The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[Negrodamus]

Another team I could see being interested would be the Spurs. With young guys like Dejounte Murray, Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker starting to take a bit of a leap (Keldon more than Lonnie) and Devin Vassell waiting in the wings, I could see them wanting to move guys like DeRozan, White, Mills, Gay for someone like Ben.

Might require a mixture of the young guys with DeRozan (possibly pick(s)). Murray, DeRozan and a protected first for Ben might get it done. With Pop as the coach, they could end up fleecing us in that deal. If anyone can turn Ben into a superstar, it's Pop.

[Embiid-MVP]

That almost getting traded may be helping Ben. It'll be slow but he's definitely shooting a 3 more then before this season. He even took 2 last game. The moment he takes a couple and makes them it should start a confidence roll. Unless some magical offer comes along I'm cool with rolling with him. Doc just needs to stay on him. Start with the 1-2 3s minimum a game and after a month get him to take 2-3 and so forth

[shlo]

That almost getting traded may be helping Ben. It'll be slow but he's definitely shooting a 3 more then before this season. He even took 2 last game. The moment he takes a couple and makes them it should start a confidence roll. Unless some magical offer comes along I'm cool with rolling with him. Doc just needs to stay on him. Start with the 1-2 3s minimum a game and after a month get him to take 2-3 and so forth

I'm skeptical that actually shooting threes will make him any better. He's actually been driving to the basket for years, but still has no touch around the rim. He's actually been shooting free throws for years, and he's still a lousy free throw shooter. I think he just has no touch, and no mechanics on his shot.

[Black Mage]

That almost getting traded may be helping Ben. It'll be slow but he's definitely shooting a 3 more then before this season. He even took 2 last game. The moment he takes a couple and makes them it should start a confidence roll. Unless some magical offer comes along I'm cool with rolling with him. Doc just needs to stay on him. Start with the 1-2 3s minimum a game and after a month get him to take 2-3 and so forth

You are getting way ahead of yourself. If Ben were a natural shooter/scorer getting a few to go in during a slump could definitely pull him out of the slump. Ben isn't a shooter/scorer nor is he just in a slump.

Ben needs an entire mental rewiring and it's going to be a LONG and SLOW process. Basically, if the Sixers are intent on keeping him and want to develop him then they essentially need to let this season for him be a live training camp and aim for the fruits to show beginning next season.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah, he sucks at shooting the ball, how one could think him attempting to shoot would **** help him to improve...
Obviously the best way to improve his shooting is, wait for it, not shooting at all! just brilliant.

[DCasey91]

I have realistic expectations for Ben

In the right environment he would thrive surrounded by two elite perimeter scorers/threats he can do what he’s great at, defence/passing/pushing the ball from a rebound.
16/8/8 is his max capacity anything more than that is a fantasy it’s been that way for quite a long time.

He has below average big man skills, his length, inability to decelerate/lateral movement combined with the lack of a hook shot hurts him more than anything else imo.

Unfortunately we don’t have those types of players to compliments Ben’s game.

It’s a fallacy trying to build around him

Building around Embiid should be the way to go moving forward. If that involves trading Simmons for more of an ideal fit with Embiid then so be it.

And because of Ben’s taxing gamestyle his durability will take a big hit in the future as we’ve see last year with his knee problems. Can’t play at one pace all the time especially at that size/speed.
Slow and boring does more for Ben’s game then all the other flashy stuff.

Hooks/catch & shoot threes slowing the hell down and passing to the wings/perimeter when pushing the ball should be a given for him.

[elchengue20]

To maximize Ben you have to play him in an completely run and gun team.

Play him at the 4 and put a small ball 5 next to him, or at least an Al Horford type of center.Also he will need at least two good shot creators in the half court.

Embiid is a bad fit.Period.Sure in the RS they make it work because the defense is great. But in the Playoffs you are capped by the terrible halfcourt offense.

[phifans]

To maximize Ben you have to play him in an completely run and gun team.

Play him at the 4 and put a small ball 5 next to him, or at least an Al Horford type of center.Also he will need at least two good shot creators in the half court.

Embiid is a bad fit.Period.Sure in the RS they make it work because the defense is great. But in the Playoffs you are capped by the terrible halfcourt offense.

Seriously why do we need Ben anymore if we have two or more good shot creators and a bunch of shooters ? What else do we need Ben to provide on the court ?

[youngcrev]

To maximize Ben you have to play him in an completely run and gun team.

Play him at the 4 and put a small ball 5 next to him, or at least an Al Horford type of center.Also he will need at least two good shot creators in the half court.

Embiid is a bad fit.Period.Sure in the RS they make it work because the defense is great. But in the Playoffs you are capped by the terrible halfcourt offense.

Seriously why do we need Ben anymore if we have two or more good shot creators and a bunch of shooters ? What else do we need Ben to provide on the court ?

Defense, rebounding and transition offense?

[Black Mage]

To maximize Ben you have to play him in an completely run and gun team.

Play him at the 4 and put a small ball 5 next to him, or at least an Al Horford type of center.Also he will need at least two good shot creators in the half court.

Embiid is a bad fit.Period.Sure in the RS they make it work because the defense is great. But in the Playoffs you are capped by the terrible halfcourt offense.

Seriously why do we need Ben anymore if we have two or more good shot creators and a bunch of shooters ? What else do we need Ben to provide on the court ?

Defense, rebounding and transition offense?

I agree with the first two, but the last one I'm not even sure he's our best running that this time. Maxey and Tobias seem to run it well too. Both finish better and honestly, it's not hard to kick out to a trailing 3 or to pass ahead.

[phifans]

To maximize Ben you have to play him in an completely run and gun team.

Play him at the 4 and put a small ball 5 next to him, or at least an Al Horford type of center.Also he will need at least two good shot creators in the half court.

Embiid is a bad fit.Period.Sure in the RS they make it work because the defense is great. But in the Playoffs you are capped by the terrible halfcourt offense.

Seriously why do we need Ben anymore if we have two or more good shot creators and a bunch of shooters ? What else do we need Ben to provide on the court ?

Defense, rebounding and transition offense?

For max contract ? And I don't even think he is that a great rebounder ...

[elchengue20]

I wouldn't get that far to say he's an average player or even useless.

He's one of the best defenders and transition players in the NBA.

The problem is he won't ever be a top 10 talent and he doesn't fit with our franchise player. We should have traded him last season when his value was still very high based on potential. We still should trade him right now.

The more we wait his value decreases because more and more people realizes he is what he is and won't improve much the rest of his carreer.

[Mik317]

yall act like other teams don't have the same tape.
All of this finding out who he is stuff is laughable. I think they know exactly who he is

[Ellington]

Ben Simmons is a generational talent that has one massive flaw. That flaw should be the Sixers key focus in order to fix it. This is the first time that Ben seems to have started to become a willing shooter and in the past game took 2 threes. This needs to continue. It is imperative that Simmons continues to trust himself and continues to shoot outside shots each game. Instead of Ben looking to others to score, Doc should be trying to get Simmons looking to score. That is the key to our long term success. He has all the tools, he just needs to focus on the right parts to make him and the team great.

We need to forget about win now and focus on developing Simmons offensive game for the long term greater good of the team. He should be getting 15-20 shots per game minimum. Doc needs to run plays for him and demand he play a much bigger part in the offense. We should go all in on him and develop his offensive game as that is holding him back from making our team the best it could be. We shouldnt' be looking to get buckets from Tobias, Maxey etc, we should be focussing on our number 1 pick and building the one area of his game that could make him unstoppable in today's league. Get real people.

This season isn't about Simmons offensive game regressing, it is about Simmons deferring to our shooters and trying to find them baskets. This needs to stop. We need to refocus our attention to getting Simmons taking the shots and becoming a scorer per say.

[Stanford]

Ben Simmons is a generational talent that has one massive flaw.

Is that one massive flaw having no offensive game to speak of?

[Black Mage]

yall act like other teams don't have the same tape.
All of this finding out who he is stuff is laughable. I think they know exactly who he is

This is one of the reasons I argued to trade him sooner rather than later. Teams may have still talked themselves into believing that the problem was lack of proper coaching from Brett. That he was still young enough that he had potential to be tapped and that "they" could tap that potential unlike Brett.

Once he came out with a new FO, new coach and still showed no development/change he needed to be traded asap.

[Ellington]

Ben Simmons is a generational talent that has one massive flaw.

Is that one massive flaw having no offensive game to speak of?

He obviously has an offensive game given he has averaged 16ppg on excellent percentages over the last few seasons without an outside shot. He has also shown in the last game that he can hit jump shot fadeaways etc. He is basically electing not to shoot in favour of passing it to his team mates this season. It isn't because he can't score but more so because he sees them as the better option.

I ask you this, do you think he couldn't again average 16ppg this season if Simmons himself wasn't basically choosing to pass the ball to our shooters added to the team? Simmons hasn't regressed offensively, he is choosing to pass it to them as opposed to take it himself where he has shown he is easilly capable of getting 16ppg. That is on the coach to get Simmons to be a more willing scorer.

[76ciology]

Ben does not really have that Zion or Giannis freakish tools to just rely on being a paint player. He has to develop a perimeter game and scoring. Maybe he one day develops that. But if im the GM of the Sixers, I’d let other teams take the chance.

But for now.. he has to slide his playmaking duties to Seth, Shake, Milton, Maxey and Tobias. And focus more on SCORING off drives in transition, on the ball and off the ball.

He’s not magically going to be a good shooter just by taking jumpers this season.

We either let him do that or do something radical. Which is to sit him out and let him spend the season to develop his perimeter game. And this is unrealistic.

[Ellington]

yall act like other teams don't have the same tape.
All of this finding out who he is stuff is laughable. I think they know exactly who he is

This is one of the reasons I argued to trade him sooner rather than later. Teams may have still talked themselves into believing that the problem was lack of proper coaching from Brett. That he was still young enough that he had potential to be tapped and that "they" could tap that potential unlike Brett.

Once he came out with a new FO, new coach and still showed no development/change he needed to be traded asap.

It's laughable when people say Simmons has shown no development offensively. Simmons is electing not to take as big a part in the offense this season in favour of passing it to our shooters we have acquired. He could easily score more and take a bigger part in the offence however he has seen the shooters as the better option.

Simmons before this season was never looking to shoot 3's, now he is. He is also looking to take jumpers. I would say that is called an improvement in his offensive game, not a regression. It is up to Doc to get Simmons to be a more focal part of our offense. Simmons needs to stop being so unselfish and look to score. He was averaging 16ppg over the last few seasons without a jump shot. Now he is taking outside shots, he should be scoring a lot more. Doc needs to get him looking to score himself instead of passing it to the likes of Tobias etc.

[Kobblehead]

Ben Simmons is a generational talent

No he's not. This is a myth from 2016 that has no business still being perpetuated in 2021. He's a all-around role player with no offensive skill.