Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0

[Trader_Joe]

TNT related thought - Well, there goes any chance at a Harden trade.

I don't necessarily know about that. It does give them another hole to fill though.

Otherwise:
Sucks for Dinwiddie as he was set for a nice pay day next summer
Sucks for Dinwiddie as he was starting on a potential contender
Sucks for the Nets as he was really showing nice glue-guy and defense next to Kyrie

The only saving grace is that the Nets are loaded with ball-handlers (Irving, LeVert, T.Johnson, Chiozza, B.Brown, Shamet).

Yeah, there's never a good time to miss a season, but it's even less good when it's a contract year on a contender. The good news for him is still that it's a quickly-thinning FA crop next year so he may get attention anyway.

Dinwiddie was needed as salary filler and I assume filled some of the value. He'd still be needed as salary filler, but now completely dead-weight to Houston or wherever he would have fit in the deal. BRK's deal already lacked appeal, and now has less appeal.

[loserX]

TNT related thought - Well, there goes any chance at a Harden trade.

I don't necessarily know about that. It does give them another hole to fill though.

Otherwise:
Sucks for Dinwiddie as he was set for a nice pay day next summer
Sucks for Dinwiddie as he was starting on a potential contender
Sucks for the Nets as he was really showing nice glue-guy and defense next to Kyrie

The only saving grace is that the Nets are loaded with ball-handlers (Irving, LeVert, T.Johnson, Chiozza, B.Brown, Shamet).

Yeah, there's never a good time to miss a season, but it's even less good when it's a contract year on a contender. The good news for him is still that it's a quickly-thinning FA crop next year so he may get attention anyway.

Dinwiddie was needed as salary filler and I assume filled some of the value. He'd still be needed as salary filler, but now completely dead-weight to Houston or wherever he would have fit in the deal. BRK's deal already lacked appeal, and now has less appeal.

I still say not necessarily All Brooklyn and Houston have to do is wait for Joe Harris to become trade-eligible. Harris/Levert/Allen comes very close to Harden's contract alone, for instance. Add picks/swaps to fill in any gaps, and Houston can keep Harris or spin him elsewhere for more future value too.

[psman2]

I don't necessarily know about that. It does give them another hole to fill though.



Yeah, there's never a good time to miss a season, but it's even less good when it's a contract year on a contender. The good news for him is still that it's a quickly-thinning FA crop next year so he may get attention anyway.

Dinwiddie was needed as salary filler and I assume filled some of the value. He'd still be needed as salary filler, but now completely dead-weight to Houston or wherever he would have fit in the deal. BRK's deal already lacked appeal, and now has less appeal.

I still say not necessarily All Brooklyn and Houston have to do is wait for Joe Harris to become trade-eligible. Harris/Levert/Allen comes very close to Harden's contract alone, for instance. Add picks/swaps to fill in any gaps, and Houston can keep Harris or spin him elsewhere for more future value too.

Harris just got paid beyond his market value imo. I doubt he has much value over an expiring and a 2nd or two. Dinwiddie had more value (not a ton) thus the package as it stands is worse today than before the injury.

[loserX]

Dinwiddie was needed as salary filler and I assume filled some of the value. He'd still be needed as salary filler, but now completely dead-weight to Houston or wherever he would have fit in the deal. BRK's deal already lacked appeal, and now has less appeal.

I still say not necessarily All Brooklyn and Houston have to do is wait for Joe Harris to become trade-eligible. Harris/Levert/Allen comes very close to Harden's contract alone, for instance. Add picks/swaps to fill in any gaps, and Houston can keep Harris or spin him elsewhere for more future value too.

Harris just got paid beyond his market value imo. I doubt he has much value over an expiring and a 2nd or two. Dinwiddie had more value (not a ton) thus the package as it stands is worse today than before the injury.

I'm not sure about that...but in any case, my point was that I don't think the deal is dead just because Dinwiddie is hurt. Once the Nets can include Harris they should be back in play.

[psman2]

I still say not necessarily All Brooklyn and Houston have to do is wait for Joe Harris to become trade-eligible. Harris/Levert/Allen comes very close to Harden's contract alone, for instance. Add picks/swaps to fill in any gaps, and Houston can keep Harris or spin him elsewhere for more future value too.

Harris just got paid beyond his market value imo. I doubt he has much value over an expiring and a 2nd or two. Dinwiddie had more value (not a ton) thus the package as it stands is worse today than before the injury.

I'm not sure about that...but in any case, my point was that I don't think the deal is dead just because Dinwiddie is hurt. Once the Nets can include Harris they should be back in play.

Looking closer at the package if Harris's salary makes it so Houston doesn't have to eat Prince now then the package overall value likely hasn't changed much at all. The problem still is the value is just not there, but maybe in a shtf scenario the Nets can pull it off.

[Texas Chuck]

Harris just got paid beyond his market value imo.

That's probably true. But I think he still holds appeal to teams because of his specific skill set. I definitely could see multiple teams being willing to exchange a less productive player making similar money even on a shorter contract plus an asset to add Harris to the mix.

[psman2]

Harris just got paid beyond his market value imo.

That's probably true. But I think he still holds appeal to teams because of his specific skill set. I definitely could see multiple teams being willing to exchange a less productive player making similar money even on a shorter contract plus an asset to add Harris to the mix.

Yep like an expiring and some 2nds as I said. Maybe you squeeze out very late 1st at the deadline, but I wouldn't bake that into trade package value unless it is a three-way realizing Harris's value immediately which I am sure they will try to do. With the Nets stacking nickels to try to make the deal work, Houston has to be sure they are actually getting a nickel.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Texas Chuck]

Kyle Anderson is early season trying to stick it to me lol.

[daoneandonly]

Kyle Anderson is early season trying to stick it to me lol.

Oh man, I told you Chuck even before Powell's injury that Slow Mo was the better player, contract, etc.

[Texas Chuck]

Kyle Anderson is early season trying to stick it to me lol.

Oh man, I told you Chuck even before Powell's injury that Slow Mo was the better player, contract, etc.

I mean I'm pretty sure my stance on Dwight Powell being negative value has been at least as consistent over the years as Kyle Anderson being negative. So not really sure his relevance?

And I still say that if Powell were healthy that his rim running is the most valuable skill either of them bring so I feel justified in saying I wouldn't have wanted to swap them.

But I've killed Anderson on here for years and so it only felt fair for me to acknowledge he's been good early.

[daoneandonly]

Kyle Anderson is early season trying to stick it to me lol.

Oh man, I told you Chuck even before Powell's injury that Slow Mo was the better player, contract, etc.

I mean I'm pretty sure my stance on Dwight Powell being negative value has been at least as consistent over the years as Kyle Anderson being negative. So not really sure his relevance?

And I still say that if Powell were healthy that his rim running is the most valuable skill either of them bring so I feel justified in saying I wouldn't have wanted to swap them.

But I've killed Anderson on here for years and so it only felt fair for me to acknowledge he's been good early.

Ha fair enough. I'd still take Anderson over Powell, yesterday, 7 months ago, 3 years from now, etc over Powell.

[NYG]

https://www.nba.com/stats/leaders/?CF=PTS*GE*16:FG3M*GE*3:FG3_PCT*GE*35:FT_PCT*GE*80&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Just FYI on Rozier/Hield being overpaid.

[MasterIchiro]

Rozier is in a good place to thrive. The team's multiple playmakers are feeding him the ball and he has an alpha scorer mentality as it is. His shot selection is much improved. He's dribbling less this year and making quick decisions. He works his tail off and clearly made a leap. Has already banked a 42 pt game and a 35 bagger. Heading into the loss to the Sixers, the Hornets were tops in the NBA on assisted buckets. The team likes to share and Rozier likes to score. It's the perfect situation for him. The hardest thing to scout is talent reaching the verge of breaking out. Rozier is having a breakout year. I'm confident he will finish the year averaging 20 PPG on good efficiency. Next year he earns 17.9. Positive value.

[Texas Chuck]

Bump so its handy

[cl2117]

I didn't think this warranted it's own thread so dumping it in here, but rumor is that the Rockets are looking for three second round picks for Tucker:

People around the league wonder what Rockets general manager Rafael Stone will do next following the Harden blockbuster. As I reported last week, Victor Oladipo, an impending free agent, has eyes for Miami. Could the Heat, or another team looking to contend—such as the Nuggets or Celtics—try to acquire him? And how about P.J. Tucker? Numerous teams have already inquired about the stout versatile defender, and league sources say Houston is currently demanding three second-round draft picks for the upcoming unrestricted free agent.

Per Kevin O'Connor (article below).

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/18/22236679/nba-power-rankings-james-harden-trade

[kobe_vs_jordan]

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Not saying he was right but is it common to force a player to give up his locker for another role player?

[Scoot McGroot]

I didn't think this warranted it's own thread so dumping it in here, but rumor is that the Rockets are looking for three second round picks for Tucker:

People around the league wonder what Rockets general manager Rafael Stone will do next following the Harden blockbuster. As I reported last week, Victor Oladipo, an impending free agent, has eyes for Miami. Could the Heat, or another team looking to contend—such as the Nuggets or Celtics—try to acquire him? And how about P.J. Tucker? Numerous teams have already inquired about the stout versatile defender, and league sources say Houston is currently demanding three second-round draft picks for the upcoming unrestricted free agent.

Per Kevin O'Connor (article below).

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/18/22236679/nba-power-rankings-james-harden-trade

Ilko also reported in his Harden trade calendar of events in the Athletic today that the Rockets also have an extension offer on the table for Tucker but he’s ignoring it.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Not saying he was right but is it common to force a player to give up his locker for another role player?

I think he was away from the team until this weekend. He may not have had a locker all season and didn’t know that his locker from last year had been taken by a new acquisition.

[Texas Chuck]

Not saying he was right but is it common to force a player to give up his locker for another role player?

He definitely wasn't in the right, but I agree that seemed like a provocation by the team. And maybe intentionally to see if he had been humbled and matured any yet.

Or it could just be hey we are stuck with Prince for 2 years because of this contract so let's do everything we can to incorporate him into the team as quickly as possible so let's give him a locker amongst the core guys.

But seems like something someone should have called Porter's agent about and given him a heads up on in effort to prevent this sort of thing.