The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[Reeko]

I will admit, the hype around Ziaire still confuses me a bit but I will give him more chances to impress me. As for Boston, it's no secret that UK prospects look mediocre while they're at school but blow up when given a chance in the NBA. For both of these kids to be 6'7"+ with those handles and skills bodes well for their NBA futures if developed properly.

I'm not sure who you're referring to as looking mediocre.

Murray: 20ppg, 5rpg, 2apg on 45/41/78
Booker: 10ppg, 2rpg, 1apg on 47/41/82
Herro: 14ppg, 5rpg, 3 apg on 46/36/94

Booker was playing on a stacked team and coming off the bench thus his stats don't look as good, but he was killing it whenever he was out there, playing with Tyler Ulis.

Boston: 12ppg, 5rpg, 1apg on 35/18/75

If you can find me a Kentucky (or any college) guy that shot this poorly but went on to blow up in the NBA, I'll agree and say that there is hope for him. Even Cam Reddish didn't play this badly at Duke and he's still pretty much the same player offensively as far as efficiency goes.

Booker was definitely one. He didn't get enough time to show the star he could be, and while I liked him at UK he was never ranked as the top-5 prospect he should've been.

Adebayo averaged 13/8 on 60% shooting and looked like more of a lob threat than the dynamic big man he is in the NBA whos' averaging 19/9/5

There's also a reason guys like Maxey, Quickly, and Keldon Johnson have gone in the 20's and it's because an over-saturation of talent. However, I will admit that there were less guys who blow up once they come to the NBA than I thought. Still, Boston's raw talent is there but it will be on him to show what he can do. There are plenty of guys who waste their natural abilities and I hope he isn't one.

Right, the raw numbers and skills can be suppressed because Kentucky is always bringing in 5 and 4 star recruits and they have to fit into a role. You would've had to have seen Bam in high school to know that he had some guard skills that he couldn't show off at Kentucky because of the role he was being asked to play.

So my issue with Boston isn't the raw numbers, because like you said Kentucky has an over-saturation of talent year after year. What concerns me are his splits which are some of the worst I've ever seen for a guy who's been projected to go in the lottery. And none of the guys you listed shot that poorly at Kentucky. Maxey probably had the worst efficiency out of group and his numbers were still significantly better than Boston's.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm not sure who you're referring to as looking mediocre.

Murray: 20ppg, 5rpg, 2apg on 45/41/78
Booker: 10ppg, 2rpg, 1apg on 47/41/82
Herro: 14ppg, 5rpg, 3 apg on 46/36/94

Booker was playing on a stacked team and coming off the bench thus his stats don't look as good, but he was killing it whenever he was out there, playing with Tyler Ulis.

Boston: 12ppg, 5rpg, 1apg on 35/18/75

If you can find me a Kentucky (or any college) guy that shot this poorly but went on to blow up in the NBA, I'll agree and say that there is hope for him. Even Cam Reddish didn't play this badly at Duke and he's still pretty much the same player offensively as far as efficiency goes.

Booker was definitely one. He didn't get enough time to show the star he could be, and while I liked him at UK he was never ranked as the top-5 prospect he should've been.

Adebayo averaged 13/8 on 60% shooting and looked like more of a lob threat than the dynamic big man he is in the NBA whos' averaging 19/9/5

There's also a reason guys like Maxey, Quickly, and Keldon Johnson have gone in the 20's and it's because an over-saturation of talent. However, I will admit that there were less guys who blow up once they come to the NBA than I thought. Still, Boston's raw talent is there but it will be on him to show what he can do. There are plenty of guys who waste their natural abilities and I hope he isn't one.

Right, the raw numbers and skills can be suppressed because Kentucky is always bringing in 5 and 4 star recruits and they have to fit into a role. You would've had to have seen Bam in high school to know that he had some guard skills that he couldn't show off at Kentucky because of the role he was being asked to play.

So my issue with Boston isn't the raw numbers, because like you said Kentucky has an over-saturation of talent year after year. What concerns me are his splits which are some of the worst I've ever seen for a guy who's been projected to go in the lottery. And none of the guys you listed shot that poorly at Kentucky. Maxey probably had the worst efficiency out of group and his numbers were still significantly better than Boston's.

There's no doubt Boston will have to prove a lot to be considered a first round pick in the 2021 draft. I just don't know if it's better for him to declare and see where he slots in, or go back to school. To me, going back to Kentucky could help but it's more likely to drop him even further if he struggles again. At least if he declares he can spend some time in the G-League developing. A lot of his issues are caused by his inability to finish through contact because he is beyond frail at the moment. His 3-point shooting however is a big cause for concern, but with his tools I don't see why an NBA shooting coach and weight room can't help him.

[Psubs]

How is Minnesota this ass?!

Towns keeps missing games. Now that he has covid that's another two weeks of losing.

I just pray that they don't have to convey it to Golden State.

Top 3 stays with Minnesota. As long as not 4 or 5, I can live with them drafting Jalen Johnson

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Start looking at #15-20 pick prospects as this team will be slightly over .500. Look at Memphis winning 5 in a row to be 7-6. They were missing Morant and winning and won tonight without JV.

[Young_Buc]

I feel like homer when he sold his ride on the duff blimp

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I feel like homer when he sold his ride on the duff blimp

Now we here.



What about Franz Wagner? I don't see how he's not just as good a prospect as Deni Avdija?

[T-d0t]

Seems like a Raps pick. Good analytics, solid defence. Probably should work on his playmaking he his THE guy on his team.

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[Saciid11]

Cade is like Ben Simmons 2.0. Mobley is like Bosh. Suggs is like Brandon Roy.

Biggest knock on Simmons game is his perimeter shooting, Cade has no problem shooting and scoring from perimeter. I think Cade is more like Grant Hill mixed with little of the play making of Luka/Lebron. He is definitely a point forward in NBA.

[Steven1562]

Cade is like Ben Simmons 2.0. Mobley is like Bosh. Suggs is like Brandon Roy.

Biggest knock on Simmons game is his perimeter shooting, Cade has no problem shooting and scoring from perimeter. I think Cade is more like Grant Hill mixed with little of the play making of Luka/Lebron. He is definitely a point forward in NBA.

2.0 in that he has a jumper/can shoot free throws. He's also smaller in that he's not 6'10 like Ben. Anyway, they're both big wings that can make plays.

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Seems like a Raps pick. Good analytics, solid defence. Probably should work on his playmaking he his THE guy on his team.

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I think a guy later in the 1st/early 2nd to get instead, is Ron Harper Jr. He might be able to play SF. Bouknight is a sophomore while Harper is a Junior so neither are 1 and done. they are both 20 and Harper is only 1/2 a year older than Bouknight so negligible.

Bouknight is more of a blackhole like Powell (A/T < 1) while Harper has an A/T of 4 (which is 2:0.5).

At 6'6, 245 lbs he can play SF and maybe even some backup PF.

Maybe a comp is Jordan.... Nwora with good playmaking skills!

He's shooting 42% from 3 on 6.5 attempts per game.

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3:09 what a nice and easy non-showy pass on the run with his left hand.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Cade and Suggs are pipe dreams unless we trade for higher picks because we're too good of a team. I'm thinking we'll be picking around 15-20 barring major injuries or trades.

Two guys to keep an eye on are Jalen Johnson at Duke, and Jaden Springer at Tennessee

For some reason Coach K prefers to play others over Johnson who is a 6'9" forward with incredible court vision and just an overall skill-set. If Duke can lower his value enough he might be available around where we pick, when in actuality he should be a top-5 selection.

And Jaden Springer is a 6'4" point guard much like Suggs who is already a calming influence as a freshman, excellent defensively and significantly underrated at this point in time. He should be a lottery pick.

This draft is loaded boys.

[NotMyKawhi]

Cade and Suggs are pipe dreams unless we trade for higher picks because we're too good of a team. I'm thinking we'll be picking around 15-20 barring major injuries or trades.

Two guys to keep an eye on are Jalen Johnson at Duke, and Jaden Springer at Tennessee

For some reason Coach K prefers to play others over Johnson who is a 6'9" forward with incredible court vision and just an overall skill-set. If Duke can lower his value enough he might be available around where we pick, when in actuality he should be a top-5 selection.

And Jaden Springer is a 6'4" point guard much like Suggs who is already a calming influence as a freshman, excellent defensively and significantly underrated at this point in time. He should be a lottery pick.

This draft is loaded boys.

everyone says its a top 5 draft but I have it a top 6

I have Jalen Johnson in the top 6, maybe even top 3...he does it all!

[BoyzNTheHood]

Cade and Suggs are pipe dreams unless we trade for higher picks because we're too good of a team. I'm thinking we'll be picking around 15-20 barring major injuries or trades.

Two guys to keep an eye on are Jalen Johnson at Duke, and Jaden Springer at Tennessee

For some reason Coach K prefers to play others over Johnson who is a 6'9" forward with incredible court vision and just an overall skill-set. If Duke can lower his value enough he might be available around where we pick, when in actuality he should be a top-5 selection.

And Jaden Springer is a 6'4" point guard much like Suggs who is already a calming influence as a freshman, excellent defensively and significantly underrated at this point in time. He should be a lottery pick.

This draft is loaded boys.

everyone says its a top 5 draft but I have it a top 6

I have Jalen Johnson in the top 6, maybe even top 3...he does it all!

Who are your top 6? I'm assuming you're going with Cunningham, Suggs, Kuminga, Mobley, Johnson and Green?

[NotMyKawhi]

Cade and Suggs are pipe dreams unless we trade for higher picks because we're too good of a team. I'm thinking we'll be picking around 15-20 barring major injuries or trades.

Two guys to keep an eye on are Jalen Johnson at Duke, and Jaden Springer at Tennessee

For some reason Coach K prefers to play others over Johnson who is a 6'9" forward with incredible court vision and just an overall skill-set. If Duke can lower his value enough he might be available around where we pick, when in actuality he should be a top-5 selection.

And Jaden Springer is a 6'4" point guard much like Suggs who is already a calming influence as a freshman, excellent defensively and significantly underrated at this point in time. He should be a lottery pick.

This draft is loaded boys.

everyone says its a top 5 draft but I have it a top 6

I have Jalen Johnson in the top 6, maybe even top 3...he does it all!

Who are your top 6? I'm assuming you're going with Cunningham, Suggs, Kuminga, Mobley, Johnson and Green?

yup! tbh I'd take all those guys over anyone in last years draft

[NotMyKawhi]

jalen johnson might be #1

24 points, 15 rebs, 7 dimes, 2 steals, 3 blocks

he does it all

[BoyzNTheHood]

everyone says its a top 5 draft but I have it a top 6

I have Jalen Johnson in the top 6, maybe even top 3...he does it all!

Who are your top 6? I'm assuming you're going with Cunningham, Suggs, Kuminga, Mobley, Johnson and Green?

yup! tbh I'd take all those guys over anyone in last years draft

Personally, I'd say it's 9 deep and would add Scottie Barnes, Daishen Nix & Jaden Springer to that mix. But I'd say that there's value at least 20 deep as long as guys get drafted to teams who can develop them.

[PhilBlackson]

Been telling ya'll that Johnson (check receipts and Williams, maybe even Barnes) would still be excellent hauls for a tank and its top 7-8, not just 5 and tbh I like those 2 right now more than Mobley (aka bigger Bosh).

Which all the more reason why this 9th place or die trying race is annoying. Trade Kyle asap!

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Been telling ya'll that Johnson (check receipts and Williams, maybe even Barnes) would still be excellent hauls for a tank and its top 7-8, not just 5 and tbh I like those 2 right now more than Mobley (aka bigger Bosh).

Which all the more reason why this 9th place or die trying race is annoying. Trade Kyle asap!

They are starting to play teams under .500.

Whether you like it or not, the Raptors are not bad, so you can lean towards being terrible. They are mediocre, that can lean towards being good if they sort out the C position. I still see them around 5 or 6 seed in the East like before the season starts.

Just have them scout players in the 16-20 range. Like in this past draft, find the Tyrese Maxey, Saddiq Bey, Precious Achiuwa.

I wouldn't mind trading down and nabbing 2 players!

1 and done gambles: Josh Christopher, Kai Jones, BJ Boston (could be high risk like Pokusevski)

Upper Classmen: Jay Huff (Senior), Ron Harper Jr (Junior), Franz Wagner (Sophomore)

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I think he'll be able to shoot a higher % from 3 as he shoots FT's at 85.7% on 4.2 attempts per game. He's put up 10+ points in EVERY game and in the games that he's not shot well he's been able to get at least 4 FT attempts.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/josh-christopher

With his strength finishing with contact and good handles, who's to say he's not James Harden 2.0 who played 2 years at ASU.

[hart1331]

Yeah I wouldn't bank on Jalen Johnson being around when we pick. Theres a couple really solid guys that will be around when we pick, but I don't think they have high end star potential, just really good role playing peices (Franz Wagner, Corey Kispert). I'd rather be more risky with upside on a guy like Scottie Lewis, Kai Jones. Or possibly move down for Bennedict Mathurin, or Sandro Mamu.