2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[Skybox]

What's going on in TOR...I see some posts souring on Siakam and, obviously, they're not doing well. Perhaps they miss their bigs more than they thought they would. Nick Nurse is an awesome, creative coach. He'd do wonders with smart vets with diverse skills and it looks like OG is ready for his star turn (in Siakim's place?). Baynes is having a tough time so far - he could hold down the C spot while we pray Bamba wakes up. TOR is again a contender in East immediately. I'd prefer not to give '21 pick as this season is a total s**tshow, but I do think that the FRP is a big factor as well as getting off Siakim's deal/selling high while Nurse builds another young superstar or two with OG, Boucher, Davis, or picks...This would be followed with AG for picks, prospects, a Center? Disarray would likely keep us in this year's lottery despite the obvious upgrades.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7382213

ORL sends Vucevic, Fournier, Ennis + 2022 frp
TOR sends Siakim, Baynes, Powell

Bamba/Baynes/Birch
Isaac, Okeke
Siakam, Bacon
Powell, TRoss
Fultz, Anthony

There is no such thing as "star turn". Either you are or not. Siakam is complimentary peace. Played amazing behind Kawhi and Lowry and Gasol. As soon as Kawhi left, in playoffs he got exsposed.
Very good player, will never be lead player but is payed like one.
OG is like Cam Reddish. Defender who looks like he could do more but will dissapoint you every time he tries.

God forbid any furure roster from starting Fultz, Siakam, Gordon and Isaac. That's off dribble most limited team in history.

Forgive my incorrect use of the term(or yours)... OG has improved offensively each year and was always solid defensively...Sounds like Siakim a couple years ago. My point is that OG could, perhaps, move into Siakim's role with TOR seamlessly, by picking up more scoring opportunities. Siakim is more valuable than Vuc in a vacuum, but maybe not to Toronto. Great GM's make moves to make great teams. ..Just like AG is a solid player in the NBA, unless you have Isaac (or Siakim) ready to take his spot.

Shaq leaves, Penny ups his scoring to elite level. Penny gets hurt (or leaves-I forget) and, suddenly, Nick Anderson is scoring 22 ppg.

[j-ragg]

What's going on in TOR...I see some posts souring on Siakam and, obviously, they're not doing well. Perhaps they miss their bigs more than they thought they would. Nick Nurse is an awesome, creative coach. He'd do wonders with smart vets with diverse skills and it looks like OG is ready for his star turn (in Siakim's place?). Baynes is having a tough time so far - he could hold down the C spot while we pray Bamba wakes up. TOR is again a contender in East immediately. I'd prefer not to give '21 pick as this season is a total s**tshow, but I do think that the FRP is a big factor as well as getting off Siakim's deal/selling high while Nurse builds another young superstar or two with OG, Boucher, Davis, or picks...This would be followed with AG for picks, prospects, a Center? Disarray would likely keep us in this year's lottery despite the obvious upgrades.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7382213

ORL sends Vucevic, Fournier, Ennis + 2022 frp
TOR sends Siakim, Baynes, Powell

Bamba/Baynes/Birch
Isaac, Okeke
Siakam, Bacon
Powell, TRoss
Fultz, Anthony

There is no such thing as "star turn". Either you are or not. Siakam is complimentary peace. Played amazing behind Kawhi and Lowry and Gasol. As soon as Kawhi left, in playoffs he got exsposed.
Very good player, will never be lead player but is payed like one.
OG is like Cam Reddish. Defender who looks like he could do more but will dissapoint you every time he tries.

God forbid any furure roster from starting Fultz, Siakam, Gordon and Isaac. That's off dribble most limited team in history.

I agree with the first part, but still don’t see that as a reason not to do this? Trading one border line all star for another? Siakam is 4 years younger, would fit the timeline better. Complements Isaac on the wing, can handle the ball better than you’re giving him credit for. Wing creators are more valuable than someone who creates from the center spot as well imo.

In bizarro world where Toronto would consider this, it’s a much more watchable team imo.

Fultz
Powell
Siakam/AG trade return
Isaac/AG trade return
Baynes/Bamba

Vuc has had a great start to the year though so maybe they’d go for it. Who knows.

[BCS]

Wishful trades:

1) AG and Ross for Porter Jr, Harris and filler. Highly unlikely Denver considers trading mpj, I would probably add picks if necessary, lol, but I do believe this trade makes them very scary in the short term. AG fits really well with their stars and improves their defense, while Ross will give their bench an offensive spark off the bench.

2) Fournier for Oubre Jr. For me, I do not care for Oubre, but just getting rid of the old. Fournier is a better fit for GS the Oubre imo. Maybe we can get a 2nd rd pick.

3) Vuc and Aminu for NAW, Adams, filler (Melli) and at least one 1st round pick, I probably would not settle for less than 2. I originally liked this because I thought Adams was expiring but then I read about the extension and would be fine trying to get better value or keeping Vuc.

Vuc is a tough one because I am really liking his fit with our pg's. But he will be declining when our young players are ready to compete and his value should be high right now with the way he is playing. The smart thing for our future is likely to cash in.

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[tiderulz]

Nik with 22 ppg and 41% from 3. would love to strike while hot and get a good return for him.

[cedric76]

Atlanta is panicking

Let s see if we can get Reddish or Hunter from them

Evan for Hunter +snell

If they turn it down (very likely)

Go for Evan for Reddish + Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyu2x8sv

Reddish goes well with our Timeline with Fultz+Cole+Chuma+JI+Mo

[pepe1991]

Atlanta is panicking

Let s see if we can get Reddish or Hunter from them

Evan for Hunter +snell

If they turn it down (very likely)

Go for Evan for Reddish + Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyu2x8sv

Reddish goes well with our Timeline with Fultz+Cole+Chuma+JI+Mo

Reddish is best fit no doubt.
No offense, no jumpshot and knee injury. Natural fit.

[cedric76]

Atlanta is panicking

Let s see if we can get Reddish or Hunter from them

Evan for Hunter +snell

If they turn it down (very likely)

Go for Evan for Reddish + Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyu2x8sv

Reddish goes well with our Timeline with Fultz+Cole+Chuma+JI+Mo

Reddish is best fit no doubt.
No offense, no jumpshot and knee injury. Natural fit.

lol, yeah he is 21, he is a finished product, he is a BUST

Worth the gamble and you also get snell for Evan s expiring contract

You can go wrong

Win win for both team

[pepe1991]

Atlanta is panicking

Let s see if we can get Reddish or Hunter from them

Evan for Hunter +snell

If they turn it down (very likely)

Go for Evan for Reddish + Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyu2x8sv

Reddish goes well with our Timeline with Fultz+Cole+Chuma+JI+Mo

Reddish is best fit no doubt.
No offense, no jumpshot and knee injury. Natural fit.

lol, yeah he is 21, he is a finished product, he is a BUST

Worth the gamble and you also get snell for Evan s expiring contract

You can go wrong

Win win for both team

Second year lottery pick that fell off rotation, good signs

[cedric76]

Reddish is best fit no doubt.
No offense, no jumpshot and knee injury. Natural fit.

lol, yeah he is 21, he is a finished product, he is a BUST

Worth the gamble and you also get snell for Evan s expiring contract

You can go wrong

Win win for both team

Second year lottery pick that fell off rotation, good signs

Come on man, you r better than that

Too early to give up on someone with so much potential

He might never become a star but he could become a very solid player

[pepe1991]

lol, yeah he is 21, he is a finished product, he is a BUST

Worth the gamble and you also get snell for Evan s expiring contract

You can go wrong

Win win for both team

Second year lottery pick that fell off rotation, good signs

Come on man, you r better than that

Too early to give up on someone with so much potential

He might never become a star but he could become a very solid player

So guy logged around 70 games in his career so far, to this date, he is yet to shoot at any level 40% FG or more from the field and over 33% for 3.
And it's not like he is shy to shoot, he shoost 10 shots a game all the time, he, just like Cole Anthony, simply can't make any. And yes, from time to time, he gets hot and scores 20, but more often than not, he is way off.
I'm not giving up on him, i was never high to begin with. He is just one of many players that on paper looks like he should be good ( 6'8, strong frame, athletic) yet just keeps failing at putting his game together.

Hunter is whole different animal, but ofc they won't trade him. Not that they will trade Cam, they flat out won't. But since Cam was topic...

Over the years i fought strong against trades for likes of : Wiggins, Culver, Reddish, Coby White and many other non- impact lottery picks that just waste salary, and some put some stats, some can't even do that.

[Viper1500]

If we do decide to trade Vucevic, the return better be well worth it. I consider him to be a top 5 center in this league.

[Skybox]

If we do decide to trade Vucevic, the return better be well worth it. I consider him to be a top 5 center in this league.

Agreed.Only for a clear, established star, IMO...Plenty of value with Gordon and Fournier, plus maybe Bamba, Aminu (if a bigger package)...Cash those guys in for young wings and then see what we got with Vuc, Isaac, Fultz + 2 shooters, TRoss, Okeke, Bamba, Cole leading the bench.

[tiderulz]

If we do decide to trade Vucevic, the return better be well worth it. I consider him to be a top 5 center in this league.

Agreed.Only for a clear, established star, IMO...Plenty of value with Gordon and Fournier, plus maybe Bamba, Aminu (if a bigger package)...Cash those guys in for young wings and then see what we got with Vuc, Isaac, Fultz + 2 shooters, TRoss, Okeke, Bamba, Cole leading the bench.

you can win with defensive role playing centers, you cant win with subpar wings anymore.

[Skybox]

If we do decide to trade Vucevic, the return better be well worth it. I consider him to be a top 5 center in this league.

Agreed.Only for a clear, established star, IMO...Plenty of value with Gordon and Fournier, plus maybe Bamba, Aminu (if a bigger package)...Cash those guys in for young wings and then see what we got with Vuc, Isaac, Fultz + 2 shooters, TRoss, Okeke, Bamba, Cole leading the bench.

you can win with defensive role playing centers, you cant win with subpar wings anymore.

You can win with really good offensive Centers if you can somehow find a good wing to play with him for the first time in 8 years. Having such a good Center just gives you more looks and weapons...silly the way people discount the advantage of a really good player. Five bodies on the court...the more good complimentary players you have at any positions, the better.

[zaymon]

Vucevic has wing skill set with center body and rebounding. Doesnt get much better than this. NBA is called pick and roll league, most dangerous pnrs are with centers becouse you move opponent rim protector outside paint. With his size he is great screener, dho partner etc. If we are talking about offensive duos its better to have guard/ wing + center than two guards or even wings.

[tiderulz]

Agreed.Only for a clear, established star, IMO...Plenty of value with Gordon and Fournier, plus maybe Bamba, Aminu (if a bigger package)...Cash those guys in for young wings and then see what we got with Vuc, Isaac, Fultz + 2 shooters, TRoss, Okeke, Bamba, Cole leading the bench.

you can win with defensive role playing centers, you cant win with subpar wings anymore.

You can win with really good offensive Centers if you can somehow find a good wing to play with him for the first time in 8 years. Having such a good Center just gives you more looks and weapons...silly the way people discount the advantage of a really good player. Five bodies on the court...the more good complimentary players you have at any positions, the better.

but having that center isnt required. having the wing play is. yes, he is a very good player, but his position isnt as important anymore. thats why LA could use hobbled Dwight and McGee at center. Why GS hardly even uses a center anymore and moves Green to center.

[Skybox]

you can win with defensive role playing centers, you cant win with subpar wings anymore.

You can win with really good offensive Centers if you can somehow find a good wing to play with him for the first time in 8 years. Having such a good Center just gives you more looks and weapons...silly the way people discount the advantage of a really good player. Five bodies on the court...the more good complimentary players you have at any positions, the better.

but having that center isnt required. having the wing play is. yes, he is a very good player, but his position isnt as important anymore. thats why LA could use hobbled Dwight and McGee at center. Why GS hardly even uses a center anymore and moves Green to center.

Anthony Davis is a forward in name only. 2 good players can dominate from any positions. Saying one position is more important than another isn't true in basketball.

[tiderulz]

You can win with really good offensive Centers if you can somehow find a good wing to play with him for the first time in 8 years. Having such a good Center just gives you more looks and weapons...silly the way people discount the advantage of a really good player. Five bodies on the court...the more good complimentary players you have at any positions, the better.

but having that center isnt required. having the wing play is. yes, he is a very good player, but his position isnt as important anymore. thats why LA could use hobbled Dwight and McGee at center. Why GS hardly even uses a center anymore and moves Green to center.

Anthony Davis is a forward in name only. 2 good players can dominate from any positions. Saying one position is more important than another isn't true in basketball.

except they had him playing with Howard and McGee. yes, he slid over sometimes but he played PF a lot too. but very few teams are winning the title with a top center in the league. it just isnt a requirement anymore

[Skybox]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

If you're lucky enough to have a great player at any position, you're good. Look at Denver...Jokic makes them go. Philly...on the other hand, watch POR without Nurkic and two superstar guys with identical skills, size, position play. What is Giannis' position? (doesn't matter, he just dominates). Is Lebron a PG or a wing?

You could make an argument for the value of scoring PG in today's NBA (but MIL, LAL, LAC have all lacked that player)... as always, talent wins.

[MagicHolland]

Right now I feel like there’s 2 ways to go.

Either keep Vuc and put everything, besides JI and Fultz, on the table for a (disgruntled) “star”. Kyrie? Siakam? Beal? CJ? (Not trying to get in a debate wether or not they should be considered stars.. Vuc paired with another “star” should get us to the playoffs and with JI and Fultz returning we have two solid additions, IF healthy.

Or keep most of the young guys, offload the vets and go all in on drafting and starting with a clean sheet.

Either way it’s time to make a change. This route leads nowhere.