Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[bisme37]

Has Brad ever said that his team is good? lol.

Too lazy to find quotes but yes, he's spoken well about at least 3 of the last 5 rosters he's had.

He never praises his team early in the season tho

If he praised the team we'd be saying he's soft and doesn't know how to lead or motivate.

[GoGreen]

No matter what coach we have there will always be a large sect of fans that aren't happy. I don't think we can do much better than Stevens tbh

[yeleven11]

No matter what coach we have there will always be a large sect of fans that aren't happy. I don't think we can do much better than Stevens tbh

Complaining about Danny or Brad for not being better is like complaining about Tatum being not as good as KD. Yeah, they're not perfect, but what realistic alternatives are there?

[bucknersrevenge]

No matter what coach we have there will always be a large sect of fans that aren't happy. I don't think we can do much better than Stevens tbh

Complaining about Danny or Brad for not being better is like complaining about Tatum being not as good as KD. Yeah, they're not perfect, but what realistic alternatives are there?

I don't know about Danny. But for Brad...maybe Sam Cassell, maybe Chauncey Billups gets a call, or maybe Becky Hammon.

[yeleven11]

No matter what coach we have there will always be a large sect of fans that aren't happy. I don't think we can do much better than Stevens tbh

Complaining about Danny or Brad for not being better is like complaining about Tatum being not as good as KD. Yeah, they're not perfect, but what realistic alternatives are there?

I don't know about Danny. But for Brad...maybe Sam Cassell, maybe Chauncey Billups gets a call, or maybe Becky Hammon.

So what happens when you hire one of those guys and turn out to be worse than Brad?? New and different doesnt always mean better.

[ConstableGeneva]

Cs have gone to the ECF 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Only the Warriors have done that.

Stevens and co. have done it without a single future HOF in his prime on the roster and despite **** injury luck. The past 10 champs had Lebron, Curry/KD, Kawhi and Dirk (you can go back 30 years further). So until Ainge has given Brad a real #1 on a contender, I see our past teams as over-achievers with how deep they've gone in the postseason despite injuries and roster construction.

EDIT: Not saying he's criticism-proof. But if we're talking about what he's achieved with what we've got, I'm not sure how you could ask for more. I mean, what have the coaches of Giannis/Harden/CP3 done or AD prior to joining Lebron?

[OBisHalJordan]

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[bucknersrevenge]

Complaining about Danny or Brad for not being better is like complaining about Tatum being not as good as KD. Yeah, they're not perfect, but what realistic alternatives are there?

I don't know about Danny. But for Brad...maybe Sam Cassell, maybe Chauncey Billups gets a call, or maybe Becky Hammon.

So what happens when you hire one of those guys and turn out to be worse than Brad?? New and different doesnt always mean better.

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

[yeleven11]

I don't know about Danny. But for Brad...maybe Sam Cassell, maybe Chauncey Billups gets a call, or maybe Becky Hammon.

So what happens when you hire one of those guys and turn out to be worse than Brad?? New and different doesnt always mean better.

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

[bucknersrevenge]

So what happens when you hire one of those guys and turn out to be worse than Brad?? New and different doesnt always mean better.

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

So you said but whether the "grass is greener" or not has zero to do with the question you first asked that I answered. And as for whether or not they're better than Brad, how exactly do you propose to quantify that? You interview people, see what they're about, their philosophies, their work ethic, same as an interview for any job and if you like them you hire them. No disrespect but your "make sure they're better than Brad" comment is pretty meaningless.

[yeleven11]

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

So you said but whether the "grass is greener" or not has zero to do with the question you first asked that I answered. And as for whether or not they're better than Brad, how exactly do you propose to quantify that? You interview people, see what they're about, their philosophies, their work ethic, same as an interview for any job and if you like them you hire them. No disrespect but your "make sure they're better than Brad" comment is pretty meaningless.

Brad was hired because of all those reasons you mentioned and continued to prove that he fit those philosophies and the results show that. You only make the change if the new coach fits all of that and the front office/ownership comes to the decision that that new coach will lead to better results.

[BostonCouchGM]

So what happens when you hire one of those guys and turn out to be worse than Brad?? New and different doesnt always mean better.

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

meh, worst case scenario, we remain pretenders and don't win a championship, just like we've been doing with Brad. Ainge should go before Brad though

[yeleven11]

I dunno. What happens when you hire those coaches (one was a woman, not a man, btw) and they turn out to be better than Brad?? Sometimes a new approach IS better. I don't get the point of this question. In other news, what happens if you leave your house and get hit by a crosstown bus??

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

meh, worst case scenario, we remain pretenders and don't win a championship, just like we've been doing with Brad. Ainge should go before Brad though

Worst case scenario Tatum or Brown asks out in 3-4 years and we find out that firing Brad was the first domino for one of them. THAT is the worst case scenario.

[31to6]

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[bucknersrevenge]

My point was that the grass isnt always greener on the other side. If you hire one of them, you better be sure theyre better than brad.

So you said but whether the "grass is greener" or not has zero to do with the question you first asked that I answered. And as for whether or not they're better than Brad, how exactly do you propose to quantify that? You interview people, see what they're about, their philosophies, their work ethic, same as an interview for any job and if you like them you hire them. No disrespect but your "make sure they're better than Brad" comment is pretty meaningless.

Brad was hired because of all those reasons you mentioned and continued to prove that he fit those philosophies and the results show that. You only make the change if the new coach fits all of that and the front office/ownership comes to the decision that that new coach will lead to better results.

LOL I would hope so. That's the only reason any franchise makes a coaching change. I still don't get what any of this has to do with the question I answered but okay. You asked about other options, I listed options. YOU may not prefer them but they are valid, legitimate options and the fact that they don't have Brad's win/loss record shouldn't preclude them, considering the fact that Brad was a college coach before we hired him. You saying "what's the alternative?", in this case, is lazy, IMO. So I gave you 3 very real, very credible coaching options. And what philosophies has he proven that he fits?? I don't understand this comment. I said "interview another coach and see what their coaching philosophies are".

[yeleven11]

So you said but whether the "grass is greener" or not has zero to do with the question you first asked that I answered. And as for whether or not they're better than Brad, how exactly do you propose to quantify that? You interview people, see what they're about, their philosophies, their work ethic, same as an interview for any job and if you like them you hire them. No disrespect but your "make sure they're better than Brad" comment is pretty meaningless.

Brad was hired because of all those reasons you mentioned and continued to prove that he fit those philosophies and the results show that. You only make the change if the new coach fits all of that and the front office/ownership comes to the decision that that new coach will lead to better results.

LOL I would hope so. That's the only reason any franchise makes a coaching change. I still don't get what any of this has to do with the question I answered but okay. You asked about other options, I listed options. YOU may not prefer them but they are valid, legitimate options and the fact that they don't have Brad's win/loss record shouldn't preclude them, considering the fact that Brad was a college coach before we hired him. You saying "what's the alternative?", in this case, is lazy, IMO. So I gave you 3 very real, very credible coaching options. And what philosophies has he proven that he fits?? I don't understand this comment. I said "interview another coach and see what their coaching philosophies are".

Look, my point was that when you make a decision to fire a good coach (Brad), you need to have options that you think are better. You presented names without saying why they're better.

Also, it's not that serious man lol. No need to be all riled up about it lol. I'm sorry if you're offended.

[Jammer]

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EXACTLY how I thought it worked with Boston. ESPECIALLY the comments about Mike Zarren. No surprises here.

[bucknersrevenge]

Brad was hired because of all those reasons you mentioned and continued to prove that he fit those philosophies and the results show that. You only make the change if the new coach fits all of that and the front office/ownership comes to the decision that that new coach will lead to better results.

LOL I would hope so. That's the only reason any franchise makes a coaching change. I still don't get what any of this has to do with the question I answered but okay. You asked about other options, I listed options. YOU may not prefer them but they are valid, legitimate options and the fact that they don't have Brad's win/loss record shouldn't preclude them, considering the fact that Brad was a college coach before we hired him. You saying "what's the alternative?", in this case, is lazy, IMO. So I gave you 3 very real, very credible coaching options. And what philosophies has he proven that he fits?? I don't understand this comment. I said "interview another coach and see what their coaching philosophies are".

Look, my point was that when you make a decision to fire a good coach (Brad), you need to have options that you think are better. You presented names without saying why they're better.

Also, it's not that serious man lol. No need to be all riled up about it lol. I'm sorry if you're offended.

No, it's all good. I promise. To respond to your point (which is fair) I'll say this. Whether one believes that any of those 3 are better options is subjective and Danny may not be able to tell without doing more in-depth analysis, talking to other coaches, scouts, etc. And in the end, an interview is probably going to be the deciding factor which you obviously won't do before firing Brad. All that said, I can't tell you that I'm sure all 3 are better but I will tell what I like about those names as potential hires.

Sam and Chauncey are former players, championship players at that. They walk in the door with a cache that Brad couldn't dream of having. They understand the players of this league which gives them an edge I think in understanding how to manage egos (something that has come up from time to time with Brad). They have tutored under respected names in this league. They're point guards who have run teams and that insight from the standpoint of understanding how good offense functions as a whole gives them a leg up.

Becky Hammon has had a distinguished college and professional basketball career in the NWBL, the WNBA, and overseas. She has a wealth of basketball experience that translates and she's spent the last 6 seasons learning under an all-time Top 5 Hall of Fame coach. She also walks in the door with a better (playing career) resume than Brad.

Each of these 3 candidates have a TON of respect in this league that cannot be quantified. Each of them will command it in the lockerroom. And while I know Brad has the respect of his players as well, there have been times when some have questioned his willingness to be "the bad guy" or crack the whip when it's necessary to hold guys accountable. Some guys don't respond to the tough love approach and need prodding. But others respond to being challenged to do more. Brad doesn't have both these things in his arsenal and I wonder if it's at least in part because he's never played the game at a professional level.

[yeleven11]

LOL I would hope so. That's the only reason any franchise makes a coaching change. I still don't get what any of this has to do with the question I answered but okay. You asked about other options, I listed options. YOU may not prefer them but they are valid, legitimate options and the fact that they don't have Brad's win/loss record shouldn't preclude them, considering the fact that Brad was a college coach before we hired him. You saying "what's the alternative?", in this case, is lazy, IMO. So I gave you 3 very real, very credible coaching options. And what philosophies has he proven that he fits?? I don't understand this comment. I said "interview another coach and see what their coaching philosophies are".

Look, my point was that when you make a decision to fire a good coach (Brad), you need to have options that you think are better. You presented names without saying why they're better.

Also, it's not that serious man lol. No need to be all riled up about it lol. I'm sorry if you're offended.

No, it's all good. I promise. To respond to your point (which is fair) I'll say this. Whether one believes that any of those 3 are better options is subjective and Danny may not be able to tell without doing more in-depth analysis, talking to other coaches, scouts, etc. And in the end, an interview is probably going to be the deciding factor which you obviously won't do before firing Brad. All that said, I'll tell what I like about those 3 names as potential hires.

Sam and Chauncey are former players, championship players at that. They walk in the door with a cache that Brad couldn't dream of having. They understand the players of this league which gives them an edge I think in understanding how to manage egos (something that has come up from time to time with Brad). They have tutored under respected names in this league. They're point guards who have run teams and that insight from the standpoint of understanding how good offense functions as a whole gives them a leg up.

Becky Hammon has had a distinguished college and professional basketball career in the NWBL, the WNBA, and overseas. She has a wealth of basketball experience that translates and she's spent the last 6 seasons learning under an all-time Top 5 Hall of Fame coach. She also walks in the door with a better resume then Brad.

Each of these 3 candidates have a TON of respect in this league that cannot be quantified. Each of them will command it in the lockerroom. And while I know Brad has the respect of his players as well, there have been times when some have questioned his willingness to be "the bad guy" or crack the whip when it's necessary to hold guys accountable. Some guys don't respond to the tough love approach and need prodding. But others respond to being challenged to do more. Brad doesn't have both these things in his arsenal and I wonder if it's at least in part because he's never played the game at a professional level.

I think those are all good points but we also have plenty of examples of former players being coaches and not succeeding. This is what I mean by "grass isnt always greener on the other side." We might get a former player as a coach who might be better at the things you mentioned, but they might not be as good scheme-wise. There's always a give and take. I just think that Brad is pretty good scheme-wise especially on the defensive end and because he's our coach we tend to focus on the things he SUPPOSEDLY doesnt do. FWIW, Evan Turner in his playing days said everyone thinks Brad is a nice guy because of his demeanor but in reality, hes not afraid to call guys out behind closed doors.

[bucknersrevenge]

Look, my point was that when you make a decision to fire a good coach (Brad), you need to have options that you think are better. You presented names without saying why they're better.

Also, it's not that serious man lol. No need to be all riled up about it lol. I'm sorry if you're offended.

No, it's all good. I promise. To respond to your point (which is fair) I'll say this. Whether one believes that any of those 3 are better options is subjective and Danny may not be able to tell without doing more in-depth analysis, talking to other coaches, scouts, etc. And in the end, an interview is probably going to be the deciding factor which you obviously won't do before firing Brad. All that said, I'll tell what I like about those 3 names as potential hires.

Sam and Chauncey are former players, championship players at that. They walk in the door with a cache that Brad couldn't dream of having. They understand the players of this league which gives them an edge I think in understanding how to manage egos (something that has come up from time to time with Brad). They have tutored under respected names in this league. They're point guards who have run teams and that insight from the standpoint of understanding how good offense functions as a whole gives them a leg up.

Becky Hammon has had a distinguished college and professional basketball career in the NWBL, the WNBA, and overseas. She has a wealth of basketball experience that translates and she's spent the last 6 seasons learning under an all-time Top 5 Hall of Fame coach. She also walks in the door with a better resume then Brad.

Each of these 3 candidates have a TON of respect in this league that cannot be quantified. Each of them will command it in the lockerroom. And while I know Brad has the respect of his players as well, there have been times when some have questioned his willingness to be "the bad guy" or crack the whip when it's necessary to hold guys accountable. Some guys don't respond to the tough love approach and need prodding. But others respond to being challenged to do more. Brad doesn't have both these things in his arsenal and I wonder if it's at least in part because he's never played the game at a professional level.

I think those are all good points but we also have plenty of examples of former players being coaches and not succeeding. This is what I mean by "grass isnt always greener on the other side." We might get a former player as a coach who might be better at the things you mentioned, but they might not be as good scheme-wise. There's always a give and take. I just think that Brad is pretty good scheme-wise especially on the defensive end and because he's our coach we tend to focus on the things he SUPPOSEDLY doesnt do. FWIW, Evan Turner in his playing days said everyone thinks Brad is a nice guy because of his demeanor but in reality, hes not afraid to call guys out behind closed doors.

Hey, if the point you're making is "you never know", I get it. I will happily concede that point. And I will also concede that my feelings on Brad have changed a little. It sounds like you're still pretty confident in him and that's cool. I am less confident in him now which is why I had no problem coming up with alternatives. There are examples of players who became good coaches. Examples of guys who flamed out too. The risk in hiring a potential flameout just doesn't scare me more than it would scare me to stick with a coach who I thought couldn't get it done just because he has a good regular season record. There's risk either way, I guess is my final point. But we'll see what happens.