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[sol537]

We'll probably end up keeping Randle (I don't mind) and trading Obi at some point for guard help.

Mitch + Randle + RJ + Quickley are good building blocks. No need to give them away just as they're showing improvement and continued potential. Even Knox is slowly climbing up the charts which is a huge surprise. Even if we just add our two 1st rounders this off-season plus sign a guy like Oladipo, we'd be well on our way to growing into a top 3-4 team in the East. That's the kind of rebuild everyone has been clamoring for. Note that it makes a ton of sense to build a contender for 2-3 seasons out when Brooklyn and the Lakers (and Warriors) are all on their way down. We can become one of the NBA's elite teams someday, I believe.

the fact that the discussion of trading Obi is even on the table (even amongst fans) goes to show it was the wrong pick

It's certainly a difficult dilemma (a good one, but difficult nonetheless). I can't see the FO trading Obi tho since he was the 1st pick that this FO made, and they were apparently so sold on him that they reportedly even tried to move up to get him.....+ Leon's son is 1 of Obi's agents

Way too early to write Toppin off. He may well end up being the BPA out of this draft. We don't know yet.

[knickstape4ever]

We'll probably end up keeping Randle (I don't mind) and trading Obi at some point for guard help.

Mitch + Randle + RJ + Quickley are good building blocks. No need to give them away just as they're showing improvement and continued potential. Even Knox is slowly climbing up the charts which is a huge surprise. Even if we just add our two 1st rounders this off-season plus sign a guy like Oladipo, we'd be well on our way to growing into a top 3-4 team in the East. That's the kind of rebuild everyone has been clamoring for. Note that it makes a ton of sense to build a contender for 2-3 seasons out when Brooklyn and the Lakers (and Warriors) are all on their way down. We can become one of the NBA's elite teams someday, I believe.

the fact that the discussion of trading Obi is even on the table (even amongst fans) goes to show it was the wrong pick

It's certainly a difficult dilemma (a good one, but difficult nonetheless). I can't see the FO trading Obi tho since he was the 1st pick that this FO made, and they were apparently so sold on him that they reportedly even tried to move up to get him.....+ Leon's son is 1 of Obi's agents

Way too early to write Toppin off. He may well end up being the BPA out of this draft. We don't know yet.

exactly. but the dilemma exists nonetheless: there is no clear role for Obi as long as Randle is here. there are not enough minutes to go around for both especially w/ Thibs playing his starters big minutes

Knicks are kinda forced to choose between the 2 or let Obi stay on the bench playing very limited minutes, and thus basically admitting that it would have been better to draft Haliburton

[Jalen Bluntson]

the fact that the discussion of trading Obi is even on the table (even amongst fans) goes to show it was the wrong pick

It's certainly a difficult dilemma (a good one, but difficult nonetheless). I can't see the FO trading Obi tho since he was the 1st pick that this FO made, and they were apparently so sold on him that they reportedly even tried to move up to get him.....+ Leon's son is 1 of Obi's agents

Way too early to write Toppin off. He may well end up being the BPA out of this draft. We don't know yet.

exactly. but the dilemma exists nonetheless: there is no clear role for Obi as long as Randle is here. there are not enough minutes to go around for both especially w/ Thibs playing his starters big minutes

Knicks are kinda forced to choose between the 2 or let Obi stay on the bench playing very limited minutes, and thus basically admitting that it would have been better to draft Haliburton

I just don't understand the thinking at all with the bench. This 38-40 PLUS minutes while young players...who have shown they can contribute...are buried behind these one year scrubs. I don't care what position it is. Payton/Bullock/Rivers shouldn't be getting more than 15-18mpg.

No one saw Randle breaking out like this...but ..still....40 minutes a night on back to backs...72 games?

Thibs is on crack with his rotations.

[sol537]

Randle should max out at 36-37 mins and he probably will as Toppin gets his legs back. That's 12 minutes right there. Toppin can get another 10 minutes from Mitch and play alongside Randle in a small ball line-up.

[knickstape4ever]

Randle should max out at 36-37 mins and he probably will as Toppin gets his legs back. That's 12 minutes right there. Toppin can get another 10 minutes from Mitch and play alongside Randle in a small ball line-up.

those minutes aren't available tho. Thibs is who he is. he's not changing. he'll play his starters as long as he needs to get the W

+ Thibs has also shown he want rim protection on the floor, so the minutes at C are mostly taken up between Mitch/Noel

[Guano]

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Blazers can't catch a break... Going to need Dame to go Supernova to make the playoffs

I know this is me being a shtty narcissistic azzhole - that said - this sucks for our mavs pick.

Denver is still there too to help the pick

the more the merrier

[Zenzibar]

Way too early to write Toppin off. He may well end up being the BPA out of this draft. We don't know yet.

exactly. but the dilemma exists nonetheless: there is no clear role for Obi as long as Randle is here. there are not enough minutes to go around for both especially w/ Thibs playing his starters big minutes

Knicks are kinda forced to choose between the 2 or let Obi stay on the bench playing very limited minutes, and thus basically admitting that it would have been better to draft Haliburton

I just don't understand the thinking at all with the bench. This 38-40 PLUS minutes while young players...who have shown they can contribute...are buried behind these one year scrubs. I don't care what position it is. Payton/Bullock/Rivers shouldn't be getting more than 15-18mpg.

No one saw Randle breaking out like this...but ..still....40 minutes a night on back to backs...72 games?

Thibs is on crack with his rotations.

We would not have this start without Randle or Payton. Meaning we have a top defense and in the mix for a playoff birth. Thibs don't give a sht about being on crack or coconut water, he's making the playoffs.

Obi played 23 minutes in the first game against Indiana, which has been the norm for rookies, then he got nicked. Given the goal to reach the playoffs, the rookies have to contribute to that cause or they are not playing. Simple.

This is not a tanking season. If it happens so be it, but that's not the goal. Thank goodness cause the losing is tiring.

[Zenzibar]

Randle should max out at 36-37 mins and he probably will as Toppin gets his legs back. That's 12 minutes right there. Toppin can get another 10 minutes from Mitch and play alongside Randle in a small ball line-up.

those minutes aren't available tho. Thibs is who he is. he's not changing. he'll play his starters as long as he needs to get the W

+ Thibs has also shown he want rim protection on the floor, so the minutes at C are mostly taken up between Mitch/Noel

Payton has played 20 and 23 minutes in 2 out of the last 3 games. He and QUickley are sharing the minutes. Can't see the issue there.

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[knickstape4ever]

Randle should max out at 36-37 mins and he probably will as Toppin gets his legs back. That's 12 minutes right there. Toppin can get another 10 minutes from Mitch and play alongside Randle in a small ball line-up.

those minutes aren't available tho. Thibs is who he is. he's not changing. he'll play his starters as long as he needs to get the W

+ Thibs has also shown he want rim protection on the floor, so the minutes at C are mostly taken up between Mitch/Noel

Payton has played 20 and 23 minutes in 2 out of the last 3 games. He and QUickley are sharing the minutes. Can't see the issue there.

Payton is a different situation. his minutes are inconsistent because he's been outperformed by a rookie and b/c his fit w/ this roster is awful since he can't shoot. he shouldn't even be starting, but Thibs loves his vets

W/ Randle playing well, Thibs will continue to play him heavy minutes, as evidenced by playing 39 minutes in the 2nd game of a back-to-back

[Jalen Bluntson]

exactly. but the dilemma exists nonetheless: there is no clear role for Obi as long as Randle is here. there are not enough minutes to go around for both especially w/ Thibs playing his starters big minutes

Knicks are kinda forced to choose between the 2 or let Obi stay on the bench playing very limited minutes, and thus basically admitting that it would have been better to draft Haliburton

I just don't understand the thinking at all with the bench. This 38-40 PLUS minutes while young players...who have shown they can contribute...are buried behind these one year scrubs. I don't care what position it is. Payton/Bullock/Rivers shouldn't be getting more than 15-18mpg.

No one saw Randle breaking out like this...but ..still....40 minutes a night on back to backs...72 games?

Thibs is on crack with his rotations.

We would not have this start without Randle or Payton. Meaning we have a top defense and in the mix for a playoff birth. Thibs don't give a sht about being on crack or coconut water, he's making the playoffs.

Obi played 23 minutes in the first game against Indiana, which has been the norm for rookies, then he got nicked. Given the goal to reach the playoffs, the rookies have to contribute to that cause or they are not playing. Simple.

This is not a tanking season. If it happens so be it, but that's not the goal. Thank goodness cause the losing is tiring.

What are you talking about? Don't play the apologist role. Playing guys 40 plus minutes a night is ridiculous. End of story. This isn't a contender and it shouldn't be playoffs or bust with dudes being ignored in the bench while others get ground into dust. The short rotations are as dumb as it gets. It is not sustainable.

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Would be nice if he openly says he's not going to resign with them, he's still so young, will turn 26 in 2 months but seems like he's been around forever.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Chanel Bomber]

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Should've taken advantage of the Boylen fiasco to make a move for Lavine.

Now his value is at an all-time high.

Fk.

[3toheadmelo]

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Should've taken advantage of the Boylen fiasco to make a move for Lavine.

Now his value is at an all-time high.

Fk.

[Chanel Bomber]

The play-in tournament is a damn farce.

It's so unfair to the teams who will have earned the 7th and 8th seed all season long.

F Adam Silver.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Should've taken advantage of the Boylen fiasco to make a move for Lavine.

Now his value is at an all-time high.

Fk.

True, but he only has 1 more year on his deal.


Unfortunately, I just remembered Thibs is the one who traded him to the Bulls to begin with.

[Chanel Bomber]

Should've taken advantage of the Boylen fiasco to make a move for Lavine.

Now his value is at an all-time high.

Fk.

True, but he only has 1 more year on his deal.


Unfortunately, I just remembered Thibs is the one who traded him to the Bulls to begin with.

Good point.

Yeah, Thibs didn't hesitate to trade him as you mentioned. Plus on the surface Lavine doesn't seem like a Thibs player because of the lack of defense. But I think Lavine is much tougher than people give him credit for. He needs to play defense, but he could become a more complete player under Thibs like we've seen with Randle. He needs to be coached, but the drive is there.

[Guano]

can't believe these authoritarian mods killed the mavs thread - further proof that they don't want us to have unity(a place to talk sht about kp) so we can't rise up.

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