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Post#141 » by arkuo » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:03 pm

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ejs78 wrote:Wanted it then and want it now....Richaun Holmes

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+1

He's actually part of my offseason prediction for the Mavs. That includes Spencer Dinwiddie opting out of BKN too. Clashing with Kyrie and playing 7 mins of basketball behind Harden now isnt going to do his value in 2022 any favors. Dallas can sign him to the same $20M he opted out of. Win win for both sides. Dallas doesnt need to overpay anyone the max, brings THJ and RIchardson back at decent deals, and signs Holmes using the MLE for $5M per.

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF- Kleber / Holmes / Powell
SF- RIchardson / DFS
SG- Dinwiddie / THJ
PG - Doncic / Brunson

That 2nd team is still strong. Hallmark of a true contender.
Only issue I don't see him taking a bench role as you suggest or just the 5 million.

If they could find a way to bring him, Dinwiddie, and 1 of Richardson/THjr back that would be a great offseason.

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RIght.. right.

Just checked. Holmes is 27, Diwght Powell is 29. I dont see Powell getting another contract after this, so now is the time to groom a replacement for a succession plan. I can see Carlisle starting Holmes over Kleber. Holmes is what Nerlens Noel should have been had Noel not been a dumb ass.

Dinwiddie averages 7 assists per game. That's very attractive as a secondary playmaker off Luka. And can create his own offense too and not stand in the corner ala THJ. Mavs have done this type of deal with Deandre Jordan before where he opted out of LA, and paid him the same amount he would earn that year. Mavs can pay him the same $20M so he doesnt lose anything. Dallas saves money by not jumping the gun and paying Oladipo $35M.
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Post#142 » by Apz » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:37 pm

Dont see ppls obsession with dinwiddie. Are u saying we gonna waste 20m of capspace on someone that we cant use next season and ob too of that, have no idea what he will look like when he comes back? If I watch dinwiddie vs thj there is no difference in creating their own offense, so rather pay the better shooter.

Simetimes it feels like our fans underrate our own players because the watch the full games and see the warts, while overvaluibg other teams players since they mainly watch the highlights of them
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Post#143 » by arkuo » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:01 pm

Apz wrote:Dont see ppls obsession with dinwiddie. Are u saying we gonna waste 20m of capspace on someone that we cant use next season and ob too of that, have no idea what he will look like when he comes back? If I watch dinwiddie vs thj there is no difference in creating their own offense, so rather pay the better shooter.

Simetimes it feels like our fans underrate our own players because the watch the full games and see the warts, while overvaluibg other teams players since they mainly watch the highlights of them



Dinwiddie averages 20 ppg and 7 apg. What part didn't you see?

Dinwiddie can drive to the rim or shoot by himself and creates offense for others with 7 APG, THJ needs to be assisted to get his points. If you convert those 7 APG to 2 pts each, that's 34 points per game he creates on his own. No small feat. A secondary ball handler is ideal to have so Luka doesn't have to dribble and be point guard for 48 minutes. And yes, I do not trust Brunson and/or Burke to suddenly get averages of 20 and 7. Dinwiddie reminds me of a 6'5 version of Jason Terry. If Lebron can run offenses at SF with Kyrie at PG, Luka can too.
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Re: So... which free agents are left in 2021 for the Mavs? 

Post#144 » by HMFFL » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:00 pm

ejs78 wrote:Wanted it then and want it now....Richaun Holmes

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I'd like to have him too.
He's going to want job security and a longterm deal this offseason. He will be paid.

@ 27 years old he has secured the starting role for Sacramento and they'll do what it takes to keep him. He will possibly stay loyal to them since they've believed in him. 10m+ per season is what I project him to make.





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Post#145 » by ejs78 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:21 pm

No one should stay loyal to the Kings
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ejs78 wrote:Wanted it then and want it now....Richaun Holmes

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I'd like to have him too.
He's going to want job security and a longterm deal this offseason. He will be paid.

@ 27 years old he has secured the starting role for Sacramento and they'll do what it takes to keep him. He will possibly stay loyal to them since they've believed in him. 10m+ per season is what I project him to make.





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Post#146 » by arkuo » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:00 am

Dream offseason scenario:

Trade Johnson + DFS + Brunson to Orlando for Aaron Gordon before the deadline.
Sign Spencer Dinwiddie for $20M in the summer. Match his current deal.
Re-sign Richardson to $12M. Take it or leave it deal.
Re-sign THJ to the full MLE of like $10M

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF - Gordon / Kleber / Powell
SF- Richardson / THJ
SG- Dinwiddie / Green / Terry
PG - Doncic / Burke
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Post#147 » by HMFFL » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:01 pm

ejs78 wrote:No one should stay loyal to the Kings
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ejs78 wrote:Wanted it then and want it now....Richaun Holmes

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I'd like to have him too.
He's going to want job security and a longterm deal this offseason. He will be paid.

@ 27 years old he has secured the starting role for Sacramento and they'll do what it takes to keep him. He will possibly stay loyal to them since they've believed in him. 10m+ per season is what I project him to make.





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The Kings have a bad culture, players use them for money, and those same players just wait to be traded, or for free agency again. It's been a cycle!

At his age it will be all about a longterm contract a d money. The Kings cannot let him walk.

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Post#148 » by Apz » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:29 pm

arkuo wrote:Dream offseason scenario:

Trade Johnson + DFS + Brunson to Orlando for Aaron Gordon before the deadline.
Sign Spencer Dinwiddie for $20M in the summer. Match his current deal.
Re-sign Richardson to $12M. Take it or leave it deal.
Re-sign THJ to the full MLE of like $10M

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF - Gordon / Kleber / Powell
SF- Richardson / THJ
SG- Dinwiddie / Green / Terry
PG - Doncic / Burke


So basicly Lose Thj and richardson anf dfs and johnson and brunson for Aaron Gordon. Ye, bet that will make us a better team next season. There is zero reason ti be cheap on thj richardson or even johnson.

If we want gordon, offer magic powell boban brunson and top 10-lotto prot 1st. They get a reasonably young pg to handke stuff til fultz get back, always a marjet for boban and the 1st to cover the rest of the girdon/powell value.

In the end it comes down to if magic wantd to keep him or they embrace a rebuild around fultz and isaac and want to tank next season and this
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Post#149 » by arkuo » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:45 pm

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arkuo wrote:Dream offseason scenario:

Trade Johnson + DFS + Brunson to Orlando for Aaron Gordon before the deadline.
Sign Spencer Dinwiddie for $20M in the summer. Match his current deal.
Re-sign Richardson to $12M. Take it or leave it deal.
Re-sign THJ to the full MLE of like $10M

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF - Gordon / Kleber / Powell
SF- Richardson / THJ
SG- Dinwiddie / Green / Terry
PG - Doncic / Burke


So basicly Lose Thj and richardson anf dfs and johnson and brunson for Aaron Gordon. Ye, bet that will make us a better team next season. There is zero reason ti be cheap on thj richardson or even johnson.

If we want gordon, offer magic powell boban brunson and top 10-lotto prot 1st. They get a reasonably young pg to handke stuff til fultz get back, always a marjet for boban and the 1st to cover the rest of the girdon/powell value.

In the end it comes down to if magic wantd to keep him or they embrace a rebuild around fultz and isaac and want to tank next season and this


RIchardson will ask for 18 to 20M
THJ will ask for 18M
Johnson is 33 years old. You want to give him a fresh contract?
DFS has one more year. He will ask for a contract similar to a Robert Covington type
Brunson's ceiling can be a career 2nd string PG. Which can be addressed by getting Dinwiddie as a 2nd playmaker.

You really want to pay Richardson, THJ, Johnson and DFS fresh 4 year contracts? You do realize that once you lock those guys in, that will be the team. No picks, no trade assets. That's locked in. Are you convinced that same team with the same names have got enough to get over the Lakers? Because if your answer is no, then Dallas is just playing for 2nd place in the West with your plan.

A lot of people are convinced that the team, currently built as it is, is enough to get over the hump? once you sign all those names back to fresh 4 year deals, you will be in a treadmill for a couple of years.
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Post#150 » by Apz » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:48 pm

Know what? I hope mavs make a deal with richardson and prlmises him a nice cintract next offseason if he accepts his po. Then we dont have to worry about his caphold. Can the numbers for thjs caphold be correct that im looking at? Says 28m
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Post#151 » by arkuo » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:51 pm

Apz wrote:Know what? I hope mavs make a deal with richardson and prlmises him a nice cintract next offseason if he accepts his po. Then we dont have to worry about his caphold. Can the numbers for thjs caphold be correct that im looking at? Says 28m


You missed the point, buddy.

Let me put it in simpler terms. You know Portland right?

One All Star - Damian Lillard
One Fringe All Star - CJ Mccollum
Overpaid Cast, Capped Out

Do you think Portland has enough to compete with the Lakers? Because the Mavs will look exactly the same once you lock in THJ, RIchardson, James Johnson and DFS to fresh 4 year deals.

One all star (Luka), One fringe all star (Porzingis), Overpaid cast and no more cap space and picks. That's all she wrote.

The reason why Cuban kept signing vets to one year deals back when DIrk was here was to keep the flexibility there. Because locking in people to long term deals to a team that is not good enough to compete for 1st place defeats the purpose of proper team building. You're just competing for 2nd place that way.
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Post#152 » by JD45 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:58 pm

Apz wrote:Know what? I hope mavs make a deal with richardson and prlmises him a nice cintract next offseason if he accepts his po. Then we dont have to worry about his caphold. Can the numbers for thjs caphold be correct that im looking at? Says 28m



Veteran Free Agents

The Bird Exception is for players who have been under contract with the same team for at least 3 seasons or are under such contract and have been acquired via trade and it allows teams to sign players up to the max. The cap hold for Bird Free Agents is (i) 190% of the player’s prior salary if such salary was below the average NBA salary, or (ii) the lower of 150% of the player’s prior salary and the max salary that player can sign if the players prior salary was above the average NBA salary.


JRich's $10.9 mil salary. I think that is above the average. So his cap hold would be $16.4 mil.
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Post#153 » by Apz » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:02 pm

arkuo wrote:
Apz wrote:
arkuo wrote:Dream offseason scenario:

Trade Johnson + DFS + Brunson to Orlando for Aaron Gordon before the deadline.
Sign Spencer Dinwiddie for $20M in the summer. Match his current deal.
Re-sign Richardson to $12M. Take it or leave it deal.
Re-sign THJ to the full MLE of like $10M

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF - Gordon / Kleber / Powell
SF- Richardson / THJ
SG- Dinwiddie / Green / Terry
PG - Doncic / Burke


So basicly Lose Thj and richardson anf dfs and johnson and brunson for Aaron Gordon. Ye, bet that will make us a better team next season. There is zero reason ti be cheap on thj richardson or even johnson.

If we want gordon, offer magic powell boban brunson and top 10-lotto prot 1st. They get a reasonably young pg to handke stuff til fultz get back, always a marjet for boban and the 1st to cover the rest of the girdon/powell value.

In the end it comes down to if magic wantd to keep him or they embrace a rebuild around fultz and isaac and want to tank next season and this


RIchardson will ask for 18 to 20M
THJ will ask for 18M
Johnson is 33 years old. You want to give him a fresh contract?
DFS has one more year. He will ask for a contract similar to a Robert Covington type
Brunson's ceiling can be a career 2nd string PG. Which can be addressed by getting Dinwiddie as a 2nd playmaker.

You really want to pay Richardson, THJ, Johnson and DFS fresh 4 year contracts? You do realize that once you lock those guys in, that will be the team. No picks, no trade assets. That's locked in. Are you convinced that same team with the same names have got enough to get over the Lakers? Because if your answer is no, then Dallas is just playing for 2nd place in the West with your plan.

A lot of people are convinced that the team, currently built as it is, is enough to get over the hump? once you sign all those names back to fresh 4 year deals, you will be in a treadmill for a couple of years.


U think the team without them and only add gordon will? Its the last window, rather have players on reasonable contracts that is possible to use in trades since that wull be the only way after luka gets his contract. Only thing your idea does is add gordon. Wont make us have capspace in the future, we just lose players we have birdrights on and can go over the cap with. Why u think gsw took dlo and then wiggins? Not because they thought they were great players but to still be able to use that salary in the future instead of it just dissapearing.

Johnson im not sure about. Probably release and try to sign on mle or something. But the rest im pretty sure gives us atleast as good chance as grabbing gordon and a dinwiddie that we wont have bext season and when he get back he might be half as good as he was before and I was really not impressed by him even then
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Post#154 » by HMFFL » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:34 pm

If and when the NBA expands the roster sizes in the current season does Isaiah Thomas interest any of you?

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HMFFL wrote:If and when the NBA expands the roster sizes in the current season does Isaiah Thomas interest any of you?

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Yes, but knowing Carlisle and Donnie, I have a gut feeling we just bring back JJ Barea instead.
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Post#156 » by Apz » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:34 pm

Not really. We got terry in that size qnf dont think they do more then 1 mavs jersey in ultrasmall.

Lot if other guys that should be more intresting. For every rookie that joins the league someone loses their spot
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Post#157 » by Pinkyring » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:47 am

Idc how good the player, anymore deals for role players is just shuffling deck chairs, unless we get steals i don't want to add more depth. We need a star or someone with star potential and consolidate some of this depth even if we have to start unloading '26 and '28 first. We aren't a role player away rven if it's a great one, this is a stsrs league
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Post#158 » by Apz » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 am

Wojldnt mind a star or great prospect and wouldnt mind giving ever 2nd pick. Dont get availabld often tho, abz ig got to be someone that fits. So no pgs of centers and no bad defenders. But we cant sell ghe roleplayers that fit the team like dfs, thj, kleber or jrich. We are seeing how our bench would look like now when they are out and its not a pretty sight.

How many years out can u trade picks? Know 25 is available but is 27 available yet?
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Post#159 » by arkuo » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 am

Unpopular opinion:

Might be alone on this one, but I feel the team is no where near finished. I do feel we TRY to compete the next season and are better off waiting for 2022 free agency when Beal and Gordon hit the market. No use overpaying for guys like Oladipo. Even with him on board, it is still no enough to get past the Lakers in a 7 game series. So I do feel we will cruise and wait for the right time. With Luka being 21, our timeline is waaaay down there. Let Lebron and KD finish their years, once that's out of the way, we can hope we were able to assemble a team that is ready to compete when the time comes. But for now, I dont see the need to overpay for players that only lets us finish in the middle of the West.
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Post#160 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:33 am

arkuo wrote:Unpopular opinion:

Might be alone on this one, but I feel the team is no where near finished. I do feel we TRY to compete the next season and are better off waiting for 2022 free agency when Beal and Gordon hit the market. No use overpaying for guys like Oladipo. Even with him on board, it is still no enough to get past the Lakers in a 7 game series. So I do feel we will cruise and wait for the right time. With Luka being 21, our timeline is waaaay down there. Let Lebron and KD finish their years, once that's out of the way, we can hope we were able to assemble a team that is ready to compete when the time comes. But for now, I dont see the need to overpay for players that only lets us finish in the middle of the West.

Luka will be over the hills and far away by the time we have finished waiting, same for KP. You can't keep such stars around if you're not going to try to win. We have to get active this year and stop wasting time otherwise we'll go back to a perpetual mediocricy and likely won't draft another Luka.

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