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Post#101 » by Pharmcat » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:28 pm

LofJ wrote:Fertitta sounds like he's cut from the same cloth as Trump right down to the mafia connections and malignant narcissism. So yeah the days of the Rockets being one of the better franchises are likely over.



And guess who fertitta supports for president :D
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LofJ wrote:Fertitta sounds like he's cut from the same cloth as Trump right down to the mafia connections and malignant narcissism. So yeah the days of the Rockets being one of the better franchises are likely over.

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Post#104 » by LofJ » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Ckay wrote:
LofJ wrote:Fertitta sounds like he's cut from the same cloth as Trump right down to the mafia connections and malignant narcissism. So yeah the days of the Rockets being one of the better franchises are likely over.



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Post#105 » by Funcrusher » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:39 pm

chuck_wagon44 wrote:Rockets fans are such homers they're not objective about their own team.

beautiful contribution that aged so well :lol:
gh123 wrote:Zion lucky if he gets 18 ppg on decent efficiency. Midget big man is a no-career in NBA. Chuck being the only wonder. Zion is the next Tractor Trailer at best.
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Re: Allow me to speak on Tillman Fertita 

Post#106 » by Openheimer » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:55 pm

LarsV8 wrote:I am writing this to vent, I am writing this to inform, I am writing this to put all the pieces together.

Here the thesis: Houston has the worst owner in the league, just nobody realizes it yet.

I didn't know much about Fertita before he bought the team. I had heard of him, but never really paid much attention. This guy made his money in seafood and has a huge presence in Houston. I started doing some research and asking around about him and turns out he is a pretty awful person. Standard Billionaire stuff, treats employees like garbage, screws over contractors, screws business partners, mistreat animals, just the classic narcissist who cares for nobody but himself and believes he knows better than every one else.

Just a little light reading, if you want to know more
http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/09-01-12-how-tilman-fertitta-made-1-billion-dollars-not-by-being-mr-nice-guy/
https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/other/dozens-of-liens-filed-against-tilman-fertitta-for-the-post-oak-90301
https://houston.eater.com/2017/2/27/14748522/landrys-restaurants-lawsuit-white-tigers-animal-legal-defense-fund

Of course, I don't want to appear biased, so I encourage you to pick up his book "Shut Up and Listen" if you want some of his "Truths"

But anyway, back to basketball.

We know Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets. MIT grad with a degree in sports analytics, founder of the Sloan Conference. Just a big basketball nerd. Morey joined the Rockets in 2006 to replace Carrol Dawson. Dawson was a relic from the past but had stumbled onto a Yao /McGrady pairing which was a solid core and by the 2008-09 season, Morey had assembled a super talented group around Yao/ Tmac. With outstanding asset management, Morey had put Landry, Scola, Lowry, Battier, Artest, Dragic, Mutumbo. The thing about Morey is basically never mortgaged his future. He would trade his current year 1st rounders, but almost never traded future firsts. Now that team crumbled because Yao / Tmac 's careers both ended with injury, but it was pretty clear early on that Morey was a stud.

Leslie Alexander, the Rockets owner at the time, was mediocre. He was cheap, he only paid the tax once, but he didn't meddle. He let Morey do what Morey did best. (Edit - that **** did take the trophies when he left)

Flash forward 7 years, Morey had assembled another fantastic team in 2017-18. Chris Paul / James Harden with Capela, Ariza, Tucker, Gordon, Ryno. This was a monster of a team, 65 wins and pushing the GOAT team farther than anyone ever had. They were in terrific shape, had all their future picks, were ready to "Run it back" and be a force for years to come. If there were ever a time to pay the luxury tax, it was here.

Enter Tilman Fertita.

Tilman bought the team in September of 17, shortly after the Chris Paul trade. For those who don't know, resigning Chris Paul to a 4 year contract was part of the "deal" for him to agree to opt into his final year to make the getting to Houston work. Despite the monumental success of that team, in Tilman's first year of ownership, he immediately started complaining about the cost. Simply put, Tilman Fertita cannot afford to be an NBA owner.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-163434688.html

After inheriting the 65 win team, and basically being forced to re-sign Paul, the Rockets immediately start feeling the consequences. First casualty: Trevor Ariza. Now Ariza was basically a perfect fit in Houston. Long 3 and D guy, good hustle, good attitude, gone.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-trevor-ariza-says-daryl-morey-told-him-houston-wasnt-going-to-re-sign-him/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825465-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-calls-reporter-a-fraud-after-budget-cut-tweet

Rockets turned to Melo as the bargain replacement player. Houston's defense plummeted from 6th in 17/18 to 16th in 18/19. Morey struggled to find a stop gap and finally discovered Daniel House who was promising as a wing starting alongside Harden / Pul. As his 45 day eligibility eroded, the Rockets had their MLE to sign House to a multi year deal, but they refused, over tax concerns. The short handed Rockets literally sat this kid, a starter, rather than pay him a guaranteed contract. They claimed they needed it to be the most attractive buyout destination, which they never ended up using.

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/20/houston-rockets-danuel-house-contract-explained/

In other cost cutting news, Rockets had to sacrifice promising 2nd round pick De'Anthony Melton to turn the Ryan Anderson contract into an expiring contract (knight), so it could be dumped easier at a later time. That time came at the trade deadline, when the Rockets had to give up their 2018 1st to get under the tax and move Knight. They got Shumps smaller contract in this deal.

Fast forward to the offseason, where the nightmare scenario happened. Westbrook became available. Morey never wanted Westbrook, he is as an anti Morey player, as they come. But guess who stepped in?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/02/rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-tells-final-hours-of-paul-westbrook-deal/

I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me.

My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’

The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting. Not only is it exciting that we’re a better team, but it’s exciting for the fans. I owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to win a championship every year.


This idiot, made the Rockets trade 4 future draft picks to downgrade from Paul to Westbrook. 4 picks! Now remember, Morey essentially never traded future picks, but in order to make this happen, we had to include 4 future picks. On top of that, this broke ass owner, had to beg Westbrook to restructure his payment schedule to be more favorable to the team

https://deadspin.com/russell-westbrook-restructured-his-contract-to-give-til-1837083665

We again passed on using our MLE and passed on resigning Shump, who while not a great player, could have been extremely useful for salary matching purposes in future trades. Instead, Morey, desperate to try and salvage a horrible situation, tried to creatively create a tradable contract with Nene's deal. This got immediate attention and was promptly rejected by the NBA.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854473-nba-players-association-rescind-part-of-nenes-2-year-20m-rockets-contract

He then decided to "get involved" in the coaching situation by gutting Dantoni's staff and not working out an extension, leading to more drama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tilman-fertitta-says-mike-d-203003975.html

Fast forward this deadline, and here we are again over the tax. And what do we do, use our pick to dump Green and Nene. Don't be fooled into thinking this was something different. We traded Capela for Covington, and used a pick to dump Green / Nene to duck the tax.

For those keeping track at home:

Read on Twitter


And he is being kind, by not mentioning not using the MLEs and resigning key players, or using Melton and another 1st to avoid luxury tax savings.

And while generally being a terrible person, cheap, meddling, this is by far my favorite part of the story. Fertita has put his idiot son into a management position and makes Morey report to him.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/The-other-Fertitta-behind-the-Rockets-14058856.php

Daryl Morey, MIT grad, one of, if not the best GMs in the league, has to get the approval of a 24 year old before any of his moves.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to troll or pile on. All I ask is that this becomes known and repeated as soon as possible. We all know Dolan is awful, we all know Sarver is bad. Just make sure Fertita's name comes up if we are ever talking about the worst owners.

Edit - The mural

We have some murals in our arena, usually they redo them year over year.

Heres one from a few years ago
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Here is the first Tilman one
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He totally ran an all time great like Harden out of town. What did he get in return, a 29 year old injury ridden player who is not even all star level and has no interest in Re-signing in Houston.Oh yea, a bunch of late first rounders.
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Re: Allow me to speak on Tillman Fertita 

Post#107 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:44 pm

Openheimer wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:I am writing this to vent, I am writing this to inform, I am writing this to put all the pieces together.

Here the thesis: Houston has the worst owner in the league, just nobody realizes it yet.

I didn't know much about Fertita before he bought the team. I had heard of him, but never really paid much attention. This guy made his money in seafood and has a huge presence in Houston. I started doing some research and asking around about him and turns out he is a pretty awful person. Standard Billionaire stuff, treats employees like garbage, screws over contractors, screws business partners, mistreat animals, just the classic narcissist who cares for nobody but himself and believes he knows better than every one else.

Just a little light reading, if you want to know more
http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/09-01-12-how-tilman-fertitta-made-1-billion-dollars-not-by-being-mr-nice-guy/
https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/other/dozens-of-liens-filed-against-tilman-fertitta-for-the-post-oak-90301
https://houston.eater.com/2017/2/27/14748522/landrys-restaurants-lawsuit-white-tigers-animal-legal-defense-fund

Of course, I don't want to appear biased, so I encourage you to pick up his book "Shut Up and Listen" if you want some of his "Truths"

But anyway, back to basketball.

We know Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets. MIT grad with a degree in sports analytics, founder of the Sloan Conference. Just a big basketball nerd. Morey joined the Rockets in 2006 to replace Carrol Dawson. Dawson was a relic from the past but had stumbled onto a Yao /McGrady pairing which was a solid core and by the 2008-09 season, Morey had assembled a super talented group around Yao/ Tmac. With outstanding asset management, Morey had put Landry, Scola, Lowry, Battier, Artest, Dragic, Mutumbo. The thing about Morey is basically never mortgaged his future. He would trade his current year 1st rounders, but almost never traded future firsts. Now that team crumbled because Yao / Tmac 's careers both ended with injury, but it was pretty clear early on that Morey was a stud.

Leslie Alexander, the Rockets owner at the time, was mediocre. He was cheap, he only paid the tax once, but he didn't meddle. He let Morey do what Morey did best. (Edit - that **** did take the trophies when he left)

Flash forward 7 years, Morey had assembled another fantastic team in 2017-18. Chris Paul / James Harden with Capela, Ariza, Tucker, Gordon, Ryno. This was a monster of a team, 65 wins and pushing the GOAT team farther than anyone ever had. They were in terrific shape, had all their future picks, were ready to "Run it back" and be a force for years to come. If there were ever a time to pay the luxury tax, it was here.

Enter Tilman Fertita.

Tilman bought the team in September of 17, shortly after the Chris Paul trade. For those who don't know, resigning Chris Paul to a 4 year contract was part of the "deal" for him to agree to opt into his final year to make the getting to Houston work. Despite the monumental success of that team, in Tilman's first year of ownership, he immediately started complaining about the cost. Simply put, Tilman Fertita cannot afford to be an NBA owner.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-163434688.html

After inheriting the 65 win team, and basically being forced to re-sign Paul, the Rockets immediately start feeling the consequences. First casualty: Trevor Ariza. Now Ariza was basically a perfect fit in Houston. Long 3 and D guy, good hustle, good attitude, gone.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-trevor-ariza-says-daryl-morey-told-him-houston-wasnt-going-to-re-sign-him/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825465-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-calls-reporter-a-fraud-after-budget-cut-tweet

Rockets turned to Melo as the bargain replacement player. Houston's defense plummeted from 6th in 17/18 to 16th in 18/19. Morey struggled to find a stop gap and finally discovered Daniel House who was promising as a wing starting alongside Harden / Pul. As his 45 day eligibility eroded, the Rockets had their MLE to sign House to a multi year deal, but they refused, over tax concerns. The short handed Rockets literally sat this kid, a starter, rather than pay him a guaranteed contract. They claimed they needed it to be the most attractive buyout destination, which they never ended up using.

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/20/houston-rockets-danuel-house-contract-explained/

In other cost cutting news, Rockets had to sacrifice promising 2nd round pick De'Anthony Melton to turn the Ryan Anderson contract into an expiring contract (knight), so it could be dumped easier at a later time. That time came at the trade deadline, when the Rockets had to give up their 2018 1st to get under the tax and move Knight. They got Shumps smaller contract in this deal.

Fast forward to the offseason, where the nightmare scenario happened. Westbrook became available. Morey never wanted Westbrook, he is as an anti Morey player, as they come. But guess who stepped in?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/02/rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-tells-final-hours-of-paul-westbrook-deal/

I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me.

My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’

The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting. Not only is it exciting that we’re a better team, but it’s exciting for the fans. I owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to win a championship every year.


This idiot, made the Rockets trade 4 future draft picks to downgrade from Paul to Westbrook. 4 picks! Now remember, Morey essentially never traded future picks, but in order to make this happen, we had to include 4 future picks. On top of that, this broke ass owner, had to beg Westbrook to restructure his payment schedule to be more favorable to the team

https://deadspin.com/russell-westbrook-restructured-his-contract-to-give-til-1837083665

We again passed on using our MLE and passed on resigning Shump, who while not a great player, could have been extremely useful for salary matching purposes in future trades. Instead, Morey, desperate to try and salvage a horrible situation, tried to creatively create a tradable contract with Nene's deal. This got immediate attention and was promptly rejected by the NBA.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854473-nba-players-association-rescind-part-of-nenes-2-year-20m-rockets-contract

He then decided to "get involved" in the coaching situation by gutting Dantoni's staff and not working out an extension, leading to more drama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tilman-fertitta-says-mike-d-203003975.html

Fast forward this deadline, and here we are again over the tax. And what do we do, use our pick to dump Green and Nene. Don't be fooled into thinking this was something different. We traded Capela for Covington, and used a pick to dump Green / Nene to duck the tax.

For those keeping track at home:

Read on Twitter


And he is being kind, by not mentioning not using the MLEs and resigning key players, or using Melton and another 1st to avoid luxury tax savings.

And while generally being a terrible person, cheap, meddling, this is by far my favorite part of the story. Fertita has put his idiot son into a management position and makes Morey report to him.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/The-other-Fertitta-behind-the-Rockets-14058856.php

Daryl Morey, MIT grad, one of, if not the best GMs in the league, has to get the approval of a 24 year old before any of his moves.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to troll or pile on. All I ask is that this becomes known and repeated as soon as possible. We all know Dolan is awful, we all know Sarver is bad. Just make sure Fertita's name comes up if we are ever talking about the worst owners.

Edit - The mural

We have some murals in our arena, usually they redo them year over year.

Heres one from a few years ago
Image

Here is the first Tilman one
Image

He totally ran an all time great like Harden out of town. What did he get in return, a 29 year old injury ridden player who is not even all star level and has no interest in Re-signing in Houston.Oh yea, a bunch of late first rounders.

This man was sent from the future like trunks. If those Picks don’t work out He’s by far the worst owner
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Re: Allow me to speak on Tillman Fertita 

Post#108 » by MrGrim » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:08 pm

I hate Tilllman Fertita.
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Re: Allow me to speak on Tillman Fertita 

Post#109 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:06 am

Openheimer wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:I am writing this to vent, I am writing this to inform, I am writing this to put all the pieces together.

Here the thesis: Houston has the worst owner in the league, just nobody realizes it yet.

I didn't know much about Fertita before he bought the team. I had heard of him, but never really paid much attention. This guy made his money in seafood and has a huge presence in Houston. I started doing some research and asking around about him and turns out he is a pretty awful person. Standard Billionaire stuff, treats employees like garbage, screws over contractors, screws business partners, mistreat animals, just the classic narcissist who cares for nobody but himself and believes he knows better than every one else.

Just a little light reading, if you want to know more
http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/09-01-12-how-tilman-fertitta-made-1-billion-dollars-not-by-being-mr-nice-guy/
https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/other/dozens-of-liens-filed-against-tilman-fertitta-for-the-post-oak-90301
https://houston.eater.com/2017/2/27/14748522/landrys-restaurants-lawsuit-white-tigers-animal-legal-defense-fund

Of course, I don't want to appear biased, so I encourage you to pick up his book "Shut Up and Listen" if you want some of his "Truths"

But anyway, back to basketball.

We know Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets. MIT grad with a degree in sports analytics, founder of the Sloan Conference. Just a big basketball nerd. Morey joined the Rockets in 2006 to replace Carrol Dawson. Dawson was a relic from the past but had stumbled onto a Yao /McGrady pairing which was a solid core and by the 2008-09 season, Morey had assembled a super talented group around Yao/ Tmac. With outstanding asset management, Morey had put Landry, Scola, Lowry, Battier, Artest, Dragic, Mutumbo. The thing about Morey is basically never mortgaged his future. He would trade his current year 1st rounders, but almost never traded future firsts. Now that team crumbled because Yao / Tmac 's careers both ended with injury, but it was pretty clear early on that Morey was a stud.

Leslie Alexander, the Rockets owner at the time, was mediocre. He was cheap, he only paid the tax once, but he didn't meddle. He let Morey do what Morey did best. (Edit - that **** did take the trophies when he left)

Flash forward 7 years, Morey had assembled another fantastic team in 2017-18. Chris Paul / James Harden with Capela, Ariza, Tucker, Gordon, Ryno. This was a monster of a team, 65 wins and pushing the GOAT team farther than anyone ever had. They were in terrific shape, had all their future picks, were ready to "Run it back" and be a force for years to come. If there were ever a time to pay the luxury tax, it was here.

Enter Tilman Fertita.

Tilman bought the team in September of 17, shortly after the Chris Paul trade. For those who don't know, resigning Chris Paul to a 4 year contract was part of the "deal" for him to agree to opt into his final year to make the getting to Houston work. Despite the monumental success of that team, in Tilman's first year of ownership, he immediately started complaining about the cost. Simply put, Tilman Fertita cannot afford to be an NBA owner.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-163434688.html

After inheriting the 65 win team, and basically being forced to re-sign Paul, the Rockets immediately start feeling the consequences. First casualty: Trevor Ariza. Now Ariza was basically a perfect fit in Houston. Long 3 and D guy, good hustle, good attitude, gone.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-trevor-ariza-says-daryl-morey-told-him-houston-wasnt-going-to-re-sign-him/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825465-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-calls-reporter-a-fraud-after-budget-cut-tweet

Rockets turned to Melo as the bargain replacement player. Houston's defense plummeted from 6th in 17/18 to 16th in 18/19. Morey struggled to find a stop gap and finally discovered Daniel House who was promising as a wing starting alongside Harden / Pul. As his 45 day eligibility eroded, the Rockets had their MLE to sign House to a multi year deal, but they refused, over tax concerns. The short handed Rockets literally sat this kid, a starter, rather than pay him a guaranteed contract. They claimed they needed it to be the most attractive buyout destination, which they never ended up using.

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/20/houston-rockets-danuel-house-contract-explained/

In other cost cutting news, Rockets had to sacrifice promising 2nd round pick De'Anthony Melton to turn the Ryan Anderson contract into an expiring contract (knight), so it could be dumped easier at a later time. That time came at the trade deadline, when the Rockets had to give up their 2018 1st to get under the tax and move Knight. They got Shumps smaller contract in this deal.

Fast forward to the offseason, where the nightmare scenario happened. Westbrook became available. Morey never wanted Westbrook, he is as an anti Morey player, as they come. But guess who stepped in?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/02/rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-tells-final-hours-of-paul-westbrook-deal/

I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me.

My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’

The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting. Not only is it exciting that we’re a better team, but it’s exciting for the fans. I owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to win a championship every year.


This idiot, made the Rockets trade 4 future draft picks to downgrade from Paul to Westbrook. 4 picks! Now remember, Morey essentially never traded future picks, but in order to make this happen, we had to include 4 future picks. On top of that, this broke ass owner, had to beg Westbrook to restructure his payment schedule to be more favorable to the team

https://deadspin.com/russell-westbrook-restructured-his-contract-to-give-til-1837083665

We again passed on using our MLE and passed on resigning Shump, who while not a great player, could have been extremely useful for salary matching purposes in future trades. Instead, Morey, desperate to try and salvage a horrible situation, tried to creatively create a tradable contract with Nene's deal. This got immediate attention and was promptly rejected by the NBA.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854473-nba-players-association-rescind-part-of-nenes-2-year-20m-rockets-contract

He then decided to "get involved" in the coaching situation by gutting Dantoni's staff and not working out an extension, leading to more drama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tilman-fertitta-says-mike-d-203003975.html

Fast forward this deadline, and here we are again over the tax. And what do we do, use our pick to dump Green and Nene. Don't be fooled into thinking this was something different. We traded Capela for Covington, and used a pick to dump Green / Nene to duck the tax.

For those keeping track at home:

Read on Twitter


And he is being kind, by not mentioning not using the MLEs and resigning key players, or using Melton and another 1st to avoid luxury tax savings.

And while generally being a terrible person, cheap, meddling, this is by far my favorite part of the story. Fertita has put his idiot son into a management position and makes Morey report to him.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/The-other-Fertitta-behind-the-Rockets-14058856.php

Daryl Morey, MIT grad, one of, if not the best GMs in the league, has to get the approval of a 24 year old before any of his moves.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to troll or pile on. All I ask is that this becomes known and repeated as soon as possible. We all know Dolan is awful, we all know Sarver is bad. Just make sure Fertita's name comes up if we are ever talking about the worst owners.

Edit - The mural

We have some murals in our arena, usually they redo them year over year.

Heres one from a few years ago
Image

Here is the first Tilman one
Image

He totally ran an all time great like Harden out of town. What did he get in return, a 29 year old injury ridden player who is not even all star level and has no interest in Re-signing in Houston.Oh yea, a bunch of late first rounders.
The package they got really needs to be discussed more openly. They got 4 picks. They got the first two picks from Brkln and Milw in 2022. Nothing. Neither should be lower than 22. They they get the Nets 2024 pick which is almost certainly out of the lotto even if it all comes apart for the Nets. The 2026 pick really could be decent depending on how the Nets reload during this period. But it seems as likely as not that that's a middling pick. So 3 late firsts and MAYBE a pick in 6.5 years that might be worth something.

As for players, they took on an expiring deal for Exum who is likely to be out for 2 mos due to injury, Kurucs, who had played himself out of the rotation THEN had a rather horrifying domestic issue come up, and an expiring Dipo who is already demanding a trade out of Houston.

Literally the best asset they got is probably 13 years old right now.

And LOL at the swaps meaning anything. Fertitta is proving himself to be the worst professional sports owner since prime Sterling. He could have had an All NBA player but was too petty to trade Harden to Morey.

Let's put it like this: who would rather have the picks and swaps OKC got for the CP3/Russ trade than what Hou got for Harden? I sure would. Meaning Fertitta traded CP3 and Harden for the corpse of John Wall.

I feel bad for any Rox fans. Fertitta has ALREADY turned the Rox from the second best team in the league, and frankly they were unlucky not to win a title, into the worst franchise in the league in just 2 years. And its gonna get worse. They dont even control their own picks in 4 of the next 5 drafts.

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Post#110 » by God Squad » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:40 am

The force was strong with this padawan. Tillman truly is terrible.
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Post#111 » by John Murdoch » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:05 am

op called it , very bleak future for them till he is gone
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Post#112 » by Openheimer » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:48 am

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LarsV8 wrote:I am writing this to vent, I am writing this to inform, I am writing this to put all the pieces together.

Here the thesis: Houston has the worst owner in the league, just nobody realizes it yet.

I didn't know much about Fertita before he bought the team. I had heard of him, but never really paid much attention. This guy made his money in seafood and has a huge presence in Houston. I started doing some research and asking around about him and turns out he is a pretty awful person. Standard Billionaire stuff, treats employees like garbage, screws over contractors, screws business partners, mistreat animals, just the classic narcissist who cares for nobody but himself and believes he knows better than every one else.

Just a little light reading, if you want to know more
http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/09-01-12-how-tilman-fertitta-made-1-billion-dollars-not-by-being-mr-nice-guy/
https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/other/dozens-of-liens-filed-against-tilman-fertitta-for-the-post-oak-90301
https://houston.eater.com/2017/2/27/14748522/landrys-restaurants-lawsuit-white-tigers-animal-legal-defense-fund

Of course, I don't want to appear biased, so I encourage you to pick up his book "Shut Up and Listen" if you want some of his "Truths"

But anyway, back to basketball.

We know Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets. MIT grad with a degree in sports analytics, founder of the Sloan Conference. Just a big basketball nerd. Morey joined the Rockets in 2006 to replace Carrol Dawson. Dawson was a relic from the past but had stumbled onto a Yao /McGrady pairing which was a solid core and by the 2008-09 season, Morey had assembled a super talented group around Yao/ Tmac. With outstanding asset management, Morey had put Landry, Scola, Lowry, Battier, Artest, Dragic, Mutumbo. The thing about Morey is basically never mortgaged his future. He would trade his current year 1st rounders, but almost never traded future firsts. Now that team crumbled because Yao / Tmac 's careers both ended with injury, but it was pretty clear early on that Morey was a stud.

Leslie Alexander, the Rockets owner at the time, was mediocre. He was cheap, he only paid the tax once, but he didn't meddle. He let Morey do what Morey did best. (Edit - that **** did take the trophies when he left)

Flash forward 7 years, Morey had assembled another fantastic team in 2017-18. Chris Paul / James Harden with Capela, Ariza, Tucker, Gordon, Ryno. This was a monster of a team, 65 wins and pushing the GOAT team farther than anyone ever had. They were in terrific shape, had all their future picks, were ready to "Run it back" and be a force for years to come. If there were ever a time to pay the luxury tax, it was here.

Enter Tilman Fertita.

Tilman bought the team in September of 17, shortly after the Chris Paul trade. For those who don't know, resigning Chris Paul to a 4 year contract was part of the "deal" for him to agree to opt into his final year to make the getting to Houston work. Despite the monumental success of that team, in Tilman's first year of ownership, he immediately started complaining about the cost. Simply put, Tilman Fertita cannot afford to be an NBA owner.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-163434688.html

After inheriting the 65 win team, and basically being forced to re-sign Paul, the Rockets immediately start feeling the consequences. First casualty: Trevor Ariza. Now Ariza was basically a perfect fit in Houston. Long 3 and D guy, good hustle, good attitude, gone.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-trevor-ariza-says-daryl-morey-told-him-houston-wasnt-going-to-re-sign-him/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825465-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-calls-reporter-a-fraud-after-budget-cut-tweet

Rockets turned to Melo as the bargain replacement player. Houston's defense plummeted from 6th in 17/18 to 16th in 18/19. Morey struggled to find a stop gap and finally discovered Daniel House who was promising as a wing starting alongside Harden / Pul. As his 45 day eligibility eroded, the Rockets had their MLE to sign House to a multi year deal, but they refused, over tax concerns. The short handed Rockets literally sat this kid, a starter, rather than pay him a guaranteed contract. They claimed they needed it to be the most attractive buyout destination, which they never ended up using.

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/20/houston-rockets-danuel-house-contract-explained/

In other cost cutting news, Rockets had to sacrifice promising 2nd round pick De'Anthony Melton to turn the Ryan Anderson contract into an expiring contract (knight), so it could be dumped easier at a later time. That time came at the trade deadline, when the Rockets had to give up their 2018 1st to get under the tax and move Knight. They got Shumps smaller contract in this deal.

Fast forward to the offseason, where the nightmare scenario happened. Westbrook became available. Morey never wanted Westbrook, he is as an anti Morey player, as they come. But guess who stepped in?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/02/rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-tells-final-hours-of-paul-westbrook-deal/



This idiot, made the Rockets trade 4 future draft picks to downgrade from Paul to Westbrook. 4 picks! Now remember, Morey essentially never traded future picks, but in order to make this happen, we had to include 4 future picks. On top of that, this broke ass owner, had to beg Westbrook to restructure his payment schedule to be more favorable to the team

https://deadspin.com/russell-westbrook-restructured-his-contract-to-give-til-1837083665

We again passed on using our MLE and passed on resigning Shump, who while not a great player, could have been extremely useful for salary matching purposes in future trades. Instead, Morey, desperate to try and salvage a horrible situation, tried to creatively create a tradable contract with Nene's deal. This got immediate attention and was promptly rejected by the NBA.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854473-nba-players-association-rescind-part-of-nenes-2-year-20m-rockets-contract

He then decided to "get involved" in the coaching situation by gutting Dantoni's staff and not working out an extension, leading to more drama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tilman-fertitta-says-mike-d-203003975.html

Fast forward this deadline, and here we are again over the tax. And what do we do, use our pick to dump Green and Nene. Don't be fooled into thinking this was something different. We traded Capela for Covington, and used a pick to dump Green / Nene to duck the tax.

For those keeping track at home:

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And he is being kind, by not mentioning not using the MLEs and resigning key players, or using Melton and another 1st to avoid luxury tax savings.

And while generally being a terrible person, cheap, meddling, this is by far my favorite part of the story. Fertita has put his idiot son into a management position and makes Morey report to him.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/The-other-Fertitta-behind-the-Rockets-14058856.php

Daryl Morey, MIT grad, one of, if not the best GMs in the league, has to get the approval of a 24 year old before any of his moves.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to troll or pile on. All I ask is that this becomes known and repeated as soon as possible. We all know Dolan is awful, we all know Sarver is bad. Just make sure Fertita's name comes up if we are ever talking about the worst owners.

Edit - The mural

We have some murals in our arena, usually they redo them year over year.

Heres one from a few years ago
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Here is the first Tilman one
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He totally ran an all time great like Harden out of town. What did he get in return, a 29 year old injury ridden player who is not even all star level and has no interest in Re-signing in Houston.Oh yea, a bunch of late first rounders.
The package they got really needs to be discussed more openly. They got 4 picks. They got the first two picks from Brkln and Milw in 2022. Nothing. Neither should be lower than 22. They they get the Nets 2024 pick which is almost certainly out of the lotto even if it all comes apart for the Nets. The 2026 pick really could be decent depending on how the Nets reload during this period. But it seems as likely as not that that's a middling pick. So 3 late firsts and MAYBE a pick in 6.5 years that might be worth something.

As for players, they took on an expiring deal for Exum who is likely to be out for 2 mos due to injury, Kurucs, who had played himself out of the rotation THEN had a rather horrifying domestic issue come up, and an expiring Dipo who is already demanding a trade out of Houston.

Literally the best asset they got is probably 13 years old right now.

And LOL at the swaps meaning anything. Fertitta is proving himself to be the worst professional sports owner since prime Sterling. He could have had an All NBA player but was too petty to trade Harden to Morey.

Let's put it like this: who would rather have the picks and swaps OKC got for the CP3/Russ trade than what Hou got for Harden? I sure would. Meaning Fertitta traded CP3 and Harden for the corpse of John Wall.

I feel bad for any Rox fans. Fertitta has ALREADY turned the Rox from the second best team in the league, and frankly they were unlucky not to win a title, into the worst franchise in the league in just 2 years. And its gonna get worse. They dont even control their own picks in 4 of the next 5 drafts.

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Post#113 » by MemphisX » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:52 am

This is why I don't blame Harden for going scorched earth. Some of his best years were wasted so this guy could save a buck and not pay the luxury tax. Harden extended with Les Alexander. He didn't signup to be on a worst version of the Knicks (at least Dolan will spend money).
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Post#114 » by LarsV8 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:16 am

Well guys, its been over a year and what a year it has been!

Figure it was time for an update since our team President quit out of the blue, today.

Our league leading playoff streak of 8 years was broken last night.

Our president wasn't fired, he didn't retire, he quit.
Our GM wasn't fired, he didn't retire, he quit.
Our Coach wasn't fired, he didn't retire, he quit.
Our generational player demanded a trade.
Our other "Max" player demanded a trade.

As such, we had vacancies for coach and GM, and we literally went with the budget option in both cases, first timers for both spots.

As part of the Harden trade, we passed on Jared Allen and Caris LeVert, because they were too expensive and instead opted for washed up Victor Olipipo, who every one and their mother knew was completely done in an attempt to try and be a competitive team. After showing absolutely nothing, we tried to extend Olidipo for some unknown reason, which he laughably rejected.

Some people think we are tanking, we are not, they are actively "trying" to win, but we are just awful at it.

By the way, one day after I originally wrote this piece, looks what popped up:

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/tillman-fertitta-isnt-cheap-11438546

In fact, Fertita expects the Rockets will only be bad for one or two seasons...somehow...with zero cap space. I guess no injuries or something?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/30/tilman-fertitta-absence-of-fans-lessens-impact-of-rockets-lost-season/

We are the worst team in the league and now have a 50% chance of forfeiting a top ten pick to OKC. Oh yea, we will also be terrible for quite some time and owe OKC our 24 and 26 FRPs (top 4 protected). Highly likely at least one, if not both of those convey.

We will be paying John Wall 47 million dollars, two years from now.

Hard to imagine a team in worse shape going forward.

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Post#115 » by pacers33 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:28 am

Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?
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Post#116 » by TinmanZBoy » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:44 am

Tillman for president!
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Post#117 » by Metallikid » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:16 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:Tillman for president!


An account from two months before Fertitta bought the Houston Rockets with the name TinmanZBoy.

You think we're all idiots, don't you Tillman?
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Post#118 » by jwise44 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:42 am

chuck_wagon44 wrote:Rockets fans are such homers they're not objective about their own team.

I went through and read this thread and all anyone said was fertitta sucks

What were we not objective about?
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Post#119 » by brutalitops » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:58 am

It was some pretty average cheap moves back then, but im really suprised and impressed on how bad that organisation has become in such a short amount of time
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Post#120 » by Torgeir Bryn » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:02 pm

pacers33 wrote:Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?


Shut Up and Listen: The Movie :lol:

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