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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#201 » by drsd » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:35 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:People like to say that the team with the worst record is most likely to end up with the #5 pick.

This is false.

The team with the worst record is more likely to get the #5 pick than any other selection in pair-wise odds. However, the odds of getting a #1-4 pick is higher than getting the #5 pick.

Likewise for the second worst team. Their highest individual spot is also #5 but they are collectively more likely to land within the top 4.

... and on down it goes.


Specifically, the worst three teams all have the same odds to land a top-4 pick in the collective: 52.14%.

According to that narrative, being worst or third-worst is the same.

It is a weird shape for most probable selection. For example:
worst = 5th
second worst = 5th

Obviously both teams cannot land at their most probable slot.

And this continues to pair. As:
third worst = 6th
fourth worst = 6th

fifth worst = 7th
sixth worst = 7th

seventh worst = 8th
eight worst = 8th


I for one am interested to see how the league will place teams in the draft when they progress/fail in the play-in games.
For example: Does a 7th seed that fails to make the playoffs go in to the draft? What about a 10-seed that does make the playoffs?


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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#202 » by Def Swami » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:55 pm

This might seem unpopular, but I think I'd draft Suggs #1 over Cunningham. They're both great prospects, but I just love Suggs' court vision and selflessness. I also feel that he has a little more burst to his game. He's also playing with way better teammates.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#203 » by KillMonger » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:43 am

just ran tankathon mock draft and ended up 4th and drafting jonathan kuminga....can dreams come true? lol
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Post#204 » by Magicfanatic82 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:46 am

KillMonger wrote:just ran tankathon mock draft and ended up 4th and drafting jonathan kuminga....can dreams come true? lol

Ran it about 24 times to see us get cade @1.
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Post#205 » by Magicfanatic82 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:51 am

Def Swami wrote:This might seem unpopular, but I think I'd draft Suggs #1 over Cunningham. They're both great prospects, but I just love Suggs' court vision and selflessness. I also feel that he has a little more burst to his game. He's also playing with way better teammates.

Suggs looks great but he does have a great team around him. I still like Cade 1st but at this point with our team we should be back to BPA. Even if thats Mobley we need the best player we can get if picking that high.
On a side note there are some nice shooting wings to keep am eye on mid lotto like Bouknight and Moody.
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Post#206 » by RookieStar » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:02 am

Def Swami wrote:This might seem unpopular, but I think I'd draft Suggs #1 over Cunningham. They're both great prospects, but I just love Suggs' court vision and selflessness. I also feel that he has a little more burst to his game. He's also playing with way better teammates.


One thing about Suggs is that his game depends on his athleticism compared to Cade. Yeah he probably is.more athletic but that to me means that he is more prone to injury compared to a guy like Cade who is as effective but his game looks like he is just coasting.

And with the seasons we had where injuries killed us... i wanna stay away from that.

But who.knows... down the wire in the ncaa tourney if Suggs shows the killer winner gene then im down with him. But for now im leaning towards Cade
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Post#207 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 am

drsd wrote:I for one am interested to see how the league will place teams in the draft when they progress/fail in the play-in games.
For example: Does a 7th seed that fails to make the playoffs go in to the draft? What about a 10-seed that does make the playoffs?


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If the 10th seed makes the playoffs they are out of the lottery
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Post#208 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:00 am

I don’t know enough about Mobley or Kuminga yet to involve them because I’m choosing not to explore their tape yet.

Right now you’re not going to get me to complain about a scenario where anyone tell me my fortune and it reads: “Orlando drafts Cade, Suggs or Green”
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Post#209 » by Bensational » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:45 am

Def Swami wrote:This might seem unpopular, but I think I'd draft Suggs #1 over Cunningham. They're both great prospects, but I just love Suggs' court vision and selflessness. I also feel that he has a little more burst to his game. He's also playing with way better teammates.


I find Suggs much more enjoyable to watch play, as well. His feel for the game and fluidity for the speed he plays at looks special. Cade looks good, too, but he seems like something of a Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram fusion, but not in the best way. As good as he is, something about his game just seems to be lacking.

I've been down on drafting bigs for a while but Mobley might be an exception if he is as good as teased and part of a new gen of C's. Imagine Jokic with Bam's defense?

Suggs for me is like taking Ja over Zion. I preferred Ja back then and still do today and long term, but many talking heads seem to regard Cade like they did Zion.
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Post#210 » by drsd » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:37 am

jonbob17 wrote:If the 10th seed makes the playoffs they are out of the lottery


I agree that is how it should be and it is most certain, but I have not actually seen that written down.


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Post#211 » by Tarheel » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:50 pm

Bensational wrote:Suggs for me is like taking Ja over Zion. I preferred Ja back then and still do today and long term, but many talking heads seem to regard Cade like they did Zion.


I think it's less a Ja/Zion comparison than a (theoretical) Fultz/Tatum comparison.

Zion is a outlier in any debate because he is incomparable physically to anyone in league history, other than maybe Barkley or a shorter Shaq. Ja is the more valuable of those two, IMO, because he doesn't require a team to be built around him to impact winning in the way that Zion does. Zion has a more talented team around him, but the Grizzlies are better. Build the right team around Zion and he will be devastating, but it's a much more difficult proposition.

Suggs has the potential to be what Fultz could have been (without the TOS) - his ceiling for me is kinda like Jason Kidd, and Cade has the potential to be Tatum with Doncic-lite feel.

While I would be over the moon if either somehow ended on the Magic (waiting for these hopes to be dashed when we trade for Bledsoe and scrap our way to the 8th seed with a losing record), to me the more valuable archetype in the modern NBA is the do-it-all wing with court vision - as such I currently value Cade higher than Suggs.

As with everything draft though, it's all a crap shoot at the end of the day. The teams these two end up on, the coaches they end up playing for and what their mental makeup is will determine who is the better player more than their height and skillset.
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Post#212 » by Skin » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:50 pm

Tarheel wrote:
Bensational wrote:Suggs for me is like taking Ja over Zion. I preferred Ja back then and still do today and long term, but many talking heads seem to regard Cade like they did Zion.


I think it's less a Ja/Zion comparison than a (theoretical) Fultz/Tatum comparison.

Zion is a outlier in any debate because he is incomparable physically to anyone in league history, other than maybe Barkley or a shorter Shaq. Ja is the more valuable of those two, IMO, because he doesn't require a team to be built around him to impact winning in the way that Zion does. Zion has a more talented team around him, but the Grizzlies are better. Build the right team around Zion and he will be devastating, but it's a much more difficult proposition.

Suggs has the potential to be what Fultz could have been (without the TOS) - his ceiling for me is kinda like Jason Kidd, and Cade has the potential to be Tatum with Doncic-lite feel.

While I would be over the moon if either somehow ended on the Magic (waiting for these hopes to be dashed when we trade for Bledsoe and scrap our way to the 8th seed with a losing record), to me the more valuable archetype in the modern NBA is the do-it-all wing with court vision - as such I currently value Cade higher than Suggs.

As with everything draft though, it's all a crap shoot at the end of the day. The teams these two end up on, the coaches they end up playing for and what their mental makeup is will determine who is the better player more than their height and skillset.

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Post#213 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:05 pm

ESPN+ has a write up on the upcoming G-League.

A great scouting profile on the early performances of Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga since we last saw them.

WOW ...

Green sounds better than ever. Hard not to fall in love with the idea of Green, Suggs or Cade.
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Post#214 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:31 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:ESPN+ has a write up on the upcoming G-League.

A great scouting profile on the early performances of Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga since we last saw them.

WOW ...

Green sounds better than ever. Hard not to fall in love with the idea of Green, Suggs or Cade.
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Post#215 » by Skin » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:10 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:ESPN+ has a write up on the upcoming G-League.

A great scouting profile on the early performances of Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga since we last saw them.

WOW ...

Green sounds better than ever. Hard not to fall in love with the idea of Green, Suggs or Cade.

Way too many teams smarter than us who will be tanking for a top 5 pick. Count us out. We all know come the latter part of the season we will pick up a ton of meaningless wins against all the bad teams purposely trying to lose. Lucky if we get the 10th pick.
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Post#216 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:12 pm

Skin wrote:Way too many teams smarter than us who will be tanking for a top 5 pick. Count us out. We all know come the latter part of the season we will pick up a ton of meaningless wins against all the bad teams purposely trying to lose. Lucky if we get the 10th pick.


We'll see.

The Magic have played the easiest schedule in the league thus far and are still just 8-11.

The second half schedule is going to be absolutely brutal.
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Post#217 » by Skin » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:24 pm

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Skin wrote:Way too many teams smarter than us who will be tanking for a top 5 pick. Count us out. We all know come the latter part of the season we will pick up a ton of meaningless wins against all the bad teams purposely trying to lose. Lucky if we get the 10th pick.


We'll see.

The Magic have played the easiest schedule in the league thus far and are still just 8-11.

The second half schedule is going to be absolutely brutal.

I forgot to add... the Magic will be one pick away from being able to land one of the elite guys too.

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Post#218 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:25 pm

Def Swami wrote:This might seem unpopular, but I think I'd draft Suggs #1 over Cunningham. They're both great prospects, but I just love Suggs' court vision and selflessness. I also feel that he has a little more burst to his game. He's also playing with way better teammates.


I’m at Suggs / Cade / Green = I don’t give a ****.

Any of those 3 would be absolutely amazing. I’m not complaining at all.

We will see how things develop. Maybe someone drops off the list and it shrinks? Maybe the list expands? Maybe my list remains at 3 but names are changed?
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Post#219 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:17 pm

We shouldn't undersell Mobley either. He is *extremely* good. I think the case could easily be made he's better than Wiseman was a year ago.

But he's not a guy the Magic could pick unless they moved Vucevic.
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Post#220 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:25 pm

Knightro wrote:We shouldn't undersell Mobley either. He is *extremely* good. I think the case could easily be made he's better than Wiseman was a year ago.

But he's not a guy the Magic could pick unless they moved Vucevic.
Mobley is more of a PF tho.

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