Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[the_process]

Where is this Lowry trade ideas coming from?

PnR points per possession.

Lowry .86
Tobias 1.02
Milton 1.12
Maxey .96

If there’s anything, I’d trade Tobias and a couple of first round picks for Lowry.

I’d do something like..

Raps:
Tobias Harris

Wizards
Shake Milton
8M trade exemption
18M expiring
Raps 1st round pick
Raps 1st round pick
Sixers 2021 1st round pick

Sixers:
Lowry
Bradley Beal

So you think Raptors are trading Lowry (expiring) + 2 1st round picks for.... Tobias Harris (and his contract)? Really?

In a vacuum, yes. Because it’s much better than getting nothing.

But considering there’s more value you can get with that, like trading for Derozan, then No.

But either way, no way I’m trading for Lowry.
It’s a super lazy idea IMO.

The Raps won’t trade Lowry for Harris. They’d rather have the cap space. Unless you do Simmons and Harris for Siakam and Lowry. Which I would be fine with. Probably even be willing to add a 1st this year to that.

[youngcrev]

CHA gets Harris, Poirier, NYK 2021 2nd, PHI 2023 1st
PHI gets Zeller, Washington, Lowry, and Powell
TOR gets Green, Thybulle, Rozier, PHI 2021 1st

Lowry/Maxey
Curry/Milton/Powell/Joe/Mathis*
Simmons/Korkmaz/Ferguson
Washington/Scott/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Zeller

Lowry comes with a 3-60 extension.

20 million a year for Lowry? He will be 38 by the end of this contract? Did we not learn anything about Al Horford contract? Oh, and giving up our 1st round picks? Two of them?
Thank god we have Morey.

Huge difference. Lowry fits like a glove with this roster, he doesn’t duplicate your best player like Horford did. This year and next he will still be an All-Star caliber player. The third year you cross your fingers. The fourth year is the cost of locking him up before he hits FA this summer, Worst case scenario he’s a 20M useless expiring contract you can use to match salary in another trade.

As far as the picks go, dumping Harris is gonna cost. But here you could argue Washington and his shooting and the fact he will space the corner and won’t dribble is an upgrade over Tobias honestly. And he’s young and locked up so losing the pick hurts a lot less. I want my PG breaking down defenses, not my PF. That roster is far more optimized to work with Jo and Ben.

And then if you can trade Ben for a 2nd star you’re all set and an actual contender,

I dunno about giving him a 3 year deal, but yeah, it's nothing at all like Horford. He fits both positionally and stylistically. We were trying to turn a pick and pop/high post hub center into a volume spot up shooting PF.

I don't think Charlotte would go for that deal fwiw.

[youngcrev]

I didn't realize how crazy Lavine's numbers were right now. Not gonna overreact to a small sample size, but if he can be close to a 60 TS% guy for a full season, I'd give up a lot for him.

[76ciology]

So you think Raptors are trading Lowry (expiring) + 2 1st round picks for.... Tobias Harris (and his contract)? Really?

In a vacuum, yes. Because it’s much better than getting nothing.

But considering there’s more value you can get with that, like trading for Derozan, then No.

But either way, no way I’m trading for Lowry.
It’s a super lazy idea IMO.

The Raps won’t trade Lowry for Harris. They’d rather have the cap space. Unless you do Simmons and Harris for Siakam and Lowry. Which I would be fine with. Probably even be willing to add a 1st this year to that.

I hope you are Masai and i can say.. “touch move”

[76ciology]

I didn't realize how crazy Lavine's numbers were right now. Not gonna overreact to a small sample size, but if he can be close to a 60 TS% guy for a full season, I'd give up a lot for him.

Yes sir.

And he’s a lot cheaper than Beal.

[Negrodamus]

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st. No need for Curry or Scott or whatever. Danny plus one of those youngsters fit in the trade checker

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

Jrue Holiday: 30 years old, 2 years left on deal
Kyle Lowry: 34 years old, 1 year left on deal

It's not really the same thing. Also the Sixers aren't really desperate for Lowry. If we could get him for Danny, Curry, Scott and Thybulle, I'd consider it. Otherwise, I don't think the Sixers want to touch a rental

I would not give up Curry (and his great contract) for 35-year Lowry. Even straight up.

Why?

Because Lowry can run a half court offense and is a better all around player than Curry. Also gets to the line quite a bit.

I understand the apprehension of trading for him and I'm fine with not doing so, but the only way I'd do it would be moving role players for him.

[the_process]

I didn't realize how crazy Lavine's numbers were right now. Not gonna overreact to a small sample size, but if he can be close to a 60 TS% guy for a full season, I'd give up a lot for him.

Yes sir.

And he’s a lot cheaper than Beal.

I think you should try to get ahead of it. I mean, we’ve heard rumors Morey was already trying to acquire LaVine. If you push Simmons on the table, that should open up a real discussion.

[youngcrev]

I didn't realize how crazy Lavine's numbers were right now. Not gonna overreact to a small sample size, but if he can be close to a 60 TS% guy for a full season, I'd give up a lot for him.

Yes sir.

And he’s a lot cheaper than Beal.

I think you should try to get ahead of it. I mean, we’ve heard rumors Morey was already trying to acquire LaVine. If you push Simmons on the table, that should open up a real discussion.

Naw...

[davesilver]

Yes sir.

And he’s a lot cheaper than Beal.

I think you should try to get ahead of it. I mean, we’ve heard rumors Morey was already trying to acquire LaVine. If you push Simmons on the table, that should open up a real discussion.

Naw...

If you told me a month ago to propose a Simmons Lavine trade I’d call you crazy, but I’m starting to warm up to the idea.

Definitely would wait it out till closer to the deadline to get more data on Simmons and if he’s actually regressing, and if Lavine could be a championship 2nd piece as a scorer. Obviously I’d take Simmons over Lavine if I’m Chicago as a building block. Would also try to attach Harris for Porter because of the value differential of Simmons. Also ideally pick up an asset like a future 1st from CHI

Simmons, Harris for Lavine, Porter

Shake Maxey
Lavine Curry
Danny Thybulle
Porter Scott
Embiid Dwight

Not a championship caliber roster yet... probably one player away, but gives us cap flexibility, scoring to truly compete in 2-3 years. Shake Maxey and Lavine seem like a heavenly backcourt match

[youngcrev]

I think you should try to get ahead of it. I mean, we’ve heard rumors Morey was already trying to acquire LaVine. If you push Simmons on the table, that should open up a real discussion.

Naw...

If you told me a month ago to propose a Simmons Lavine trade I’d call you crazy, but I’m starting to warm up to the idea.

Definitely would wait it out till closer to the deadline to get more data on Simmons and if he’s actually regressing, and if Lavine could be a championship 2nd piece as a scorer. Obviously I’d take Simmons over Lavine if I’m Chicago as a building block. Would also try to attach Harris for Porter because of the value differential of Simmons. Also ideally pick up an asset like a future 1st from CHI

Simmons, Harris for Lavine, Porter

Shake Maxey
Lavine Curry
Danny Thybulle
Porter Scott
Embiid Dwight

Not a championship caliber roster yet... probably one player away, but gives us cap flexibility, scoring to truly compete in 2-3 years. Shake Maxey and Lavine seem like a heavenly backcourt match

I think you'd be quite a bit worse right now going from Harris/Simmons to LaVine/Porter. There'd have to be some max free agent you've got in mind if you're doing, not quite sure who that would be

[youngcrev]

It's also just a matter of selling a guy while he's possibly playing his worst basketball since he joined the team for a guy that likely playing way above his head at the moment.

[ProcessDoctor]

I’m also uneasy with the Simmons-LaVine value. That being said, I felt the same way about swapping Ben for Beal not too long ago and now I’d do it in a heartbeat. I think the Bulls are basically guaranteed to make a big deal by the deadline.

Wonder what a Simmons-MPJ swap would look like in terms of additional assets from either side.

[ProcessDoctor]

Harris/Thybulle/2021 FRP/2024 FRP swap for LaVine/Young


Maxey(20)/Curry(28)
LaVine(34)/Milton(14)
Green(28)/Young(10)/Milton(10)
Simmons(34)/Young(14)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)


Maxey/Curry
LaVine/Milton/Joe
Green/Korkmaz/Ferguson
Simmons/Young/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Poirer


Then we'd just need Simmons to turn into prime Blake Griffin or Draymond Green and we're all set

[the_process]

20 million a year for Lowry? He will be 38 by the end of this contract? Did we not learn anything about Al Horford contract? Oh, and giving up our 1st round picks? Two of them?
Thank god we have Morey.

Huge difference. Lowry fits like a glove with this roster, he doesn’t duplicate your best player like Horford did. This year and next he will still be an All-Star caliber player. The third year you cross your fingers. The fourth year is the cost of locking him up before he hits FA this summer, Worst case scenario he’s a 20M useless expiring contract you can use to match salary in another trade.

As far as the picks go, dumping Harris is gonna cost. But here you could argue Washington and his shooting and the fact he will space the corner and won’t dribble is an upgrade over Tobias honestly. And he’s young and locked up so losing the pick hurts a lot less. I want my PG breaking down defenses, not my PF. That roster is far more optimized to work with Jo and Ben.

And then if you can trade Ben for a 2nd star you’re all set and an actual contender,

I dunno about giving him a 3 year deal, but yeah, it's nothing at all like Horford. He fits both positionally and stylistically. We were trying to turn a pick and pop/high post hub center into a volume spot up shooting PF.

I don't think Charlotte would go for that deal fwiw.

Yep, CHA fan liked this better:

CHA gets Tobias, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2023 PHI 1st unprotected
TOR gets Zeller, Monk, and a 2021 PHI 1st unprotected
PHI gets Washington, Biyombo, and Lowry

I like that better too, honestly.

[sixers4real]

Huge difference. Lowry fits like a glove with this roster, he doesn’t duplicate your best player like Horford did. This year and next he will still be an All-Star caliber player. The third year you cross your fingers. The fourth year is the cost of locking him up before he hits FA this summer, Worst case scenario he’s a 20M useless expiring contract you can use to match salary in another trade.

As far as the picks go, dumping Harris is gonna cost. But here you could argue Washington and his shooting and the fact he will space the corner and won’t dribble is an upgrade over Tobias honestly. And he’s young and locked up so losing the pick hurts a lot less. I want my PG breaking down defenses, not my PF. That roster is far more optimized to work with Jo and Ben.

And then if you can trade Ben for a 2nd star you’re all set and an actual contender,

I dunno about giving him a 3 year deal, but yeah, it's nothing at all like Horford. He fits both positionally and stylistically. We were trying to turn a pick and pop/high post hub center into a volume spot up shooting PF.

I don't think Charlotte would go for that deal fwiw.

Yep, CHA fan liked this better:

CHA gets Tobias, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2023 PHI 1st unprotected
TOR gets Zeller, Monk, and a 2021 PHI 1st unprotected
PHI gets Washington, Biyombo, and Lowry

I like that better too, honestly.

So we basically changed Harris for Lowry and Washington? While doing so we gave two 1st round picks?
Cool, are we contenders now? Are we on the same conversation as Nets Lakers Bucks Clippers?

[the_process]

I dunno about giving him a 3 year deal, but yeah, it's nothing at all like Horford. He fits both positionally and stylistically. We were trying to turn a pick and pop/high post hub center into a volume spot up shooting PF.

I don't think Charlotte would go for that deal fwiw.

Yep, CHA fan liked this better:

CHA gets Tobias, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2023 PHI 1st unprotected
TOR gets Zeller, Monk, and a 2021 PHI 1st unprotected
PHI gets Washington, Biyombo, and Lowry

I like that better too, honestly.

So we basically changed Harris for Lowry and Washington? While doing so we gave two 1st round picks?
Cool, are we contenders now? Are we on the same conversation as Nets Lakers Bucks Clippers?

That team is unquestionably better. Could beat the Bucks or Celtics in a 2nd round matchup. And theoretically Jo should tear up the Nets, and Harden hasn't exactly shined come the playoffs, so who knows what happens in that series.

[sixers4real]

Yep, CHA fan liked this better:

CHA gets Tobias, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2023 PHI 1st unprotected
TOR gets Zeller, Monk, and a 2021 PHI 1st unprotected
PHI gets Washington, Biyombo, and Lowry

I like that better too, honestly.

So we basically changed Harris for Lowry and Washington? While doing so we gave two 1st round picks?
Cool, are we contenders now? Are we on the same conversation as Nets Lakers Bucks Clippers?

That team is unquestionably better. Could beat the Bucks or Celtics in a 2nd round matchup. And theoretically Jo should tear up the Nets, and Harden hasn't exactly shined come the playoffs, so who knows what happens in that series.

So you’re willing to give 2 unprotected first round picks to potentially try to get to the ECF, and who knows what happens then?

[Wilfried]

Would you do a Jamal Murray - Ben Simmons swap?

Feels like this is a win-win for both teams. Murray is a 1/2 who could do more ball-duties here on our team, his shooting is streaky but good and he can take over games offensively like he showed in the play-offs.

And Ben would benefit a lot from playing with Jokic and help the Nuggets on D a lot. They have enough shooting on their team to not be harmed by his inability at that part.

[sixers4real]

Would you do a Jamal Murray - Ben Simmons swap?

Feels like this is a win-win for both teams. Murray is a 1/2 who could do more ball-duties here on our team, his shooting is streaky but good and he can take over games offensively like he showed in the play-offs.

And Ben would benefit a lot from playing with Jokic and help the Nuggets on D a lot. They have enough shooting on their team to not be harmed by his inability at that part.

I’m not sure Nuggets would do it

[youngcrev]

Would you do a Jamal Murray - Ben Simmons swap?

Feels like this is a win-win for both teams. Murray is a 1/2 who could do more ball-duties here on our team, his shooting is streaky but good and he can take over games offensively like he showed in the play-offs.

And Ben would benefit a lot from playing with Jokic and help the Nuggets on D a lot. They have enough shooting on their team to not be harmed by his inability at that part.

Maybe, but I don't think Denver would. I imagine the goal for them would be to put him with Jokic AND Murray. Those 3 together could be something.

If I'm them I'd offer MPJ+picks+necessary contract filler if Ben became available. Maybe that works as a 3 way for Beal.