Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[basketballRob]

Cole's net rating is almost as bad as Fournier's, believe it or not.

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[thelead]

Anyone know what his 3pt percentage at HS was? I'm not sure that this kid can shoot efficiently.

Nobody really knows. His HS stats were doctored.

and1 but wtf is this about his HS stats being doctored?

I was on board with drafting him but my thought process was based around the idea that he could shoot and that he just had a poor college performance. Obviously I don't have the time nor resources to gather that type of intel. What is this front office doing?

[Xatticus]

Anyone know what his 3pt percentage at HS was? I'm not sure that this kid can shoot efficiently.

Nobody really knows. His HS stats were doctored.

and1 but wtf is this about his HS stats being doctored?

I was on board with drafting him but my thought process was based around the idea that he could shoot and that he just had a poor college performance. Obviously I don't have the time nor resources to gather that type of intel. What is this front office doing?

It was high school, so there was no accountability. There is seldom much attention given to HS stats in general, but his team/handlers hyped him up as the first player to average a triple-double at Oak Hill and so some people dug into the box scores and it seems fairly obvious that the triple-double thing was dubious. I’m not saying that he didn’t shoot well in HS. I couldn’t possibly know. I’m sure he was a great HS player. I’m simply saying that there is no reason to expect that any reported shooting lines would be accurate.

[thelead]

Nobody really knows. His HS stats were doctored.

and1 but wtf is this about his HS stats being doctored?

I was on board with drafting him but my thought process was based around the idea that he could shoot and that he just had a poor college performance. Obviously I don't have the time nor resources to gather that type of intel. What is this front office doing?

It was high school, so there was no accountability. There is seldom much attention given to HS stats in general, but his team/handlers hyped him up as the first player to average a triple-double at Oak Hill and so some people dug into the box scores and it seems fairly obvious that the triple-double thing was dubious. I’m not saying that he didn’t shoot well in HS. I couldn’t possibly know. I’m sure he was a great HS player. I’m simply saying that there is no reason to expect that any reported shooting lines would be accurate.

I'm looking at this from a professional standpoint. How hard would it be for a scout to pull full tapes from a big school like Oak Hill and put together your own stats? I would imagine that full game tapes would be available somewhere for a school like Oak Hill. I wouldn't put much emphasis in raw counting stats but long range shooting should translate. I just have a hard time believing this kid could ever shoot. And if that is the case, shame on the front office for not doing their due diligence.

[jonbob17]

I'm looking at this from a professional standpoint. How hard would it be for a scout to pull full tapes from a big school like Oak Hill and put together your own stats? I would imagine that full game tapes would be available somewhere for a school like Oak Hill. I wouldn't put much emphasis in raw counting stats but long range shooting should translate. I just have a hard time believing this kid could ever shoot. And if that is the case, shame on the front office for not doing their due diligence.

The UNC staff was recruiting him off games not box scores. I would hope our scouting department was looking at tape and at least as much prep tape as his limited time at UNC, because if they were only looking at UNC he probably shouldn't have been picked where he was.

[basketballRob]

Lol, so many good players started out the same as Cole.

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[JF5]

I'm not worried about Cole TBH... He seems like one of those guys who will figure it out eventually/get it together and be a pretty good player.

[pepe1991]

Cole's net rating is almost as bad as Fournier's, believe it or not.

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Complete lack of understanding how net rating works.
Evan only played in 4 games. Got hurt after 7 min of game five.

In that 4 games Magic won because Ross had epic shooting nights. Most of the time they don't play together. Ross and bench ( mainly MCW and Birch with him ) vere biggest reasons why we won those games. Cole, who was really bad from start, just happend to tag along with them and his net rating was big positive,despite him, on his own, doing nothing.

Talking about net rating in general before teams reach 20-30-40 games is pointless. For that exect reason, Hollinger hides RPM for first 3 months from public. Because results would offer no insight or meaningful knowledge.

[j-ragg]

I don’t blame anyone for not being patient because of this team after all, but Cole for as trash as he’s been has shown some flashes. Okeke looked terrible too and just didn’t show any flashes outside of being a pick and pop guy.

Dark times.

[basketballRob]

Cole's net rating is almost as bad as Fournier's, believe it or not.

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Complete lack of understanding how net rating works.
Evan only played in 4 games. Got hurt after 7 min of game five.

In that 4 games Magic won because Ross had epic shooting nights. Most of the time they don't play together. Ross and bench ( mainly MCW and Birch with him ) vere biggest reasons why we won those games. Cole, who was really bad from start, just happend to tag along with them and his net rating was big positive,despite him, on his own, doing nothing.

Talking about net rating in general before teams reach 20-30-40 games is pointless. For that exect reason, Hollinger hides RPM for first 3 months from public. Because results would offer no insight or meaningful knowledge.

Fournier has never been and good defender either and basically gives up more points than he scores. It's funny that people think we're going to be a playoff team when he comes back.

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[pepe1991]

Cole's net rating is almost as bad as Fournier's, believe it or not.

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Complete lack of understanding how net rating works.
Evan only played in 4 games. Got hurt after 7 min of game five.

In that 4 games Magic won because Ross had epic shooting nights. Most of the time they don't play together. Ross and bench ( mainly MCW and Birch with him ) vere biggest reasons why we won those games. Cole, who was really bad from start, just happend to tag along with them and his net rating was big positive,despite him, on his own, doing nothing.

Talking about net rating in general before teams reach 20-30-40 games is pointless. For that exect reason, Hollinger hides RPM for first 3 months from public. Because results would offer no insight or meaningful knowledge.

Fournier has never been and good defender either and basically gives up more points than he scores. It's funny that people think we're going to be a playoff team when he comes back.

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Who thinks we will make playoffs? Why do you make stuff up ?

Evan is only player on Magic roster that has gravity in starting 5 that provides spacing even when he does not touch the ball. Gravity in modern basketball is pivotal for funcional offense. Every best runned offense in nba has players that do just that.

Clippers have Batum (40% for 3), Kennard and few others.
Bucks have DiVincenzo
Nets have Joe Harris
Nuggets have Dozier ( and Garry Harris who forgot how to shoot yet defenders still overreact to him open)
Lakers have KCP
Jazz have Bojan

This is not rocket science. Best offense is one where help defenders can't commit to help and stay with their men, so you run effective 2 on 2 play and isolate defenders. IF nobody can shoot you allow those guys that would be glued to their man- to roam around, clog the paint and deflect and interrupt ballhandlers.

[tiderulz]

I'm not worried about Cole TBH... He seems like one of those guys who will figure it out eventually/get it together and be a pretty good player.

yeah, you can fix a lot of things. at least he shows motor and effort, which you do not always see.

[tiderulz]

Cole's net rating is almost as bad as Fournier's, believe it or not.

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Complete lack of understanding how net rating works.
Evan only played in 4 games. Got hurt after 7 min of game five.

In that 4 games Magic won because Ross had epic shooting nights. Most of the time they don't play together. Ross and bench ( mainly MCW and Birch with him ) vere biggest reasons why we won those games. Cole, who was really bad from start, just happend to tag along with them and his net rating was big positive,despite him, on his own, doing nothing.

Talking about net rating in general before teams reach 20-30-40 games is pointless. For that exect reason, Hollinger hides RPM for first 3 months from public. Because results would offer no insight or meaningful knowledge.

Fournier has never been and good defender either and basically gives up more points than he scores. It's funny that people think we're going to be a playoff team when he comes back.

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you sure about that? the only times ive seen that is with Evan guarding the elite SG's, who score on anyone. Evan is by no means a lock down defender, but his effort is there and i dont think he gives up more than he scores as much as you think he does

[basketballRob]

Complete lack of understanding how net rating works.
Evan only played in 4 games. Got hurt after 7 min of game five.

In that 4 games Magic won because Ross had epic shooting nights. Most of the time they don't play together. Ross and bench ( mainly MCW and Birch with him ) vere biggest reasons why we won those games. Cole, who was really bad from start, just happend to tag along with them and his net rating was big positive,despite him, on his own, doing nothing.

Talking about net rating in general before teams reach 20-30-40 games is pointless. For that exect reason, Hollinger hides RPM for first 3 months from public. Because results would offer no insight or meaningful knowledge.

Fournier has never been and good defender either and basically gives up more points than he scores. It's funny that people think we're going to be a playoff team when he comes back.

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you sure about that? the only times ive seen that is with Evan guarding the elite SG's, who score on anyone. Evan is by no means a lock down defender, but his effort is there and i dont think he gives up more than he scores as much as you think he does

Yes he's a horrible defender, that's why he's been a negative rated player nearly his whole career.

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[pepe1991]

Fournier has never been and good defender either and basically gives up more points than he scores. It's funny that people think we're going to be a playoff team when he comes back.

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you sure about that? the only times ive seen that is with Evan guarding the elite SG's, who score on anyone. Evan is by no means a lock down defender, but his effort is there and i dont think he gives up more than he scores as much as you think he does

Yes he's a horrible defender, that's why he's been a negative rated player nearly his whole career.

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No, you just don't understand context of defense at SG position. There is nobody in modern era of basketball that can "lock down" anybody. NBA rules are in heavy favor of offensive players, BUT since you actually think Evan is trash defender, there is interesting data to prove you are flat out wrong.



This is data from 2019-20 season, Evan comes off as 4th best guard defender at SG in nba.

Once again, context. Klay Thompson would come off as piss poor defender in many, many advanced stats. Not because he is bad, he is literally -the elite one, but since he is tasked to guard likes of Chris Paul, Wall, Westbrook , Lillard and many other uber -elite guards, they would all get portion of their offense against him. And Curry would be hiding on some trash offensive players and come off as "good " defender.

In general talking about defense at SG position comes off as important as having long hair at C position. It simply isn't..

[basketballRob]

you sure about that? the only times ive seen that is with Evan guarding the elite SG's, who score on anyone. Evan is by no means a lock down defender, but his effort is there and i dont think he gives up more than he scores as much as you think he does

Yes he's a horrible defender, that's why he's been a negative rated player nearly his whole career.

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No, you just don't understand context of defense at SG position. There is nobody in modern era of basketball that can "lock down" anybody. NBA rules are in heavy favor of offensive players, BUT since you actually think Evan is trash defender, there is interesting data to prove you are flat out wrong.



This is data from 2019-20 season, Evan comes off as 4th best guard defender at SG in nba.

Once again, context. Klay Thompson would come off as piss poor defender in many, many advanced stats. Not because he is bad, he is literally -the elite one, but since he is tasked to guard likes of Chris Paul, Wall, Westbrook , Lillard and many other uber -elite guards, they would all get portion of their offense against him. And Curry would be hiding on some trash offensive players and come off as "good " defender.

In general talking about defense at SG position comes off as important as having long hair at C position. It simply isn't..

Fournier's defensive rating was 109.5 according to NBA.com. That's far from anywhere in the neighborhood of being close to good. Where did you get your stats?






https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=fournier+def+rating+all-time
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[Xatticus]

Yes he's a horrible defender, that's why he's been a negative rated player nearly his whole career.

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No, you just don't understand context of defense at SG position. There is nobody in modern era of basketball that can "lock down" anybody. NBA rules are in heavy favor of offensive players, BUT since you actually think Evan is trash defender, there is interesting data to prove you are flat out wrong.



This is data from 2019-20 season, Evan comes off as 4th best guard defender at SG in nba.

Once again, context. Klay Thompson would come off as piss poor defender in many, many advanced stats. Not because he is bad, he is literally -the elite one, but since he is tasked to guard likes of Chris Paul, Wall, Westbrook , Lillard and many other uber -elite guards, they would all get portion of their offense against him. And Curry would be hiding on some trash offensive players and come off as "good " defender.

In general talking about defense at SG position comes off as important as having long hair at C position. It simply isn't..

Fournier's defensive rating was 109.5 according to NBA.com. That's far from anywhere in the neighborhood of being close to good. Where did you get your stats?






https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=fournier+def+rating+all-time
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Yeah. There is just no way... He is among the worst on the team in defensive rating every year. That means he is a bad defender relative to his teammates. That screenshot is enough to discredit that particular statistic entirely. There is no doubt at all that Fournier is a **** defender.

[pepe1991]

No, you just don't understand context of defense at SG position. There is nobody in modern era of basketball that can "lock down" anybody. NBA rules are in heavy favor of offensive players, BUT since you actually think Evan is trash defender, there is interesting data to prove you are flat out wrong.



This is data from 2019-20 season, Evan comes off as 4th best guard defender at SG in nba.

Once again, context. Klay Thompson would come off as piss poor defender in many, many advanced stats. Not because he is bad, he is literally -the elite one, but since he is tasked to guard likes of Chris Paul, Wall, Westbrook , Lillard and many other uber -elite guards, they would all get portion of their offense against him. And Curry would be hiding on some trash offensive players and come off as "good " defender.

In general talking about defense at SG position comes off as important as having long hair at C position. It simply isn't..

Fournier's defensive rating was 109.5 according to NBA.com. That's far from anywhere in the neighborhood of being close to good. Where did you get your stats?






https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=fournier+def+rating+all-time
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Yeah. There is just no way... He is among the worst on the team in defensive rating every year. That means he is a bad defender relative to his teammates. That screenshot is enough to discredit that particular statistic entirely. There is no doubt at all that Fournier is a **** defender.

I don't think he is plus defender by any streach of imagination,but he tries and competes. That's not what you can say for lot other starting SGs in nba. So i don't mind.

[zaymon]

Fournier was always one of the leaders in our hustle stats. He gets the toughest defensive assingments on team, even harder than Gordon. Yes he is not the most strong or athletic player but his motor is rarely down.

[basketballRob]

Fournier was always one of the leaders in our hustle stats. He gets the toughest defensive assingments on team, even harder than Gordon. Yes he is not the most strong or athletic player but his motor is rarely down.

He hustles but just isn't physically capable of being a good defender.

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