TPE for the offseason and if we make a deadline trade, I would expect it to be relatively small (Theis for a wing) instead of one that actually involves a big salary unless someone like Beal becomes available. I think until Beal gets traded, most teams will hold onto their assets

One thing to bear in mind is that it's not absolutely crucial to hang onto that TPE for big-name hunting. If a small deal comes along for depth pieces, it might be worth it just to use up a portion of it.

The reason is that if we want to trade for a big-name piece later on, we, for the first time in ages, actually have the salaries to do it. Smart + Thompson already lets you take back almost exactly as much as the TPE. Smart + Thompson + a young player on next year's salaries begins to get you to a level where you could salary match just about any player in the league aside from the top 10 or so contracts. (And, there's always the chance Kemba could be in the picture as well.)

If you're really big-big-name hunting, losing Smart isn't any kind of deal breaker. So, we can get big deals done any time we want, with or without the TPE. Thus, if a smaller opportunity comes along to improve the team a bit, using part of the TPE, there's no sense in passing it up just to preserve the wholeness of the TPE.

[GoGreen]

I know it's fun to speculate, but this team has nothing for assets unless teams want late first round picks. Anybody this tpe gets is going to likely be a guy another team doesn't really want to keep paying, and is willing to dump for little back.

Idk, it's hard to see how we can get someone otherwise. Guys like Barnes or Fournier come to mind.

[yeleven11]

With the way Semi and Grant has been playing, and depending on how Langford and Nesmith look by the trade deadline, it seems more and more likely that we keep the TPE for the offseason and if we make a deadline trade, I would expect it to be relatively small (Theis for a wing) instead of one that actually involves a big salary unless someone like Beal becomes available. I think until Beal gets traded, most teams will hold onto their assets

One thing to bear in mind is that it's not absolutely crucial to hang onto that TPE for big-name hunting. If a small deal comes along for depth pieces, it might be worth it just to use up a portion of it.

The reason is that if we want to trade for a big-name piece later on, we, for the first time in ages, actually have the salaries to do it. Smart + Thompson already lets you take back almost exactly as much as the TPE. Smart + Thompson + a young player on next year's salaries begins to get you to a level where you could salary match just about any player in the league aside from the top 10 or so contracts. (And, there's always the chance Kemba could be in the picture as well.)

If you're really big-big-name hunting, losing Smart isn't any kind of deal breaker. So, we can get big deals done any time we want, with or without the TPE. Thus, if a smaller opportunity comes along to improve the team a bit, using part of the TPE, there's no sense in passing it up just to preserve the wholeness of the TPE.

The benefit of holding onto the TPE until the offseason is that we will not be hardcapped and we can actually use the full 28.5m without having to send out salary. Bigger tax bill obviously but there is more flexibility.

[SMTBSI]

One thing to bear in mind is that it's not absolutely crucial to hang onto that TPE for big-name hunting. If a small deal comes along for depth pieces, it might be worth it just to use up a portion of it.

The reason is that if we want to trade for a big-name piece later on, we, for the first time in ages, actually have the salaries to do it. Smart + Thompson already lets you take back almost exactly as much as the TPE. Smart + Thompson + a young player on next year's salaries begins to get you to a level where you could salary match just about any player in the league aside from the top 10 or so contracts. (And, there's always the chance Kemba could be in the picture as well.)

If you're really big-big-name hunting, losing Smart isn't any kind of deal breaker. So, we can get big deals done any time we want, with or without the TPE. Thus, if a smaller opportunity comes along to improve the team a bit, using part of the TPE, there's no sense in passing it up just to preserve the wholeness of the TPE.

The benefit of holding onto the TPE until the offseason is that we will not be hardcapped and we can actually use the full 28.5m without having to send out salary. Bigger tax bill obviously but there is more flexibility.

Right, but my point is that, at that time, you can do the same thing with salaries of players we can afford to lose, and you have arguably even more flexibility as you can take even more money back. There's never a time where the TPE allows us to do something we couldn't do easily anyway.

Holding onto the TPE just to preserve the ability to use it in one big move is just not really necessary. Anything we can do with the TPE, we can do with salaries. So why pass up a chance for a more modest improvement in the short term, if one comes available?

It's been my prediction since it was generated that we're far more likely to use it to pick up some smaller depth pieces in the short term, then use Smart + Thompson + youth + picks for the big name later on down the line.

[SMTBSI]

I know it's fun to speculate, but this team has nothing for assets unless teams want late first round picks. Anybody this tpe gets is going to likely be a guy another team doesn't really want to keep paying, and is willing to dump for little back.

Idk, it's hard to see how we can get someone otherwise. Guys like Barnes or Fournier come to mind.

There was a pretty clear design principle behind this roster. We came in with an obvious "vet 7", with most depth at PG and C, and youth competing to back up basically every position.

Walker / Teague || Pritchard
Smart || Langsmith
Brown
Tatum || Ojelliams
Thompson / Theis || Timelord

The first half of the season was always going to be about figuring out which of those red players had a chance to be part of the solution this year. Come the deadline, we'll have some sense of that (obviously Pritchard has already jumped Teague).

Then, if we want to, and there are no big names available, we can just use the TPE to seek modest upgrades to the ones that didn't. The kinds of guys you're courting as upgrades to the Langfords/Semis of the world are the kind that can be acquired with late picks and middling prospects.