Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[thelead]

Fit cannot be entered into the equation. IDGAF about anyone's feelings. I'm tired of this ish. We NEED to grab a star out of this draft if we're lucky enough to land a top 5 pick.

[RookieStar]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

[MagicFan101]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

[zaymon]

Let’s fire this up. Who’s our best fit in top 5 picks?

If we trade Gordon than Cunningham, if we trade Fournier than Green, if we dont believe in Fultz than Suggs.

Your answer is based on fit.

Your answer is a perfect example of the absolute worst way to approach a high draft selection.

The question was about fit so i answered about fit. What it has to do with draft approach ?

[VFX]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

Kinda like drafting Bamba at 6 while we have Vucevic?

If Orlando managed to get into the top 3 and they took Mobley over Cade, Suggs, and Green, I’d probably choose a new team to follow.

Not saying the idea you’re espousing is incorrect. It would just mean that this FO has ultimately learned nothing of their very recent failures.

[MagicFan101]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

Kinda like drafting Bamba at 6 while we have Vucevic?

If Orlando managed to get into the top 3 and they took Mobley over Cade, Suggs, and Green, I’d probably choose a new team to follow.

Not saying the idea you’re espousing is incorrect. It would just mean that this FO has ultimately learned nothing of their very recent failures.

a) Mobley is much more of a F/C than Bamba and could play alongside Vuc or slide to C once Vuc moves on.

b) If we had the option of Mobley or one of the guards, at this stage I do not see Mobley as a the BPA. I don’t see a world where my view changes over the process. So if we passed on Suggs, Cade or Green then I would be furious as well.

Mobley to Orlando only happens if we land at the #4 or 5 pick in my opinion.

[RookieStar]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

That's just it. I have seen Mobley and Kuminga, like Green, hasn't shown the goods yet. But what I have seen of Cade, Suggs AND Mobley, there is a clear cut difference between Suggs/Cade AND Mobley.

Then again that is just me. I'm not a scout,pro talent evaluator etc etc as I assume like yourself.

AND If we follow trend,news and everything else about Green and Kuminga, Green is nearer to Suggs/Cade tier while Kuminga is below them with Mobley. Kuminga and Green's evaluation could change once we see them.

[MagicFan101]

I agree fit should be the last thing on anyone's mind IF we get the top choice... BUT what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green ( so far and depending on his showing in the GL next month ) those guys more or less play the same position.

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

That's just it. I have seen Mobley and Kuminga, like Green, hasn't shown the goods yet. But what I have seen of Cade, Suggs AND Mobley, there is a clear cut difference between Suggs/Cade AND Mobley.

Then again that is just me. I'm not a scout,pro talent evaluator etc etc as I assume like yourself.

AND If we follow trend,news and everything else about Green and Kuminga, Green is nearer to Suggs/Cade tier while Kuminga is below them with Mobley. Kuminga and Green's evaluation could change once we see them.

I guess I don’t follow what you’re trying to say.

Your original post said: “what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green” while referencing fit and these guy playing the same position.

I suggest simply scouting well and taking the guy with the highest ceiling among whoever is left when we are on the clock. There isn’t a science to this. Unless there is a Lebron available the answer to this will change depending who you ask.

[RookieStar]

So? Why does it matter if the available prospects play the same position?

Giannis and Gordon play the same position. Does that fact alone make the decision of who to pick for your team difficult?

We need a franchise changing star at any position. I don’t care who currently occupies that position. Add Mobley, Kuminga and anyone else who rises the mocks to your list of options.

That's just it. I have seen Mobley and Kuminga, like Green, hasn't shown the goods yet. But what I have seen of Cade, Suggs AND Mobley, there is a clear cut difference between Suggs/Cade AND Mobley.

Then again that is just me. I'm not a scout,pro talent evaluator etc etc as I assume like yourself.

AND If we follow trend,news and everything else about Green and Kuminga, Green is nearer to Suggs/Cade tier while Kuminga is below them with Mobley. Kuminga and Green's evaluation could change once we see them.

I guess I don’t follow what you’re trying to say.

Your original post said: “what can you do when the top choices are Suggs/Cade/Green” while referencing fit and these guy playing the same position.

I suggest simply scouting well and taking the guy with the highest ceiling among whoever is left when we are on the clock. There isn’t a science to this. Unless there is a Lebron available the answer to this will change depending who you ask.

I think we werent on the same page. In context i was talking about the hypothetical scenario wherein we get the #1 pick. And people here were talking about fit.

I agree that fit should be the last thing on our.minds in this scenario wherein potential generational talents are being offered. However good or bad the top 3 choices ( green is based on hype and what little what we saw of him in h.s other tourneys) so thats what i meant in * what can you do *

Thus we probably should wait and see if anyone separates thenselves from the pack during the ncaa tourney and whatever GL has for its plan.

[jonbob17]

We have to take the best player. Nobody on our team you pick around. It's the mistake both Minnesota and to a lesser degree Golden State made this year.
Pick the best player and build around them. Assuming we have a top 5 pick, which is a giant assumption at this point.

[The Effect]

We have to take the best player. Nobody on our team you pick around. It's the mistake both Minnesota and to a lesser degree Golden State made this year.
Pick the best player and build around them. Assuming we have a top 5 pick, which is a giant assumption at this point.

The only way we dont pick in the top 5 is if
1 - this team goes all "major league" (yes i know im dating myself with that) and some how become great out of nowhere
2 - We get extremely unlucky in the lotto

Its hard to see this team winning more than 15-20 games the rest of the season with the way they are playing and the way the injuries are piling up, and that should get us a top 5 pick

[Rayshard7]

Trade AG for a mid 1st and try to get a bottom 5 record. Best case scenario we end up with Cade Cunningham and with the mid 1st draft one of Usman Guraba, BJ Boston or Corey Kispert.

Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony, MCW
Evan Fournier , Dwayne Bacon, BJ Boston
Cade Cunningham, Terrence Ross, MKG
Jonathan Isaac, Chuma Okeke, Paul Reed
Nikola Vucevic, Mo Bamba, Khem Birch

[GelbeWand09]

We have to take the best player. Nobody on our team you pick around. It's the mistake both Minnesota and to a lesser degree Golden State made this year.
Pick the best player and build around them. Assuming we have a top 5 pick, which is a giant assumption at this point.

The only way we dont pick in the top 5 is if
1 - this team goes all "major league" (yes i know im dating myself with that) and some how become great out of nowhere
2 - We get extremely unlucky in the lotto

Its hard to see this team winning more than 15-20 games the rest of the season with the way they are playing and the way the injuries are piling up, and that should get us a top 5 pick

But reality so far is, we are 6-7 (6th in the east) & we won & lost against the same kind of teams like last year. Evan missed the games we would have lost with him too, but probably comes back now for the games we usually win.
The east is horrible. I think about a top 5 pick when we trade our Vets, Vuc is injured or we start losing against a bunch of bad teams. Until this happens, i still expect a pick around 8-15 & the play in as the 8-10th place.

[pepe1991]

We are not sniffing near worst record with Vuc, Gordon, Ross, Evan.
Too much talent on this East.

Knicks suck, Bulls suck, Raptors suck, Pistons suck, Hawks suck, Wizards suck.

Add to that Rockets, Wolves, probably expecting OKC to keep doing everything to lose...

But if we trade Vuc, team will collapse.

Now, ofc, it won't be one and done sucking after we trade Vuc.

We will be beyond hopless this year and next year Fultz and Isaac will be rusty and won't go through camp. So that's anoter year of sucking.
That move will move our projected "good" years to 2023 and beyond. Ofc in this scenario everybody: Evan, Ross, Gordon, hopefully Fultz has to be removed.

But i don't trust this front office to build a team, so i would let them trade for picks (Vuc, Gordon, Evan) and fire them in offseason and hire new, young blood. Somebody that has understanding of modern basketball.

[basketballRob]

We are not sniffing near worst record with Vuc, Gordon, Ross, Evan.
Too much talent on this East.

Knicks suck, Bulls suck, Raptors suck, Pistons suck, Hawks suck, Wizards suck.

Add to that Rockets, Wolves, probably expecting OKC to keep doing everything to lose...

But if we trade Vuc, team will collapse.

Now, ofc, it won't be one and done sucking after we trade Vuc.

We will be beyond hopless this year and next year Fultz and Isaac will be rusty and won't go through camp. So that's anoter year of sucking.
That move will move our projected "good" years to 2023 and beyond. Ofc in this scenario everybody: Evan, Ross, Gordon, hopefully Fultz has to be removed.

But i don't trust this front office to build a team, so i would let them trade for picks (Vuc, Gordon, Evan) and fire them in offseason and hire new, young blood. Somebody that has understanding of modern basketball.

We're 0-5 without Fultz. We'll likely only win around 30% or less of our games, the rest of the season.

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[pepe1991]

We are not sniffing near worst record with Vuc, Gordon, Ross, Evan.
Too much talent on this East.

Knicks suck, Bulls suck, Raptors suck, Pistons suck, Hawks suck, Wizards suck.

Add to that Rockets, Wolves, probably expecting OKC to keep doing everything to lose...

But if we trade Vuc, team will collapse.

Now, ofc, it won't be one and done sucking after we trade Vuc.

We will be beyond hopless this year and next year Fultz and Isaac will be rusty and won't go through camp. So that's anoter year of sucking.
That move will move our projected "good" years to 2023 and beyond. Ofc in this scenario everybody: Evan, Ross, Gordon, hopefully Fultz has to be removed.

But i don't trust this front office to build a team, so i would let them trade for picks (Vuc, Gordon, Evan) and fire them in offseason and hire new, young blood. Somebody that has understanding of modern basketball.

This team will be the worst in the east without Fultz.

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LOL yea, his 25% FG, 41% TS and subpar defense is really missed.
Literally as soon as MCW and Evan return, we will be back at winning games vs bottom feeders .
Especially since we have $2,8M exception for injuried players, we will probably end up with vet PG at some point.


We will end up probably winning 25-28 games and by the shape of things, that will be enough for play in.

[jonbob17]

We have to take the best player. Nobody on our team you pick around. It's the mistake both Minnesota and to a lesser degree Golden State made this year.
Pick the best player and build around them. Assuming we have a top 5 pick, which is a giant assumption at this point.

The only way we dont pick in the top 5 is if
1 - this team goes all "major league" (yes i know im dating myself with that) and some how become great out of nowhere
2 - We get extremely unlucky in the lotto

Its hard to see this team winning more than 15-20 games the rest of the season with the way they are playing and the way the injuries are piling up, and that should get us a top 5 pick

They seem to be all in on this idea that winning "meaningful" games is somehow more important than anything else. In fact the only games we win are against subpar competition, and it has been that way for the last few years.

Doesn't seem like Clifford is willing to play any sort of games with the lineups. They give him a list of who is available and he plays them, and plays them hard. Unless they move guys we will continue to win against the other dregs. Remember as we get further into this season many more teams will be playing for draft position, and will be running G league teams out there. We will beat some of them, no matter how badly the FO wants to lose them at that point.

Even if we were to finish with the 5th worst record we still only have a 44% chance of a top 5 pick. You want to guarantee a top 5 pick you gotta have the worst record, and that takes commitment, and they would need to make that decision today.

This team is awful, but it is awful in a way that is still going to finish as the tenth seed or so in the East. That is unless the Front office steps in and makes some responsible trades, or further injuries limits the lineup.

[basketballRob]

We are not sniffing near worst record with Vuc, Gordon, Ross, Evan.
Too much talent on this East.

Knicks suck, Bulls suck, Raptors suck, Pistons suck, Hawks suck, Wizards suck.

Add to that Rockets, Wolves, probably expecting OKC to keep doing everything to lose...

But if we trade Vuc, team will collapse.

Now, ofc, it won't be one and done sucking after we trade Vuc.

We will be beyond hopless this year and next year Fultz and Isaac will be rusty and won't go through camp. So that's anoter year of sucking.
That move will move our projected "good" years to 2023 and beyond. Ofc in this scenario everybody: Evan, Ross, Gordon, hopefully Fultz has to be removed.

But i don't trust this front office to build a team, so i would let them trade for picks (Vuc, Gordon, Evan) and fire them in offseason and hire new, young blood. Somebody that has understanding of modern basketball.

This team will be the worst in the east without Fultz.

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LOL yea, his 25% FG, 41% TS and subpar defense is really missed.
Literally as soon as MCW and Evan return, we will be back at winning games vs bottom feeders .
Especially since we have $2,8M exception for injuried players, we will probably end up with vet PG at some point without Fultz.


We will end up probably winning 25-28 games and by the shape of things, that will be enough for play in.

we'll be lucky to win 20 games all year without Fultz.

[Husky1]

We will end up probably winning 25-28 games and by the shape of things, that will be enough for play in.[/quote] we'll be lucky to win 20 games all year without Fultz.[/quote]

I genuinely cannot see a path where we win more than 20 games. And I’m fine with that. As long as Cole/Bamba get burn.

[MagicFan101]

Who from this class looks capable of averaging 30 points per game?