2021 NBA Draft

[MemphisX]

ridiculous take

I think a team would still take a chance on him but I could see where he would choose to come back and try to improve his draft stock.

Going back would be smart for his game, but maybe not his pockets. I'd like to see him return for a 2nd year, but he could also declare and spend time in the G-League.

Never understood why people think going back into a bad situation will make things better. Except for the horrendous PR hit he would take and slander he would get in the draft process, his best out would be to drop out of school and start draft prep.

[clyde21]

yea, going back to Kentucky will do nothing for Boston, at this point players going to Kentucky seems to be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to, almost all of them lose stock when they go...Keldon, Quickley, Hagans, Montgomery, Whitney, some end up turning out well some not, but I'm not sure who was the last player that Cal actually HELPED improve the stock of...maybe Herro? and that was all Herro because he's just a stud and Cal did everything to actually suppress him at Kentucky.

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

[crows2]

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

[crows2]

So these guys watched these dudes in HS and AAU but 10 games into a disjointed college process, they are done with them.

If that is the case, stop talking about HS dudes at all because I can't believe a damn thing you say. Same dudes who said Reddish was trash.

Just wait until they get to college if your HS evaluations are worthless.

You say that even though "Reddish is trash" looks pretty accurate thus far.

lol no it doesn't

He’s still statistically one of the worst players in the league this season. That might change as he gets more experience, but he’s still certified trash currently.

[God Squad]

You say that even though "Reddish is trash" looks pretty accurate thus far.

lol no it doesn't

He’s still statistically one of the worst players in the league this season. That might change as he gets more experience, but he’s still certified trash currently.

His efficiency is terrible. I'm trying to flip him in fantasy.

[babyjax13]

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

His players thrive in the NBA because he has the best recruiting classes year after year and he's good at individual player development. He, however, is not a good game manager. A lot of his players likely would be drafted higher if they were on teams that were oriented around them (Quickley is probably a good example of this). If I were an elite prospect, I would not go to Kentucky or Duke, I'd go to Gonzaga.

[babyjax13]

yea, going back to Kentucky will do nothing for Boston, at this point players going to Kentucky seems to be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to, almost all of them lose stock when they go...Keldon, Quickley, Hagans, Montgomery, Whitney, some end up turning out well some not, but I'm not sure who was the last player that Cal actually HELPED improve the stock of...maybe Herro? and that was all Herro because he's just a stud and Cal did everything to actually suppress him at Kentucky.

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

It didn't help PJ at all, he would have gotten drafted in about the same place (if not higher) elsewhere. He was really underutilized.

[clyde21]

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

yea im sure "his players thriving in the NBA" has nothing do with the fact that they are all 5* recruits and all Americans.

and no, not Quickley. going back to school didn't really help Quickleys stock at all.

[Catchall]

UK normally gets a top-5 recruiting class and a lot of national attention. I think that's their appeal as much as anything else. If Marcus Bagley was playing for UK instead of ASU, he'd get more media attention and be talked about as a top-20 pick, imo.

[karkinos]

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

yea im sure "his players thriving in the NBA" has nothing do with the fact that they are all 5* recruits and all Americans.

and no, not Quickley. going back to school didn't really help Quickleys stock at all.

so you think quickley still would've been a first round pick in 2019?
i doubt it.

[Catchall]

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

yea im sure "his players thriving in the NBA" has nothing do with the fact that they are all 5* recruits and all Americans.

and no, not Quickley. going back to school didn't really help Quickleys stock at all.

so you think quickley still would've been a first round pick in 2019?
i doubt it.

Quickley was probably going to be a late-first or early second-round pick regardless.

[clyde21]

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

yea im sure "his players thriving in the NBA" has nothing do with the fact that they are all 5* recruits and all Americans.

and no, not Quickley. going back to school didn't really help Quickleys stock at all.

so you think quickley still would've been a first round pick in 2019?
i doubt it.

yes -- Quickley was still projected as a second rounder by the vast majority of outlets even after coming back. it didn't change at all for him. the only thing that changed was that the Knicks liked him enough to take him at the end of the first, but that could've been any other team as well had he come out after his freshmen year.

we have a long history proving this...there is no need for someone like Boston to go back to Kentucky.

[clyde21]

UK normally gets a top-5 recruiting class and a lot of national attention. I think that's their appeal as much as anything else. If Marcus Bagley was playing for UK instead of ASU, he'd get more media attention and be talked about as a top-20 pick, imo.

not if he's having a **** year at UK like everyone else is right now.

[karkinos]

yea im sure "his players thriving in the NBA" has nothing do with the fact that they are all 5* recruits and all Americans.

and no, not Quickley. going back to school didn't really help Quickleys stock at all.

so you think quickley still would've been a first round pick in 2019?
i doubt it.

Quickley was probably going to be a late-first or early second-round pick regardless.

bro keldon johnson was the 29th pick. it is highly unlikely he would have gotten drafted in the first round.
there is not a lot of wiggle room

going in the first round is a much bigger deal than getting signed as a 2nd round pick
i would not lump late first-early second together like it doesn't matter. it does. staying an extra year in college to lock in a first round contract absolutely matters.

[clyde21]

so you think quickley still would've been a first round pick in 2019?
i doubt it.

Quickley was probably going to be a late-first or early second-round pick regardless.

bro keldon johnson was the 29th pick. it is highly unlikely he would have gotten drafted in the first round.
there is not a lot of wiggle room

going in the first round is a much bigger deal than getting signed as a 2nd round pick
i would not lump late first-early second together like it doesn't matter. it does. staying an extra year in college to lock in a first round contract absolutely matters.

no it's not, in fact a lot of players to prefer to go undrafted than be the 40th pick because they get to actually choose their landing spots, it doesn't matter at all. there's very little difference between being drafted 30th or 40th.

and you act like he came back and became a top10 pick...he was the 25th pick and that's AFTER Knicks traded up with OKC to grab him, if the Knicks hadn't fallin in love with him he could've easily slipped to the 2nd round anyways.

[karkinos]

Quickley was probably going to be a late-first or early second-round pick regardless.

bro keldon johnson was the 29th pick. it is highly unlikely he would have gotten drafted in the first round.
there is not a lot of wiggle room

going in the first round is a much bigger deal than getting signed as a 2nd round pick
i would not lump late first-early second together like it doesn't matter. it does. staying an extra year in college to lock in a first round contract absolutely matters.

there's very little difference between being drafted 30th or 40th.

we'll agree to disagree

first round contracts are guaranteed
second round contracts guarantee usually 2 years but some are less

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/10/in-the-money-second-round-picks-cash-in-guaranteed-contracts-at-exceedingly-high-rates/

In the past two seasons, every college player that was selected among the top 50 picks — a total of 30 of which came in the second round — received a guaranteed contract. Of those 30, 22 were given a two-year guaranteed deal.

so basically in 2 years, 30 second round picks got guaranteed deals, and even those were only 2 years.
that averages out to 15 second round players per year. if there are 30 players per round, that basically is a toss up to get a guaranteed deal.

the finer details between being a first and second round pick matter. maybe not to most people reading the forum, but for players it is definitely a bigger deal. to say quickley going back didn't matter is ignoring the fact that despite an awesome season people on this board were STILL predicting him to go in the 2nd round. yet somehow ya'll think he is just as valuable as a freshman? lol what? a 5 star freshman coming off the bench is worth the same as SEC player of the year? ok.
he might not have had 100% odds of being a first round pick this year, but his odds were definitely better considering his teammate was drafted 29th in 2019.

[clyde21]

you're completely missing the point, Quickley was never a guaranteed first rounder because he came back, he was a first rounder only because the Knicks liked him enough to take him 25th (which could've happened had he come out as a FS), otherwise he could've easily slipped to the 2nd round...the idea that these players improve their stock when they return to Kentucky is patently false. that really only happened to PJ in recent memory.

what's happening to Keion Brooks right now in his soph year? what about Hagans/Montgomery last year? Nick Richards and Wenyen Gabriel before that? Isaiah Briscoe? the entire point of going to Kentucky if you're a 5* guy is to be a 1AD, rarely do these guys that stick around end up going higher for sticking around.

Boston/Clarke/Jackson should all leave to the draft the minute the college season is over. there's no point in any of them returning.

[clyde21]

only player where I remember it REALLY helping out returning to Kentucky the last few years was PJ.

Don’t even have to go back 2 years to PJ. Literally Quickley last year.

I don’t get the hate for Kentucky and Cal. A lot of his players seem to thrive when they get to the NBA.

His players thrive in the NBA because he has the best recruiting classes year after year and he's good at individual player development. He, however, is not a good game manager. A lot of his players likely would be drafted higher if they were on teams that were oriented around them (Quickley is probably a good example of this). If I were an elite prospect, I would not go to Kentucky or Duke, I'd go to Gonzaga.

there is no point in going to Duke/Kentucky at this point...I am not sure the last prospect that either of these schools REALLY helped...guys like Zion/Cam/RJ would've been drafted high regardless of where they went (in fact I think all playing together at Duke kinda inhibited them in some ways)...look at what's happening to Jalen Johnson this year vs. a guy like Greg Brown at Texas...same thing for Kentucky really at this point.

if I am big time time recruit I am going the G League route most likely anyways, but if I wanted to go to college for a year I'd pick a few other schools before I even think about the UK/Duke...Gonzaga is one, Auburn, Texas, Villanova are others, and maybe even schools like Tennessee and Baylor too.

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