Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[skulky]

Right so best fits are Beal, CJ, Lavine. I think Chicago makes the most sense, organizationally. We’d probably need to give up Ben for Beal, and I don’t think Portland wants to break up CJ, Dame.

Thybulle, Harris, 2021 FRP, 2023 FRP, 2022 2nd for Otto Porter, Lavine.

Harris off the books. Porter gives you a defensive big body that can shoot the 3.

Ben Maxey Curry
Lavine Shake
Danny
Porter
Embiid Dwight

Major cap flexibility moving Tobias for Porter. Personnel allows us to give big or small. Lavine Embiid and Ben are a seamless fit... speed and shooting next to Ben. We can move Ben to the 4 and Porter to the bench

Chicago is not going to eat tobias harris’ contract for Thybulle and 2 late firsts and a decent 2nd rounder for Lavine. I don’t see anyway you’re getting Lavine with that offer. They could easily get more talent and draft compensation without Harris’ extremely negative contract. If they’re giving up Lavine and going full rebuild they don’t want all that cap tied up and Thybulle at this point is very one dimensional.

I don’t see a world where Chicago gets more than 2 frp for Lavine. Plus young value in Thybulle... We know Eversely values Thybulle immensely. Unclear what Chicago’s long term goals are, but Tobias should make them better, but yea they’d want more probably to eat that contract

Yeah I agree with your value of Lavine, just think tobias’ contract is a tough sell. I hate the idea of Simmons for Lavine I’ve seen tossed around. But would love if there’s anyway of acquiring Lavine for some combo of picks, green/Harris, and Thybulle/Maxey.

Lavine is putting up career highs (including turnovers) and playing very efficient. His TS% after last nights Houston game is up to 64%. Side note tobias Harris’ TS% is 59.8 right now. Lavine while upping his assists still not much a distributor, although playing more within the flow of the offense this year. His usage rate is down 2% this year while increasing all his counting stats. Lavine can be a mixed bag in the last 2 minutes, and has had career terrible +- numbers. His defense is still not great, but has cleaned up some of the more boneheaded plays he was prone to.

[the_process]

Fine. DET offer.

Simmons, Scott, and Ferguson to DET for Griffin, Bey, 2021 1st (1 & 17-30 protected), 2022 swap, 2023 1st top 4 protected, 2024 swap, 2025 lotto protected 1st, 2026 swap (if Philly owes 2026 to OKC swap rights are extinguished)

[davesilver]

Chicago is not going to eat tobias harris’ contract for Thybulle and 2 late firsts and a decent 2nd rounder for Lavine. I don’t see anyway you’re getting Lavine with that offer. They could easily get more talent and draft compensation without Harris’ extremely negative contract. If they’re giving up Lavine and going full rebuild they don’t want all that cap tied up and Thybulle at this point is very one dimensional.

I don’t see a world where Chicago gets more than 2 frp for Lavine. Plus young value in Thybulle... We know Eversely values Thybulle immensely. Unclear what Chicago’s long term goals are, but Tobias should make them better, but yea they’d want more probably to eat that contract

Yeah I agree with your value of Lavine, just think tobias’ contract is a tough sell. I hate the idea of Simmons for Lavine I’ve seen tossed around. But would love if there’s anyway of acquiring Lavine for some combo of picks, green/Harris, and Thybulle/Maxey.

Lavine is putting up career highs (including turnovers) and playing very efficient. His TS% after last nights Houston game is up to 64%. Side note tobias Harris’ TS% is 59.8 right now. Lavine while upping his assists still not much a distributor, although playing more within the flow of the offense this year. His usage rate is down 2% this year while increasing all his counting stats. Lavine can be a mixed bag in the last 2 minutes, and has had career terrible +- numbers. His defense is still not great, but has cleaned up some of the more boneheaded plays he was prone to.

Well said. No chance I'm entertaining a Simmons <-> Lavine offer. Ben and Embiid's strengths would hide Lavine's weaknesses, and vice versa. Seems like a match made in heaven, particularly with age in mind. A Maxey, Thybulle, 1st, and maybe a 2nd for Lavine seems like a very fair asking price. Something like...
Ben
Shake Curry
Lavine Green
Tobias
Embiid Dwight

[skulky]

Fine. DET offer.

Simmons, Scott, and Ferguson to DET for Griffin, Bey, 2021 1st (1 & 17-30 protected), 2022 swap, 2023 1st top 4 protected, 2024 swap, 2025 lotto protected 1st, 2026 swap (if Philly owes 2026 to OKC swap rights are extinguished)

I don’t won’t just pick compensation for Ben Simmons. If I’m trading Ben Simmons I want a player or players that are going to make the team and embiid better right now.

[youngcrev]

I don’t see a world where Chicago gets more than 2 frp for Lavine. Plus young value in Thybulle... We know Eversely values Thybulle immensely. Unclear what Chicago’s long term goals are, but Tobias should make them better, but yea they’d want more probably to eat that contract

Yeah I agree with your value of Lavine, just think tobias’ contract is a tough sell. I hate the idea of Simmons for Lavine I’ve seen tossed around. But would love if there’s anyway of acquiring Lavine for some combo of picks, green/Harris, and Thybulle/Maxey.

Lavine is putting up career highs (including turnovers) and playing very efficient. His TS% after last nights Houston game is up to 64%. Side note tobias Harris’ TS% is 59.8 right now. Lavine while upping his assists still not much a distributor, although playing more within the flow of the offense this year. His usage rate is down 2% this year while increasing all his counting stats. Lavine can be a mixed bag in the last 2 minutes, and has had career terrible +- numbers. His defense is still not great, but has cleaned up some of the more boneheaded plays he was prone to.

Well said. No chance I'm entertaining a Simmons <-> Lavine offer. Ben and Embiid's strengths would hide Lavine's weaknesses, and vice versa. Seems like a match made in heaven, particularly with age in mind. A Maxey, Thybulle, 1st, and maybe a 2nd for Lavine seems like a very fair asking price. Something like...
Ben
Shake Curry
Lavine Green
Tobias
Embiid Dwight

I like the idea of Maxey/Thybulle/1st/Filler for LaVine. Obviously nobody wants to part with Maxey, but you can't pass on that. Not sure how workable a deal is without Green's salary involved. You end up with like 5 players for 1.

Maybe you try to work Thad into that, or better yet, make separate deal for PJ Tucker after?

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm all for targeting LaVine, but I think we should avoid any trade that involves both Matisse + Green. Those are our 2 best perimeter defenders, and I think losing both would lead to a sizable dip on D.

Wish we could find a way to ship out Harris/Thybulle/picks for LaVine/Young either directly or in a multi-team trade.


CHI out: LaVine, Sato
CHI in: Hield, Thybulle, PHI 2021 FRP

PHI out: Harris, Thybulle, Korkmaz, 2021 FRP, 2021 NYK 2nd
PHI in: LaVine, Barnes

SAC out: Hield, Barnes
SAC in: Harris, Sato, Korkmaz, 2021 NYK 2nd


Maxey(20)/Curry(28)
LaVine(34)/Milton(14)
Green(28)/Barnes(14)/Milton(6)
Simmons(34)/Barnes(14)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)

[SixthStreet]

Would you trade Simmons for purely draft futures if that was a way to maximize value? I think I would. Eventually some star is going to turn disgruntled that's in the Kawhi/Harden level rather than the fake stars currently on the market.

Develop the youngsters around Embiid until the time to strike arrives.

[youngcrev]

Anyone know if you can waive players that are part of an incoming trade so that you don't have to make roster spots for them?

I.E., if we trade Poirier and Ferguson as salary filler in a deal, could the team that's receiving them cut them rather than their own end of the bench guys to make the deal legal?

[BullyKing]

Anyone know if you can waive players that are part of an incoming trade so that you don't have to make roster spots for them?

I.E., if we trade Poirier and Ferguson as salary filler in a deal, could the team that's receiving them cut them rather than their own end of the bench guys to make the deal legal?

Nope. You need the roster spots for the players being traded to you.

[youngcrev]

Anyone know if you can waive players that are part of an incoming trade so that you don't have to make roster spots for them?

I.E., if we trade Poirier and Ferguson as salary filler in a deal, could the team that's receiving them cut them rather than their own end of the bench guys to make the deal legal?

Nope. You need the roster spots for the players being traded to you.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Makes stacking the bums a bit more difficult

[BullyKing]

Anyone know if you can waive players that are part of an incoming trade so that you don't have to make roster spots for them?

I.E., if we trade Poirier and Ferguson as salary filler in a deal, could the team that's receiving them cut them rather than their own end of the bench guys to make the deal legal?

Nope. You need the roster spots for the players being traded to you.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Makes stacking the bums a bit more difficult

If the other team has their own stiffs to send back but whose salary would make the trade not work, what you can do is have them sent simultaneously into our Horford TPE. So say you wanted to do a 4-1 for someone. You could have three players coming back into the Horford TPE assuming they all fit.

[youngcrev]

Nope. You need the roster spots for the players being traded to you.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Makes stacking the bums a bit more difficult

If the other team has their own stiffs to send back but whose salary would make the trade not work, what you can do is have them sent simultaneously into our Horford TPE. So say you wanted to do a 4-1 for someone. You could have three players coming back into the Horford TPE assuming they all fit.

True. I was more just thinking if they didn't have 3 guys they were trying to rid of in this scenario moreso than eating the salary of them.

[phifans]

Would you trade Simmons for purely draft futures if that was a way to maximize value? I think I would. Eventually some star is going to turn disgruntled that's in the Kawhi/Harden level rather than the fake stars currently on the market.

Develop the youngsters around Embiid until the time to strike arrives.

I think we can afford the suffer of this kind of deal if that maximize the trade value of Ben. We aren't gonna win anything or miss the playoffs any time soon anyway...

[SparksFly87]

Tobias Harris and Thybulle for Lowry and McCaw.

Toronto gets younger and adds wing depth. Small ball Siakam at center , Tobias and anoboby frontcourt. Add a young defense prospect in Thybulle.

Korkmaz ,Tony Bradley and fergurson for pj Tucker. Houston takes a look at korkmaz as a young shooter piece. 76ers in win now mode.

Embiid/Howard /french guy
Simmons / Tucker /Scott
Green/ McCaw/ Joe
Curry/ Milton
Lowery / Maxey

Waay more balance

[76ciology]

Would you trade Simmons for purely draft futures if that was a way to maximize value? I think I would. Eventually some star is going to turn disgruntled that's in the Kawhi/Harden level rather than the fake stars currently on the market.

Develop the youngsters around Embiid until the time to strike arrives.

Yup. Ive said it before.

1.) a superior perimeter scorer
2.) draft picks that can be used to trade for a superior perimeter scorer

[mithrandir17]

If the Pelicans are way out of the playoff contention by the trade deadline, would you be willing to trade our expiring contracts (Scott, Ferguson, Bradley) and a second round pick to get JJ Redick back here? Will the Pelicans even entertain this?

Ofcourse JJ will be coming off the bench now and be strictly a shooter who comes off Embiid and Simmons screens for about 10-15 mins/game.

[Wilfried]

My proposal:

Green + Scott + Ferguson + Maxey + Kork + Pick 2021 (extra pick could be discussed, or a swap) for Oladipo and PJ Tucker

[51X3RF4N]

3 team deal

Philly out: Simmons, Thybulle, Poirier, Korkmaz

Philly in: Sexton, Oladipo, Osman, picks

Houston out: Oladipo

Houston in: Nance, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Mcgee

Cleveland out: Osman, Sexton, Mcgee, Nance, picks

Cleveland in: Simmons, Poirier

Why for Cleveland? Bring in Simmons to pair with Garland, Love, Drummond and their youth.

Why for Houston? They like Thybulle, Nance gives them a small ball 5 and a good player on a solid contract. No guarantees Oladipo signs.

Why for Philly? Contingent upon Oladipo signing an extension. But picking up a brand new backcourt of 2 way guys, plus a 3&D guy to come off the bench behind Danny.

Embiid/Howard/Bradley
Harris/Scott/Reed
Green/Osman/Ferguson
Oladipo/Milton/Joe
Sexton/Curry/Maxey




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[VDT]

I think we are pretty good in terms of roleplayers and overall fit. We just lack talent. After missing on Harden, we will have to wait for the next perimeter star/superstar to become available and try to get him.

Barring Embiid becoming Hakeem Olajuwon and the superteams breaking up, that is the move that will make us real contenders.

[Kobblehead]

Or we can become sellers on the market and grab a package of a young scorer, expirings, and draft picks for Ben Simmons. Best move, IMO.

Expanding Shake Milton's role in the offense and allowing him and Embiid to form a 2-man combo offensively with Ben Simmons out of the way is our only logical route to playoff viability this season.