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Re: Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread 

Post#1161 » by keevsnick1 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:54 am

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yeleven11 wrote:With the way Semi and Grant has been playing, and depending on how Langford and Nesmith look by the trade deadline, it seems more and more likely that we keep the TPE for the offseason and if we make a deadline trade, I would expect it to be relatively small (Theis for a wing) instead of one that actually involves a big salary unless someone like Beal becomes available. I think until Beal gets traded, most teams will hold onto their assets

One thing to bear in mind is that it's not absolutely crucial to hang onto that TPE for big-name hunting. If a small deal comes along for depth pieces, it might be worth it just to use up a portion of it.

The reason is that if we want to trade for a big-name piece later on, we, for the first time in ages, actually have the salaries to do it. Smart + Thompson already lets you take back almost exactly as much as the TPE. Smart + Thompson + a young player on next year's salaries begins to get you to a level where you could salary match just about any player in the league aside from the top 10 or so contracts. (And, there's always the chance Kemba could be in the picture as well.)

If you're really big-big-name hunting, losing Smart isn't any kind of deal breaker. So, we can get big deals done any time we want, with or without the TPE. Thus, if a smaller opportunity comes along to improve the team a bit, using part of the TPE, there's no sense in passing it up just to preserve the wholeness of the TPE.


The benefit of holding onto the TPE until the offseason is that we will not be hardcapped and we can actually use the full 28.5m without having to send out salary. Bigger tax bill obviously but there is more flexibility.


On the other hand between Kemba/Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Thompson the Celtics will have roughly 115 million committed next year. Just filling out the remaining 10 spots with minimum salaries would put the Celtics at or over the tax line (and RWill, GWIll, Pritchard, Nemsith, Langford all will make over the min). So using all of the full 28.5 million makes the Celtics an incredibly expensive team next year, like 30+ million over easily. I just dont think thats a salary level the Celtics will go.

For that reason its not likely to happen. Its more likely we use some of it this year, but still stay below the tax. Maybe just to absorb salary and save another team tax dollars in exchange for an asset. Or maybe an older veteran we may not resign. Then we use whatever remains to improve next years team. Either way, I be shocked if the Celtics use the TPE to add more than say 20 million to next years salary or to go over the tax this year.
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Re: Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread 

Post#1162 » by themoneyteam2 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:13 am

Do we think the TPE will be used at the trade deadline or wait till the offseason?

Seems to me like the team has a pretty big hole to fill the Hayward departure. Obviously Tatum and Brown are legit and leading the squad and a healthy Kemba will add a lot but seems like they’re missing that 12-16 PPG scorer on the wing to complement those three.

I may be in minority but feel like if they had Hayward (or someone similar) they could legitimately make the Finals this year. Would hate to see Ainge waste another good chance at a Finals appearance like he did last year not bringing in any vets and help on the bench
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Post#1163 » by ParticleMan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:27 am

I don’t think we will use the TPE at all. Or at least not for a major player.

There’s a reason the TPEs are seldom used. If a team wants to give up a top player for essentially nothing in return, that player probably has major red flags, or a horrible contract. It has to be a really perfect storm for that to be worth sinking a decent fraction of our cap into.
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Re: Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread 

Post#1164 » by 31to6 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:00 pm

Aaron Gordon at the deadline. Covid insurance.
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Post#1165 » by robdog_5 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:26 pm

31to6 wrote:Aaron Gordon at the deadline. Covid insurance.


Gordon and Barnes are my 2 favorites. Because I think their defensive flexibility. Both have varying games on offense and Barnes is a much more consistent shooter but Gordon is much better in transition. Both could have a nice role as a 6th/7th man and help out.

However right now Semi/Grant are similar type players on defense and are holding their own on offense. Maybe its wise to not just get another version of them. (Although Barnes and Gordon have a much higher ceiling and can dominate a game in some flashes.)


Next would probably be Fournier mainly because his contract (FA after season) ability and ability to shoot.

Overall I'm not sure how much is needed at the moment considering Semi is playing best basketball of career. Is it fools gold or has he made the step up to solid role player?
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Post#1166 » by hugepatsfan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:32 pm

Theis/Langford/Edwards/draft picks to WAS for Bertans. This works salary matching wise and does not take the TPE. They'd throw us their last player or two into our smaller TPEs to help fill out the roster. Like Anthony Gill and Anzejs Pasecniks.

Kemba / Pritchard / Teague... Waters
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Tatum / Ojeleye / Green
Bertans / G Williams / Gill
Thompson / R Williams / Pasecniks... Fall

That still preserves the TPE for the offseason where you try to get Barnes, who I still really like

Kemba / Pritchard
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Ojeleye
Barnes / Bertans
Thompson / R Williams

Probably not financially realistic but I'd be insanely happy if we can open next year with that as our 10 man rotation.
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Post#1167 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:35 pm

Would trade any pick and any player not named Brown, Tatum or Pritchard over to Washington for a Beal and Bertans package.

This team has so much dead weight on its roster and that includes Kemba, Theis and even Smart.
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Post#1168 » by TGW » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:53 pm

BigTrade92 wrote:Would trade any pick and any player not named Brown, Tatum or Pritchard over to Washington for a Beal and Bertans package.

This team has so much dead weight on its roster and that includes Kemba, Theis and even Smart.


So you want to trade dead weight for Beal? Sounds plausible.
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Post#1169 » by bucknersrevenge » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:06 pm

BigTrade92 wrote:Would trade any pick and any player not named Brown, Tatum or Pritchard over to Washington for a Beal and Bertans package.

This team has so much dead weight on its roster and that includes Kemba, Theis and even Smart.


If we're calling out trades that have no chance of happening, I just assume go for Lebron.
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Post#1170 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:48 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:Do we think the TPE will be used at the trade deadline or wait till the offseason?

Seems to me like the team has a pretty big hole to fill the Hayward departure. Obviously Tatum and Brown are legit and leading the squad and a healthy Kemba will add a lot but seems like they’re missing that 12-16 PPG scorer on the wing to complement those three.

I may be in minority but feel like if they had Hayward (or someone similar) they could legitimately make the Finals this year. Would hate to see Ainge waste another good chance at a Finals appearance like he did last year not bringing in any vets and help on the bench


Ainge has forced himself to put the tpe on hold by using all these picks, he has to find out what he has in them and hopefully build a little trade value. Honestly it looks like he’s mismanaged this roster, outside lil PP these picks have looked lastluster while Teague and TT haven’t really stabilized anything.
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Post#1171 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:50 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:Would trade any pick and any player not named Brown, Tatum or Pritchard over to Washington for a Beal and Bertans package.

This team has so much dead weight on its roster and that includes Kemba, Theis and even Smart.


If we're calling out trades that have no chance of happening, I just assume go for Lebron.


Yeah you just listed the only three players that have any type of value. Smart and Theis did before the season but have both been atrocious to start. Ainge should have moved Smart when his value peaked.
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Post#1172 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:53 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Theis/Langford/Edwards/draft picks to WAS for Bertans. This works salary matching wise and does not take the TPE. They'd throw us their last player or two into our smaller TPEs to help fill out the roster. Like Anthony Gill and Anzejs Pasecniks.

Kemba / Pritchard / Teague... Waters
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Tatum / Ojeleye / Green
Bertans / G Williams / Gill
Thompson / R Williams / Pasecniks... Fall

That still preserves the TPE for the offseason where you try to get Barnes, who I still really like

Kemba / Pritchard
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Ojeleye
Barnes / Bertans
Thompson / R Williams

Probably not financially realistic but I'd be insanely happy if we can open next year with that as our 10 man rotation.


Even with his bad contract Washington could get a better return. None of those players have positive value, even Theis has looked bad so far. They need to build some value in these guys if they want to move em in any type of trade.
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Post#1173 » by bisme37 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:05 pm

About the TPE... I know you can't make a trade that combines it with outgoing players, but can't you essentially do that anyway by simply making it more than one official trade?

Like, trade the TPE straight up for the star player we want. Then do a separate trade giving the other team players and picks in exchange for bad contracts or whatever.
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Post#1174 » by BK_2020 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:11 pm

TPE for a larger TPE, do it Ainge
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Post#1175 » by La Flame » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:14 pm

Could we get old man Aldridge for like Theis, tpe and a pick? At this point I'd be happy with that lol.
Barnes or Gordon would be awesome. Wilt's kid Otto too.
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Post#1176 » by reload141 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:32 am

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Post#1177 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:46 am

After watching the Theis/Thompson/G Williams crew I’m ready for Ainge to make a big move to address the frontcourt. Time is now to be bold. That Celtics trio will get abused in the playoffs.

TimeLord is still the wildcard
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Post#1178 » by K For Three » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:25 am

I think everyone is getting traded for everyone.

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Post#1179 » by K For Three » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:28 am

Celts17Pride wrote:After watching the Theis/Thompson/G Williams crew I’m ready for Ainge to make a big move to address the frontcourt. Time is now to be bold. That Celtics trio will get abused in the playoffs.

TimeLord is still the wildcard

You might be waiting a while. I don't think anything ever happens.
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Post#1180 » by GoGreen » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:31 am

A frontcourt move? We had it. Danny didn't pull the trigger because he got cute. Hayward even allowed Danny to extend the deadline to get a deal done, and he still couldn't.

The Hornets didn't "swoop in" until Danny took his sweet time. Turner for Hayward was there on day 1.

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