Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[JAR69]

What are the chances the Warriors draft someone better than Herro with that pick? I think the odds are low.

Thanks for the responses. There is some skepticism on the Wizards board about Herro, though I'm personally a fan and think he would be better to keep. Some folks want to maximize picks, and the best one potentially available is Minny's. Herro seems like a good fit for you guys - young, smart, good shooter. I imagine he would do very well in your system. And more on your timeline than a potential high 2021 or 2022 pick.

And some asked about getting more for Beal. I think the answer is maybe. Looking around the league, there aren't many teams who would be willing to do a Brooklyn-like haul for Beal. One way to address that for those who want all picks is to take some from different teams.

Final question - do you think you be willing to do more for Herro? A future 2024 or 2026 pick swap?

The Warriors already traded their 2024 1st top 4 protected to Memphis. So the Warriors don’t have much in the way of picks that are eligible to be traded.

I’d throw in someone like Eric Paschal if it got the deal done for Herro. But like I’ve said, I’m a big fan of Herro and the Warriors desperately need a young, talented player that can shoot.

As it pertains to Beal, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors push their chips in to try to get Beal should he become available. The Warriors would definitely put the Minnesota pick on the table for a talent like Beal....The real question is would they be willing to part with Wiseman also? I know they love Wiseman so I’m not sure about that part.

And if the Warriors don’t offer up Wiseman, you guys would be able to find a better offer somewhere else. It should be very interesting to see how the Beal situation plays out. Do you think the Wizards will put him on the market soon?

Probably not. If they continue to lose games, the likelihood goes up that Beal sees no future and wants out. It isn't clear if he would ask for a trade, but even if he doesn't, the Wizards may get proactive to maximize value. OTOH, they genuinely want to keep Beal, so they aren't going to move unless they have no real choice. And the Wizards also have a tradition of waiting too long to move players. Even with a new GM in place, that may be a product of ownership.

[ShayDee]

Thanks for the responses. There is some skepticism on the Wizards board about Herro, though I'm personally a fan and think he would be better to keep. Some folks want to maximize picks, and the best one potentially available is Minny's. Herro seems like a good fit for you guys - young, smart, good shooter. I imagine he would do very well in your system. And more on your timeline than a potential high 2021 or 2022 pick.

And some asked about getting more for Beal. I think the answer is maybe. Looking around the league, there aren't many teams who would be willing to do a Brooklyn-like haul for Beal. One way to address that for those who want all picks is to take some from different teams.

Final question - do you think you be willing to do more for Herro? A future 2024 or 2026 pick swap?

The Warriors already traded their 2024 1st top 4 protected to Memphis. So the Warriors don’t have much in the way of picks that are eligible to be traded.

I’d throw in someone like Eric Paschal if it got the deal done for Herro. But like I’ve said, I’m a big fan of Herro and the Warriors desperately need a young, talented player that can shoot.

As it pertains to Beal, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors push their chips in to try to get Beal should he become available. The Warriors would definitely put the Minnesota pick on the table for a talent like Beal....The real question is would they be willing to part with Wiseman also? I know they love Wiseman so I’m not sure about that part.

And if the Warriors don’t offer up Wiseman, you guys would be able to find a better offer somewhere else. It should be very interesting to see how the Beal situation plays out. Do you think the Wizards will put him on the market soon?

Probably not. If they continue to lose games, the likelihood goes up that Beal sees no future and wants out. It isn't clear if he would ask for a trade, but even if he doesn't, the Wizards may get proactive to maximize value. OTOH, they genuinely want to keep Beal, so they aren't going to move unless they have no real choice. And the Wizards also have a tradition of waiting too long to move players. Even with a new GM in place, that may be a product of ownership.

Actually wait. Some might be willing to do the trade. I personally wouldn't do it and think it's an overpay. What Herro was doing in the bubble was nice and all but I think it was not sustainable and he would not get nearly as much green light for us than some other teams. The minny pick would be closer to a franchise player than Herro currently is imo and if we are going to deal Herro for the pick, it would require us to get more than just Herro and I am almost sure that the FO thinks the same. There is a reason we did not trade the pick this summer, it's because they view it as one of the most expensive assets out there and if we are giving it up, it will be for a current allstar or someone of Zion/Morant caliber

[vagelis]

Trade for Rose he will be a huge addition for the second unit of the Warriors.
I think Rose is the only easy to get player who can have a big impact in playoffs

[tarantism]

Read on Twitter

trade Poole for KPJ

would basically be a do-over on our pick

I posted about this in Around the NBA yesterday. If we can get him - especially for Poole who is useless - we should 100% do it. Such a low-risk, high reward acquisition.

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[tarantism]

Trade for Rose he will be a huge addition for the second unit of the Warriors.
I think Rose is the only easy to get player who can have a big impact in playoffs

I don't personally get the obsession with Rose. He shoots below league average from 3 and relies on ball-dominant pick and roll play, which isn't what we do. Small, injury prone and not a good defender. I just don't see the fit or how he raises our ceiling relative to the assets we'd have to unload to acquire him.

But I've never been a Rose fan so there's that.

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[ChuckDurn]

Read on Twitter

trade Poole for KPJ

would basically be a do-over on our pick

I posted about this in Around the NBA yesterday. If we can get him - especially for Poole who is useless - we should 100% do it. Such a low-risk, high reward acquisition.

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Yeah, I agree. I like Poole’s attitude and work ethic, but don’t see him ever surpassing becoming about an 8th man. I would want to understand Porter’s personal situation a little more, but assuming it isn’t insane, I might consider even adding a little asset on top of Poole (i.e. some money, or a 2022 2nd round pick) to try to get it done......

[tarantism]

Read on Twitter

trade Poole for KPJ

would basically be a do-over on our pick

I posted about this in Around the NBA yesterday. If we can get him - especially for Poole who is useless - we should 100% do it. Such a low-risk, high reward acquisition.

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Yeah, I agree. I like Poole’s attitude and work ethic, but don’t see him ever surpassing becoming about an 8th man. I would want to understand Porter’s personal situation a little more, but assuming it isn’t insane, I might consider even adding a little asset on top of Poole (i.e. some money, or a 2022 2nd round pick) to try to get it done......

Well, Porter had a drunk driving accident but avoided conviction over the summer. That seems to be where his problems began.

There is definitely some immaturity there and it has led to a big rift with Cleveland management. Imo its nothing that he wouldn't shed with some age and a new situation.

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[InWestWeTrust]

I'd give Kyrie Porter Jr a flyer on the 3rd 2 way deal when/if they add it. That's about it.

[Coxy]

Apparently Kevin Porter Jnr is a knuckle head of the highest order. That should scare off most teams. You just don't need those sorts of guys in your franchise, they cause more problems than people realise.

Of course I don't know the guy, just going off media reports and the forum based chatter round these parts. A lot of Cavs fand claim he's a sandwich short of a picnic.

[vagelis]

Apparently Kevin Porter Jnr is a knuckle head of the highest order. That should scare off most teams. You just don't need those sorts of guys in your franchise, they cause more problems than people realise.

Of course I don't know the guy, just going off media reports and the forum based chatter round these parts. A lot of Cavs fand claim he's a sandwich short of a picnic.

Most probably yes he may be immature but you say it right, we don't know the guy and the media write what they want.
Based to the media reports Lamelo Ball had the lowest IQ in the draft referring to his interviews. But I think the completely opposite is the truth based to what he is doing on the court.

[Coxy]

Apparently Kevin Porter Jnr is a knuckle head of the highest order. That should scare off most teams. You just don't need those sorts of guys in your franchise, they cause more problems than people realise.

Of course I don't know the guy, just going off media reports and the forum based chatter round these parts. A lot of Cavs fand claim he's a sandwich short of a picnic.

Most probably yes he may be immature but you say it right, we don't know the guy and the media write what they want.
Based to the media reports Lamelo Ball had the lowest IQ in the draft referring to his interviews. But I think the completely opposite is the truth based to what he is doing on the court.

Off court IQ isn't the same as on court IQ. Lamello clearly has a way above average basketball IQ, but he hasn't shown anything close to having a thug-like, idiotic immaturity off the court like Kevin Porter Jnr.

I mean, arrests, drugs, guns, punching women in the face, starting locker room food fights in a hissy fit, how many red flags do you need on a guy to understand that by bringing him in, you are stating the world that you aren't a high character franchise anymore, and are desperate for any sort of talent?

[vagelis]

Apparently Kevin Porter Jnr is a knuckle head of the highest order. That should scare off most teams. You just don't need those sorts of guys in your franchise, they cause more problems than people realise.

Of course I don't know the guy, just going off media reports and the forum based chatter round these parts. A lot of Cavs fand claim he's a sandwich short of a picnic.

Most probably yes he may be immature but you say it right, we don't know the guy and the media write what they want.
Based to the media reports Lamelo Ball had the lowest IQ in the draft referring to his interviews. But I think the completely opposite is the truth based to what he is doing on the court.

Off court IQ isn't the same as on court IQ. Lamello clearly has a way above average basketball IQ, but he hasn't shown anything close to having a thug-like, idiotic immaturity off the court like Kevin Porter Jnr.

I mean, arrests, drugs, guns, punching women in the face, starting locker room food fights in a hissy fit, how many red flags do you need on a guy to understand that by bringing him in, you are stating the world that you aren't a high character franchise anymore, and are desperate for any sort of talent?

Ok, I agree for Porter he seems to be a bad character(or maybe immature and uneducated). There are facts about this and you wrote those facts.
But what I want to say, is that I don't have full trust to the media if they say opinions. They write things because they have to some times or for many other reasons.

[tarantism]

Yeah I didn't realize Porter Jr. had assaulted a woman. I'm pretty out on the idea after finding that out.

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[Coxy]

Most probably yes he may be immature but you say it right, we don't know the guy and the media write what they want.
Based to the media reports Lamelo Ball had the lowest IQ in the draft referring to his interviews. But I think the completely opposite is the truth based to what he is doing on the court.

Off court IQ isn't the same as on court IQ. Lamello clearly has a way above average basketball IQ, but he hasn't shown anything close to having a thug-like, idiotic immaturity off the court like Kevin Porter Jnr.

I mean, arrests, drugs, guns, punching women in the face, starting locker room food fights in a hissy fit, how many red flags do you need on a guy to understand that by bringing him in, you are stating the world that you aren't a high character franchise anymore, and are desperate for any sort of talent?

Ok, I agree for Porter he seems to be a bad character(or maybe immature and uneducated). There are facts about this and you wrote those facts.
But what I want to say, is that I don't have full trust to the media if they say opinions. They write things because they have to some times or for many other reasons.

Yeah neither do I, but these are police charges, direct reports from professional services, and direct quotes from Clevelands management, so It'd be hard for media to spin that stuff over the top anymore than what it is, because these things are pretty bad. The reported things he has been accused of doing are exactly the things you DON'T want to have to worry about from an employee you are paying a large amount of money for, to be a bench backup guy for you.

I doubt any franchise takes the risk. Even Minnesota might pass as he and Malik Beasley would be a nightmare on the same team. I think the best thing for Kevin Porter Jnr to do now is learn Chinese.

[vagelis]

Off court IQ isn't the same as on court IQ. Lamello clearly has a way above average basketball IQ, but he hasn't shown anything close to having a thug-like, idiotic immaturity off the court like Kevin Porter Jnr.

I mean, arrests, drugs, guns, punching women in the face, starting locker room food fights in a hissy fit, how many red flags do you need on a guy to understand that by bringing him in, you are stating the world that you aren't a high character franchise anymore, and are desperate for any sort of talent?

Ok, I agree for Porter he seems to be a bad character(or maybe immature and uneducated). There are facts about this and you wrote those facts.
But what I want to say, is that I don't have full trust to the media if they say opinions. They write things because they have to some times or for many other reasons.

Yeah neither do I, but these are police charges, direct reports from professional services, and direct quotes from Clevelands management, so It'd be hard for media to spin that stuff over the top anymore than what it is, because these things are pretty bad. The reported things he has been accused of doing are exactly the things you DON'T want to have to worry about from an employee you are paying a large amount of money for, to be a bench backup guy for you.

I doubt any franchise takes the risk. Even Minnesota might pass as he and Malik Beasley would be a nightmare on the same team. I think the best thing for Kevin Porter Jnr to do now is learn Chinese.

Warriors will not have an interest for him for sure. I think that Warriors value characters for their environment.
But maybe another team will take a chance with him. There are many players who played in NBA who had law issues but were talented enough to find contracts.

[vagelis]

Trade for D. Rose , he will be a big upgrade for the backup pg

[whatisacenter]

Trade for D. Rose , he will be a big upgrade for the backup pg

yeah, I wanted him with the DPE for a while even tho I had high hopes for Wannamaker after watching him in the bubble...now not so much. I think the team could live with the less than stellar defense from Rose for his ability to break down a defense off the bench.

[tarantism]

Trade for D. Rose , he will be a big upgrade for the backup pg

yeah, I wanted him with the DPE for a while even tho I had high hopes for Wannamaker after watching him in the bubble...now not so much. I think the team could live with the less than stellar defense from Rose for his ability to break down a defense off the bench.

Personally I don't like the idea of adding another player to this team unless they are an above average three point shooter who can play effectively next to Steph on both sides of the ball.

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[Dubnation2020]

I wouldn't mind Aaron Gordon for Oubre and Poole... Orlando gets out of one year left on Gordon's contract and gets a player in Oubre who they can basically see if his worth it for them to keep him.

[azwfan]

I wouldn't mind Aaron Gordon for Oubre and Poole... Orlando gets out of one year left on Gordon's contract and gets a player in Oubre who they can basically see if his worth it for them to keep him.

Best thing about this is if Orlando plays hardball and wants more we can give them Smiley too.