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What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#741 » by Jaqua92 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:53 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:I don't think Jaylen will ever be able to get to the line at the elite rate Butler does, so he really needs to be a better shooter to impact the game at a similar level. If Jay is a 38-40% 3PT shooter in his prime, that would offset the FT disparity, but just as importantly he needs to keep developing that playmaking instinct. It's coming along this year, as it is clear his assist rate is up while ALSO keeping his turnover rate at an elite level. Jimmy didn't get his assist rate up over 20% like Jaylen is currently at until his 5th year in the league at age 26 (yes, SSS of 3 games, but still). If Jaylen keeps making steady progress there, he will push himself into becoming a top 15-25 player in the league.

Jaylen has improved basically every year he has been on the floor. He's a hard worker, he's stayed healthy, and his athletic abilities are nearly second to none. I won't doubt he still has plenty of room left to grow.
I think saying that he basically has improved each year as an understatement. He's made somewhat major progress each season. I'm one of the biggest advocates for tempering expectations and I'm lower on almost every single player than the general consensus of this board is. However, I think Jaylen is legit.

Assuming Kemba settles in at #3, Brown will likely be an all-star this year

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#742 » by Jaqua92 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:55 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Jaylen should be running around/thru traffic, curling off screens, going baseline to baseline, essentially what Ray Allen used to do. If you move Jaylen around it's going to create a mismatches above and beyond what he normally has, that I trust him to take advantage of. Brad has had him standing stationary outside the 3 pt line since he was drafted. We need more posts, more catch and one dribble drives and less standing around or dribbling more than once, from Jaylen. Play to his strengths. Not doing this is a major reason why I feel Brad is a system coach. He has Jaylen and his replacements doing the same thing despite them having massive talent disparities. Brad holds Jaylen back as much as his terrible handle and BBIQ does.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#743 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:18 pm

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BostonCouchGM wrote:Jaylen should be running around/thru traffic, curling off screens, going baseline to baseline, essentially what Ray Allen used to do. If you move Jaylen around it's going to create a mismatches above and beyond what he normally has, that I trust him to take advantage of. Brad has had him standing stationary outside the 3 pt line since he was drafted. We need more posts, more catch and one dribble drives and less standing around or dribbling more than once, from Jaylen. Play to his strengths. Not doing this is a major reason why I feel Brad is a system coach. He has Jaylen and his replacements doing the same thing despite them having massive talent disparities. Brad holds Jaylen back as much as his terrible handle and BBIQ does.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#744 » by playa-hater » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:16 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:Jaylen should be running around/thru traffic, curling off screens, going baseline to baseline, essentially what Ray Allen used to do. If you move Jaylen around it's going to create a mismatches above and beyond what he normally has, that I trust him to take advantage of. Brad has had him standing stationary outside the 3 pt line since he was drafted. We need more posts, more catch and one dribble drives and less standing around or dribbling more than once, from Jaylen. Play to his strengths. Not doing this is a major reason why I feel Brad is a system coach. He has Jaylen and his replacements doing the same thing despite them having massive talent disparities. Brad holds Jaylen back as much as his terrible handle and BBIQ does.
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agreed


not trying to be funny, but what exactly is Brad's system?
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#745 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:43 am

playa-hater wrote:
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Jaqua92 wrote:And there it is.

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agreed


not trying to be funny, but what exactly is Brad's system?


Park guy(s) in the corner behind the 3pt line whether they can shoot or not or whether that is limiting the player (Jaylen) to provide spacing for high screens (IT, Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Smart) with the bigs diving (Theis, Williams) or pick and pop (Horford and Baynes). Once a ball handler penetrates he's got shooters to kick out to when help defense comes.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#746 » by Bluewhale » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:33 am

Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?
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Post#747 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:07 am

Bluewhale wrote:Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?


It certainly could happen. I'd say the CONDITIONAL probability of it happening this year, conditional upon Jaylen staying healthy and the pandemic not doing anything too crazy to schedules or to player availability beyond what is already assumed, is something like 30%.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#748 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 pm

Not going to put a ceiling on him but the fact his assist rate has doubled so far shows a lot of progress as a playmaker.

Hard to project future stats due to rosters and different roles but assuming he’s the #2 guy in Boston I don’t see why he can’t put up 26/6/4 on 45/40/75 splits in his prime. Even those numbers be may too conservative honestly which is crazy to say. He just keeps getting better!
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#749 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:27 am

Bluewhale wrote:Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?


so you feel he'll be a top 6 guard in the entire league? (2 guards per all-NBA team X 3)

Doncic
Harden
Curry
Lillard
Beal
Kyrie
Paul
Booker
Mitchell
Murray
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Brogdon
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Morant

I think spots 1-5 are pretty set with Luka, Harden, Curry, Lillard and Beal for the next few years. He'll be battling it out with lots of very deserving players for the last spot. NBA media seemingly loves him so there's a chance I guess. There's a lot of "stars" on teams that don't have another all-star he'd need to beat out. It'd be one thing if his numbers were head and shoulders above the rest but everyone on this list is putting up very good numbers this season. He'd have to keep up this hot shooting for the entire season imho.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#750 » by Floody100 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:54 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Bluewhale wrote:Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?


so you feel he'll be a top 6 guard in the entire league? (2 guards per all-NBA team X 3)

Doncic
Harden
Curry
Lillard
Beal
Kyrie
Paul
Booker
Mitchell
Murray
LaVine
Westbrook
Simmons
George
Lowry
Brogdon
Oladipo
Trae
McCollum
Fox
Morant

I think spots 1-5 are pretty set with Luka, Harden, Curry, Lillard and Beal for the next few years. He'll be battling it out with lots of very deserving players for the last spot. NBA media seemingly loves him so there's a chance I guess. There's a lot of "stars" on teams that don't have another all-star he'd need to beat out. It'd be one thing if his numbers were head and shoulders above the rest but everyone on this list is putting up very good numbers this season. He'd have to keep up this hot shooting for the entire season imho.


I’d pick him ahead of these players at this point
Paul
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#751 » by Shak_Celts » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:04 am

I'd rather he not get chosen for anything. piss him off, it will probably end better for us!
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#752 » by Wes-J » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:10 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Bluewhale wrote:Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?


so you feel he'll be a top 6 guard in the entire league? (2 guards per all-NBA team X 3)

Doncic
Harden
Curry
Lillard
Beal
Kyrie
Paul
Booker
Mitchell
Murray
LaVine
Westbrook
Simmons
George
Lowry
Brogdon
Oladipo
Trae
McCollum
Fox
Morant

I think spots 1-5 are pretty set with Luka, Harden, Curry, Lillard and Beal for the next few years. He'll be battling it out with lots of very deserving players for the last spot. NBA media seemingly loves him so there's a chance I guess. There's a lot of "stars" on teams that don't have another all-star he'd need to beat out. It'd be one thing if his numbers were head and shoulders above the rest but everyone on this list is putting up very good numbers this season. He'd have to keep up this hot shooting for the entire season imho.


Doesn't necessarily have to qualify as a guard. Spots are flexible. He's basically a wing.

Besides if Siakam can make the 2nd team anything is possible.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#753 » by Gomes3PC » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:42 pm

Yeah, if the Cs are a top 2-3 seed consistently and Jaylen/Jayson are putting up 25+ PPG, they will get All-NBA votes.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#754 » by TommyPointGawd » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:49 pm

I didn't know where to post this but Jaylen has always seem to dislike Ben Simmons as much as I do lol. He had a comment in his first summer league saying something negative about Simmons I wish I could find it. Maybe it's a friendly rivalry but I think they have a thing.

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#755 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:53 pm

Wes-J wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
Bluewhale wrote:Let's be realistic here.

Brown will be selected in All NBA team and get his 8 million incentive in his 115 million contract?


so you feel he'll be a top 6 guard in the entire league? (2 guards per all-NBA team X 3)

Doncic
Harden
Curry
Lillard
Beal
Kyrie
Paul
Booker
Mitchell
Murray
LaVine
Westbrook
Simmons
George
Lowry
Brogdon
Oladipo
Trae
McCollum
Fox
Morant

I think spots 1-5 are pretty set with Luka, Harden, Curry, Lillard and Beal for the next few years. He'll be battling it out with lots of very deserving players for the last spot. NBA media seemingly loves him so there's a chance I guess. There's a lot of "stars" on teams that don't have another all-star he'd need to beat out. It'd be one thing if his numbers were head and shoulders above the rest but everyone on this list is putting up very good numbers this season. He'd have to keep up this hot shooting for the entire season imho.


Doesn't necessarily have to qualify as a guard. Spots are flexible. He's basically a wing.


True. But that list has LeBron and Butler at forward. LeBron, Giannis, Durant, Kawhi and Tatum would seem to be ahead of Brown at forward, along with AD in years that he isn't counted as a center instead, with a lot more guys being in the competitive mix (Zion, PG, Ingram, Butler in this version, ...). So things are really, really competitive no matter what positions you assign.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#757 » by jmr07019 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:42 pm

TommyPointGawd wrote:I didn't know where to post this but Jaylen has always seem to dislike Ben Simmons as much as I do lol. He had a comment in his first summer league saying something negative about Simmons I wish I could find it. Maybe it's a friendly rivalry but I think they have a thing.

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Post#758 » by BK_2020 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:58 pm

I don't get why Jaylen feels so smug about that move. Simmons played him well Jaylen just hit a tough, ill-advised, never should be taken shot because he couldn't beat Simmons off the dribble and he doesn't have the vision to hit wide open Javonte in the corner.
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Post#759 » by bisme37 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:59 pm

TommyPointGawd wrote:I didn't know where to post this but Jaylen has always seem to dislike Ben Simmons as much as I do lol. He had a comment in his first summer league saying something negative about Simmons I wish I could find it. Maybe it's a friendly rivalry but I think they have a thing.

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I don't know who hates whom but that was a really awesome move. Awesome to see Jaylen get better and better at getting and making his own shot.
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Post#760 » by bisme37 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm

BK_2020 wrote:I don't get why Jaylen feels so smug about that move. Simmons played him well Jaylen just hit a tough, ill-advised, never should be taken shot because he couldn't beat Simmons off the dribble and he doesn't have the vision to hit wide open Javonte in the corner.


It's fascinating how two people (you and I in this instance) can watch the same exact thing and come away with completely opposite reactions.

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