Cavs 2020-21 season

[jbk1234]

I was the same way at the same age very angry kid and so I can relate to him in this and do not think the Cavs are wrong to want to move him but if they fn waive him I am done as a Cavs fan

If I hear that KPJ wanted to apologize to Altman and the team and wasn't given a chance, I'll be disappointed. If I hear that he didn't even reach out to do that, you got to let him go. He's a young man, but he's still a man, and it's on him to man up and accept some responsibility at this point. You can't talk that modern-day-slavery mess to a black GM. It's too much to ask Altman to swallow absent an apology.

All I know is if my coach or GM has my locker moved and I find out when I go into the LR that a guy they just traded for is standing in front of it next to other teammates I am A. embarrassed as hell B. Mad as F and C. want to know where the hell my stuff is at and why somebody thought they could touch it. That is mistreating me and violating my privacy black white or otherwise as so him going off on whomever was responsible for it had it coming and if anything the Cavs "lost him" over this and if anything they should apologize to him and the fanbase.

All of that is wrong. It's the team's locker. Not yours. You don't own the locker room or the building. Letting you clean on your locker when you're cut is a curtesy. The idea that you would screw up that badly, miss the start of the season as a second year player due to off the court issues, after you dropped in the draft due to off the court issues, and throw a fit because they moved your locker is nuts. Altman reportedly came in to explain that they moved it in part because of Covid restriction. KPJ looks promising, he could even break out, but he scored 10ppg off the bench on meh efficiency his rookie year. He's not LBJ. If he doesn't want to apologize, the Cavs should cut him because that's a sign he doesn't get it.

[Stillwater]

If I hear that KPJ wanted to apologize to Altman and the team and wasn't given a chance, I'll be disappointed. If I hear that he didn't even reach out to do that, you got to let him go. He's a young man, but he's still a man, and it's on him to man up and accept some responsibility at this point. You can't talk that modern-day-slavery mess to a black GM. It's too much to ask Altman to swallow absent an apology.

All I know is if my coach or GM has my locker moved and I find out when I go into the LR that a guy they just traded for is standing in front of it next to other teammates I am A. embarrassed as hell B. Mad as F and C. want to know where the hell my stuff is at and why somebody thought they could touch it. That is mistreating me and violating my privacy black white or otherwise as so him going off on whomever was responsible for it had it coming and if anything the Cavs "lost him" over this and if anything they should apologize to him and the fanbase.

All of that is wrong. It's the team's locker. Not yours. You don't own the locker room or the building. Letting you clean on your locker when you're cut is a curtesy. The idea that you would screw up that badly, miss the start of the season as a second year player due to off the court issues, after you dropped in the draft due to off the court issues, and throw a fit because they moved your locker is nuts. Altman reportedly came in to explain that they moved it in part because of Covid restriction. KPJ looks promising, he could even break out, but he scored 10ppg off the bench on meh efficiency his rookie year. He's not LBJ. If he doesn't want to apologize, the Cavs should cut him because that's a sign he doesn't get it.

sorry but I think you are incorrect on this one man. The locker is theirs not the stuff inside it. I have had to contact former employees who left locks on their lockers to get their permission to discard their personal items before cutting the lock to give it to a new employee . It really shouldnt have gotten to that extreme and sure he shouldnt have gotten in Kobys face or whatever just for that I guess but to act as if he didnt deserve to be treated like a member of the Cavs core is lunacy.

[jbk1234]

All I know is if my coach or GM has my locker moved and I find out when I go into the LR that a guy they just traded for is standing in front of it next to other teammates I am A. embarrassed as hell B. Mad as F and C. want to know where the hell my stuff is at and why somebody thought they could touch it. That is mistreating me and violating my privacy black white or otherwise as so him going off on whomever was responsible for it had it coming and if anything the Cavs "lost him" over this and if anything they should apologize to him and the fanbase.

All of that is wrong. It's the team's locker. Not yours. You don't own the locker room or the building. Letting you clean on your locker when you're cut is a curtesy. The idea that you would screw up that badly, miss the start of the season as a second year player due to off the court issues, after you dropped in the draft due to off the court issues, and throw a fit because they moved your locker is nuts. Altman reportedly came in to explain that they moved it in part because of Covid restriction. KPJ looks promising, he could even break out, but he scored 10ppg off the bench on meh efficiency his rookie year. He's not LBJ. If he doesn't want to apologize, the Cavs should cut him because that's a sign he doesn't get it.

sorry but I think you are incorrect on this one man. The locker is theirs not the stuff inside it. I have had to contact former employees who left locks on their lockers to get their permission to discard their personal items before cutting the lock to give it to a new employee . It really shouldnt have gotten to that extreme and sure he shouldnt have gotten in Kobys face or whatever just for that I guess but to act as if he didnt deserve to be treated like a member of the Cavs core is lunacy.

Your employer has you do that because to avoid litigation. But I 100% promise you that if a former employee refused to give permission, the lock is getting cut off anyway. They're not going to let the former employee just steal that locker indefinitely. We don't even know that he had stuff in his locker. Players usually clean out their lockers at the end of the season and he hadn't even practiced with the team yet. The reporting is that he was mad because his new locker was in the same location with the third teamers.

After everything that happened with the young man, he was no longer a part of the Cavs core. He was barely holding onto a roster spot. He may have just lost it.

[Stillwater]

I think if in fact he didnt have any possessions in his old locker which I doubt since he was already back practicing with the team before the trade, then yes he over reacted like a little b and probably did it on purpose to get cut so he could join a org that will actually give him some minutes maybe an org with less concerns about character etc. I mean they should never have drafted a kid like KPJ if they thought they had to change him for him to be part of their system.
I love people as is I dont try to make them change but unfortunately the world is less compassionate and that seems to be the case here even if you feel he was at the end of his rope, I think he deserved another chance on the court before demoting him.

[jbk1234]

Here's some more detail. Sounds like this was more of a straw that broke the camel's back.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/01/cleveland-cavaliers-hoping-the-best-for-kevin-porter-jr-but-believe-moving-on-needed-to-happen-for-sake-of-culture.html

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[Stillwater]

Here's some more detail. Sounds like this was more of a straw that broke the camel's back.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/01/cleveland-cavaliers-hoping-the-best-for-kevin-porter-jr-but-believe-moving-on-needed-to-happen-for-sake-of-culture.html

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it says that he is banished from the team facility for now
wtf I thought the reports were he is gone no matter what now this report sounds more real and so they might be trying to move him but the part about just cutting him if they cant which would be a huge mistake maybe isnt true I sure hope for their sake they just find a trade, but my gut says they have killed any trade value by leaking this bs and unless HE does not want to be there, needs to be brought back into the mix at a later date and given one last chance

[Stillwater]

https://blacksportsonline.com/2021/01/kevin-porter-jr-told-koby-altman-the-nba-was-just-modern-day-slavery-before-throwing-food-at-him-hes-been-banned-from-team/3/

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[jbk1234]

Here's some more detail. Sounds like this was more of a straw that broke the camel's back.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/01/cleveland-cavaliers-hoping-the-best-for-kevin-porter-jr-but-believe-moving-on-needed-to-happen-for-sake-of-culture.html

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it says that he is banished from the team facility for now
wtf I thought the reports were he is gone no matter what now this report sounds more real and so they might be trying to move him but the part about just cutting him if they cant which would be a huge mistake maybe isnt true I sure hope for their sake they just find a trade, but my gut says they have killed any trade value by leaking this bs and unless HE does not want to be there, needs to be brought back into the mix at a later date and given one last chance

It leaked on Monday. They spent the weekend trying to trade him. He has no trade value.

They said in the article that this was not an isolated incident. He's been disrespecting teammates and coaching staff. What did it for me was his teammates basically saying it's sad, but it had to happen. The Cavs are trying to build something. A culture where players are accountable. Everyone bought in but him.

It is what it is.

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[Stillwater]

Since they haven't gotten any trade offers they like so it seems their better off keeping him on the roster then waiving him imo and i dont think for one second those teammates are saying anything beyond what they expect is going to happen etc. It doesn't mean they want him gone even though im sure a couple that have gotten extended pt in his absence would secretly be happy.
If he was just a role player it would be one thing and he might have been resistant to the level of ball movement and selflessness jbb is preaching given kpj is an iso scorer so if anything he probably wants out but the mistake if thats true is this org not seeing that and failing to trade him before the breaking point etc.
Whatever happens like i said before they waive him im done wth this org unless he brought guns in the locker room or actually punched koby then they are being chicken **** about it imo

[jbk1234]

Since they haven't gotten any trade offers they like so it seems their better off keeping him on the roster then waiving him imo and i dont think for one second those teammates are saying anything beyond what they expect is going to happen etc. It doesn't mean they want him gone even though im sure a couple that have gotten extended pt in his absence would secretly be happy.
If he was just a role player it would be one thing and he might have been resistant to the level of ball movement and selflessness jbb is preaching given kpj is an iso scorer so if anything he probably wants out but the mistake if thats true is this org not seeing that and failing to trade him before the breaking point etc.
Whatever happens like i said before they waive him im done wth this org unless he brought guns in the locker room or actually punched koby then they are being chicken **** about it imo

If you're done, you're done. I'm a fan of the team. The organization tried to do right by him and he's the one who blew it. You're inventing, from whole cloth, a lot of reasons why this is the team's fault when this is 100% on KPJ.

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

At the end of the day, the NBA is a professional league. They pay you good money. If you need counseling, you should get it. If you need medication, take it. But there's only so much anyone can realistically ask any team to do.

Hopefully he gets it together and goes on to have a good career with someone else. But if he's thinking like you and blaming the team instead of taking a good long look in the mirror, he'll be out of the NBA before his rookie contract is up.

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[JonFromVA]

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

According to the rumor mill, he was let back with the team not because he'd progressed as the team wished; but because they were out of things to try. The locker-room incident would had been a footnote in Cavs history like Ira Newble and Paul Silas getting in to it, if this KPJ wasn't already grasping his last straw.

[Stillwater]

Since they haven't gotten any trade offers they like so it seems their better off keeping him on the roster then waiving him imo and i dont think for one second those teammates are saying anything beyond what they expect is going to happen etc. It doesn't mean they want him gone even though im sure a couple that have gotten extended pt in his absence would secretly be happy.
If he was just a role player it would be one thing and he might have been resistant to the level of ball movement and selflessness jbb is preaching given kpj is an iso scorer so if anything he probably wants out but the mistake if thats true is this org not seeing that and failing to trade him before the breaking point etc.
Whatever happens like i said before they waive him im done wth this org unless he brought guns in the locker room or actually punched koby then they are being chicken **** about it imo

If you're done, you're done. I'm a fan of the team. The organization tried to do right by him and he's the one who blew it. You're inventing, from whole cloth, a lot of reasons why this is the team's fault when this is 100% on KPJ.

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

At the end of the day, the NBA is a professional league. They pay you good money. If you need counseling, you should get it. If you need medication, take it. But there's only so much anyone can realistically ask any team to do.

Hopefully he gets it together and goes on to have a good career with someone else. But if he's thinking like you and blaming the team instead of taking a good long look in the mirror, he'll be out of the NBA before his rookie contract is up.

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I cant support any org that pretending to be compassionate towards a kid struggling off the court with the life that follows him into the league when they demand he abandon it for the sake of growing up . I passed up some so called great opportunities in my life when i was being pressured to conform to a belief system counter to how i was raised. They called it growing up i call it falling in line and in Kpj case he did initially try to but when you take a kid like that and try to put all his skill in a cage instead of using him to his strength hes not going to be interested because it means you have decided his future is less than he sees it as. He might never play in the nba again, but i guarantee you he wont ever regret sticking to his guns even if he is misunderstanding motives. Odds are they could have traded him for a late first on draft day so imo they suck if he is just cut which seems inevitable now.

[JonFromVA]

Since they haven't gotten any trade offers they like so it seems their better off keeping him on the roster then waiving him imo and i dont think for one second those teammates are saying anything beyond what they expect is going to happen etc. It doesn't mean they want him gone even though im sure a couple that have gotten extended pt in his absence would secretly be happy.
If he was just a role player it would be one thing and he might have been resistant to the level of ball movement and selflessness jbb is preaching given kpj is an iso scorer so if anything he probably wants out but the mistake if thats true is this org not seeing that and failing to trade him before the breaking point etc.
Whatever happens like i said before they waive him im done wth this org unless he brought guns in the locker room or actually punched koby then they are being chicken **** about it imo

If you're done, you're done. I'm a fan of the team. The organization tried to do right by him and he's the one who blew it. You're inventing, from whole cloth, a lot of reasons why this is the team's fault when this is 100% on KPJ.

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

At the end of the day, the NBA is a professional league. They pay you good money. If you need counseling, you should get it. If you need medication, take it. But there's only so much anyone can realistically ask any team to do.

Hopefully he gets it together and goes on to have a good career with someone else. But if he's thinking like you and blaming the team instead of taking a good long look in the mirror, he'll be out of the NBA before his rookie contract is up.

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I cant support any org that pretending to be compassionate towards a kid struggling off the court with the life that follows him into the league when they demand he abandon it for the sake of growing up . I passed up some so called great opportunities in my life when i was being pressured to conform to a belief system counter to how i was raised. They called it growing up i call it falling in line and in Kpj case he did initially try to but when you take a kid like that and try to put all his skill in a cage instead of using him to his strength hes not going to be interested because it means you have decided his future is less than he sees it as. He might never play in the nba again, but i guarantee you he wont ever regret sticking to his guns even if he is misunderstanding motives. Odds are they could have traded him for a late first on draft day so imo they suck if he is just cut which seems inevitable now.

I tried to write a reply, but having deleted it 3x already, I'm giving up.

Just wow.

[jbk1234]

Since they haven't gotten any trade offers they like so it seems their better off keeping him on the roster then waiving him imo and i dont think for one second those teammates are saying anything beyond what they expect is going to happen etc. It doesn't mean they want him gone even though im sure a couple that have gotten extended pt in his absence would secretly be happy.
If he was just a role player it would be one thing and he might have been resistant to the level of ball movement and selflessness jbb is preaching given kpj is an iso scorer so if anything he probably wants out but the mistake if thats true is this org not seeing that and failing to trade him before the breaking point etc.
Whatever happens like i said before they waive him im done wth this org unless he brought guns in the locker room or actually punched koby then they are being chicken **** about it imo

If you're done, you're done. I'm a fan of the team. The organization tried to do right by him and he's the one who blew it. You're inventing, from whole cloth, a lot of reasons why this is the team's fault when this is 100% on KPJ.

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

At the end of the day, the NBA is a professional league. They pay you good money. If you need counseling, you should get it. If you need medication, take it. But there's only so much anyone can realistically ask any team to do.

Hopefully he gets it together and goes on to have a good career with someone else. But if he's thinking like you and blaming the team instead of taking a good long look in the mirror, he'll be out of the NBA before his rookie contract is up.

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I cant support any org that pretending to be compassionate towards a kid struggling off the court with the life that follows him into the league when they demand he abandon it for the sake of growing up . I passed up some so called great opportunities in my life when i was being pressured to conform to a belief system counter to how i was raised. They called it growing up i call it falling in line and in Kpj case he did initially try to but when you take a kid like that and try to put all his skill in a cage instead of using him to his strength hes not going to be interested because it means you have decided his future is less than he sees it as. He might never play in the nba again, but i guarantee you he wont ever regret sticking to his guns even if he is misunderstanding motives. Odds are they could have traded him for a late first on draft day so imo they suck if he is just cut which seems inevitable now.

Again, you're inventing nonsensical reasons to justify his behavior. The Cavs aren't asking him to wear a thin blue line t-shirt, or not speak out on social issues. Show up on time. Be available. Don't repeatedly get into legal trouble. Seek counseling if you need it. Be respectful of your coworkers. Basically don't be a detriment to the organization. These are the basic requirements of any job. You've convinced yourself there are other problems that are the Cavs fault when there's just no evidence of them *putting his skill in a cage.*

[Harper4Ferry?]

If you're done, you're done. I'm a fan of the team. The organization tried to do right by him and he's the one who blew it. You're inventing, from whole cloth, a lot of reasons why this is the team's fault when this is 100% on KPJ.

The reality is that half the teams in the league would've cut him in the offseason due to his off-the-court issues before his guarantee date. None of the on-the-court stuff you're talking about happened because he couldn't get it together enough to get on the court this season.

At the end of the day, the NBA is a professional league. They pay you good money. If you need counseling, you should get it. If you need medication, take it. But there's only so much anyone can realistically ask any team to do.

Hopefully he gets it together and goes on to have a good career with someone else. But if he's thinking like you and blaming the team instead of taking a good long look in the mirror, he'll be out of the NBA before his rookie contract is up.

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I cant support any org that pretending to be compassionate towards a kid struggling off the court with the life that follows him into the league when they demand he abandon it for the sake of growing up . I passed up some so called great opportunities in my life when i was being pressured to conform to a belief system counter to how i was raised. They called it growing up i call it falling in line and in Kpj case he did initially try to but when you take a kid like that and try to put all his skill in a cage instead of using him to his strength hes not going to be interested because it means you have decided his future is less than he sees it as. He might never play in the nba again, but i guarantee you he wont ever regret sticking to his guns even if he is misunderstanding motives. Odds are they could have traded him for a late first on draft day so imo they suck if he is just cut which seems inevitable now.

I tried to write a reply, but having deleted it 3x already, I'm giving up.

Just wow.

even trying to respond is a complete energy drain.

[Stillwater]

I cant support any org that pretending to be compassionate towards a kid struggling off the court with the life that follows him into the league when they demand he abandon it for the sake of growing up . I passed up some so called great opportunities in my life when i was being pressured to conform to a belief system counter to how i was raised. They called it growing up i call it falling in line and in Kpj case he did initially try to but when you take a kid like that and try to put all his skill in a cage instead of using him to his strength hes not going to be interested because it means you have decided his future is less than he sees it as. He might never play in the nba again, but i guarantee you he wont ever regret sticking to his guns even if he is misunderstanding motives. Odds are they could have traded him for a late first on draft day so imo they suck if he is just cut which seems inevitable now.

I tried to write a reply, but having deleted it 3x already, I'm giving up.

Just wow.

even trying to respond is a complete energy drain.

Why am I not surprised a couple fans that are already throwing him under the buss since he is gone or might as well be are acting as if a poster like myself is irrational because they claim to be done with this org if they cut him . The bottom line is if they were so invested in him up until now how t f did they not see this coming? they should have if they were so imo they are either fos and the whole pot stinks of sours or more likely they were not in fact fully invested in anything other than pretending they cared or understood just to keep him on a leash.
Now I will concede that he still could have acted more mature and most people would have because they care about their jobs , but someone who has been getting fd over by authority figures their entire life should not be expected to take it lightly when they are fd with.
You can say it was no big deal and he should suck it up and quit being a little b...but the truth is probably more likely he had a legit complaint and felt devalued and shi on so like anyone with any pride in their heart he got mad and I dont fault him for it at all if in fact they have been holding him out this season claiming it was personal reasons when in fact it was org reasons.
At the end of the day he was the one kid on the roster with superstar potential... so that alone makes this a massive fail

[JonFromVA]

I tried to write a reply, but having deleted it 3x already, I'm giving up.

Just wow.

even trying to respond is a complete energy drain.

Why am I not surprised a couple fans that are already throwing him under the buss since he is gone or might as well be are acting as if a poster like myself is irrational because they claim to be done with this org if they cut him . The bottom line is if they were so invested in him up until now how t f did they not see this coming? they should have if they were so imo they are either fos and the whole pot stinks of sours or more likely they were not in fact fully invested in anything other than pretending they cared or understood just to keep him on a leash.
Now I will concede that he still could have acted more mature and most people would have because they care about their jobs , but someone who has been getting fd over by authority figures their entire life should not be expected to take it lightly when they are fd with.
You can say it was no big deal and he should suck it up and quit being a little b...but the truth is probably more likely he had a legit complaint and felt devalued and shi on so like anyone with any pride in their heart he got mad and I dont fault him for it at all if in fact they have been holding him out this season claiming it was personal reasons when in fact it was org reasons.
At the end of the day he was the one kid on the roster with superstar potential... so that alone makes this a massive fail

Nah, giving up on the team is the most rational thing you've said in a while.

As for the Cavs, they took a small gamble and lost ... and they're moving on before it really costs them. Big whoop.

[Stillwater]

even trying to respond is a complete energy drain.

Why am I not surprised a couple fans that are already throwing him under the buss since he is gone or might as well be are acting as if a poster like myself is irrational because they claim to be done with this org if they cut him . The bottom line is if they were so invested in him up until now how t f did they not see this coming? they should have if they were so imo they are either fos and the whole pot stinks of sours or more likely they were not in fact fully invested in anything other than pretending they cared or understood just to keep him on a leash.
Now I will concede that he still could have acted more mature and most people would have because they care about their jobs , but someone who has been getting fd over by authority figures their entire life should not be expected to take it lightly when they are fd with.
You can say it was no big deal and he should suck it up and quit being a little b...but the truth is probably more likely he had a legit complaint and felt devalued and shi on so like anyone with any pride in their heart he got mad and I dont fault him for it at all if in fact they have been holding him out this season claiming it was personal reasons when in fact it was org reasons.
At the end of the day he was the one kid on the roster with superstar potential... so that alone makes this a massive fail

Nah, giving up on the team is the most rational thing you've said in a while.

As for the Cavs, they took a small gamble and lost ... and they're moving on before it really costs them. Big whoop.

Really thats what your take is from this? Dude I said I am done with this ORG not the Cavs players.
wtf is wrong with you people smh

[jbk1234]

Why am I not surprised a couple fans that are already throwing him under the buss since he is gone or might as well be are acting as if a poster like myself is irrational because they claim to be done with this org if they cut him . The bottom line is if they were so invested in him up until now how t f did they not see this coming? they should have if they were so imo they are either fos and the whole pot stinks of sours or more likely they were not in fact fully invested in anything other than pretending they cared or understood just to keep him on a leash.
Now I will concede that he still could have acted more mature and most people would have because they care about their jobs , but someone who has been getting fd over by authority figures their entire life should not be expected to take it lightly when they are fd with.
You can say it was no big deal and he should suck it up and quit being a little b...but the truth is probably more likely he had a legit complaint and felt devalued and shi on so like anyone with any pride in their heart he got mad and I dont fault him for it at all if in fact they have been holding him out this season claiming it was personal reasons when in fact it was org reasons.
At the end of the day he was the one kid on the roster with superstar potential... so that alone makes this a massive fail

Nah, giving up on the team is the most rational thing you've said in a while.

As for the Cavs, they took a small gamble and lost ... and they're moving on before it really costs them. Big whoop.

Really thats what your take is from this? Dude I said I am done with this ORG not the Cavs players.
wtf is wrong with you people smh

Decide how much you want to continue posting on this forum and decide soon.

[Stillwater]

Nah, giving up on the team is the most rational thing you've said in a while.

As for the Cavs, they took a small gamble and lost ... and they're moving on before it really costs them. Big whoop.

Really thats what your take is from this? Dude I said I am done with this ORG not the Cavs players.
wtf is wrong with you people smh

Decide how much you want to continue posting on this forum and decide soon.

Yeah I get it. Frustrated as hell with this org is all and when fans act like I am wrong for being that way they come off as cold and couldnt care less about the players at all. At which point I wonder why they even bother posting other than to aggravate fans of the team.