Game 13: Portland vs Atlanta 7:00pm SNW

Brandon-Clyde · Post #21 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:18 am

Roy The Natural wrote:
Brandon-Clyde wrote:Our bench is killing us. Anthony and Hood ar -14 and Trent is -17

Something needs to change. Can't keep trotting Carmelo and Hood out there. Need to give Little some more run and just have him rebound and play defense.

Melo is at the stage of his career he needs a short hook if he isn't playing well. There will be games he plays well and will help the team so the strategy with him should be he gets in the game at the same time as usual but if he doesn't produce pull him quickly.
Hood I don't see as part of the future so his minutes should be going to Little or Simons.

GEE · Post #22 » by **GEE** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:21 am

I also don't understand why Collins wouldn't be able to return this year. His whole story has a stench about it. His decision for a re-do, or touch-up surgery (forget which) came right around the time the Harden talks were hottest, and who knows if Stotts had plans for him at PF anyway.

d-train · Post #23 » by **d-train** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:27 am

Matt800 wrote:
d-train wrote:Collins is basically not on the team. He is out this year and probably most of next year, if he is back. Blazers could be a completely different team before Collins is ready to play.

The reporting on his current injury speculates at him being back around playoff time. Maybe he will continue having injury issues that keep him out next season, but there's no known problem that is currently demanding him out for that much time.

Does that reporting include any actual opinion from a medical professional? It sounds to me like they had to redo the original surgery. If I recall, the recovery on the original surgery was 4-8 months. They went with 4 months because why not. This time, I think the 8 month number is the one to plan on. I know nothing, but this is how I read the reporting I have seen. So, this would have him ready by next season, if we can sign him.

GEE · Post #24 » by **GEE** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:40 am

We are now seeing what I, and many other I think feared... CJ or Dame going down with an injury. This means that Simons is no longer a project, he MUST produce.

Brandon-Clyde · Post #25 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:46 am

4th quarter GLB pic

Spoiler:

d-train · Post #26 » by **d-train** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:47 am

Where's the review on Melo's shot

Brandon-Clyde · Post #27 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:48 am

GEE wrote:We are now seeing what I, and many other I think feared... CJ or Dame going down with an injury. This means that Simons is no longer a project, he MUST produce.

If CJ is down it won't be one player who needs to make up for it it will take multiple players(in particular Jones and Covington must start producing offensively

GEE · Post #28 » by **GEE** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:53 am

Brandon-Clyde wrote:
GEE wrote:We are now seeing what I, and many other I think feared... CJ or Dame going down with an injury. This means that Simons is no longer a project, he MUST produce.

If CJ is down it won't be one player who needs to make up for it it will take multiple players(in particular Jones and Covington must start producing offensively

What do Jones and ROCO have to do with the PG position? That was my point.

d-train · Post #29 » by **d-train** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:57 am

I didn't see what had Stotts so pissed.

GEE · Post #30 » by **GEE** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:58 am

Good foul Terry.

Brandon-Clyde · Post #31 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:01 am

GEE wrote:
Brandon-Clyde wrote:
GEE wrote:We are now seeing what I, and many other I think feared... CJ or Dame going down with an injury. This means that Simons is no longer a project, he MUST produce.

If CJ is down it won't be one player who needs to make up for it it will take multiple players(in particular Jones and Covington must start producing offensively

What do Jones and ROCO have to do with the PG position? That was my point.

Simon's will not be able to reproduce all of CJ's production. Yes Simons must produce but it can't be all on him alone.

GEE · Post #32 » by **GEE** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:08 am

Oh my.

Matt800 · Post #33 » by **Matt800** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:12 am

d-train wrote:
Matt800 wrote:
d-train wrote:Collins is basically not on the team. He is out this year and probably most of next year, if he is back. Blazers could be a completely different team before Collins is ready to play.

The reporting on his current injury speculates at him being back around playoff time. Maybe he will continue having injury issues that keep him out next season, but there's no known problem that is currently demanding him out for that much time.

Does that reporting include any actual opinion from a medical professional? It sounds to me like they had to redo the original surgery. If I recall, the recovery on the original surgery was 4-8 months. They went with 4 months because why not. This time, I think the 8 month number is the one to plan on. I know nothing, but this is how I read the reporting I have seen. So, this would have him ready by next season, if we can sign him.

It is definitely open to interpretation because the Blazers have not released much information. It was 4-6 months on the initial time table. I don't know the precedent for people like collins and that type of injury and how long it takes. But they probably said 4 because of data showing that people like him tended to take 4 months with that. I don't know much about the type of injury he has, or why he has it.

That he had to get a redo does not seem at all like a good thing. And I would think it would be more comforting if they had released why that was needed and his timetable going forward. I wonder if they don't really know what's wrong with him and are just trying the redo surgery and hoping for the best. But the team also generally does not give out a lot of info on injuries so who knows the reasoning.

I think you could be right that Collins is going to be out for a long time, but I just wanted to clarify that we don't really know much at all about this. If all it is is still the ankle problem with a 4-6 month time table then that's about what we can expect. But if is more, then who knows? I think we should at least know something in 4 months.

Matt800 · Post #34 » by **Matt800** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:20 am

Seems like Atlanta is getting away with more physicality than Portland in the last few minutes

Matt800 · Post #35 » by **Matt800** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:22 am

Atlanta player two hand pushes DJJ on rebound and he cant control it so Atlanta ball

JasonStern · Post #36 » by **JasonStern** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:47 am

GEE wrote:We are now seeing what I, and many other I think feared... CJ or Dame going down with an injury. This means that Simons is no longer a project, he MUST produce.

RELAX. Trent can handle the starting SG position. And there is no way a competent GM would put the entire backup point guard load on an undersized shooting guard in McCollum and a completely unproven rookie contract guard in Simons.

Case2012 · Post #37 » by **Case2012** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:50 am

Good comeback, again.

So what are the odds we get a back up point guard? Zero? I'm not sure Simons is an nba player. I think he might need to go down to the g league for a few years, he's just too raw. Can't afford to have Dame play 42 minutes a night, that's crazy.

Case2012 · Post #38 » by **Case2012** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:58 am

I wonder if we could trade Collins and a few seconds for Rose?

zzaj · Post #39 » by **zzaj** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:15 am

Case2012 wrote:I wonder if we could trade Collins and a few seconds for Rose?

Man, Rose would be so good on this team...

Had to miss the game. Any word on CJ's injury?

Bright side? Trent plays himself into a starting role and Stotts sees the value of CJ off the bench, like the player he has always been.

BlazersBroncos · Post #40 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:14 pm

I wonder if we could trade Collins and a few seconds for Rose?

It is very, very rare for a team to trade a player with a long term injury. Sort of an unwritten rule that you dont do that, not to mention your never going to get fair value back.

Rose is a nice option, but I am not sure people realize how ball dominant he is. He absolutely has to have the ball in his hands to be offensively effective, and is as always a sieve on defense. I am not sure I like the fit. If we make a move for a guard, I much prefer George Hill who can play off ball, is a better shooter and is a much better defender (And can guard some SG).

At the same time, should any trade for a backup PG go through we need to acknowledge that GTJ will, by minute necessity, have to slide into SF much more often. I actually am fine with that as GTJ is nowhere near as undersized for a SF as some make him out to be. Might not want him there for 30mpg, but he can play a quarter per at that slot IMO.

I dont think Zach is tradable, his value is nil and a franchise like Portland doesnt jettison guys when they are down. So as it stands our only trade chips are Simons and Little with Hood as salary ballast.