New York Yankees Thread

[moocow007]

Now as far as the latest rumors go, I would actually not be against trading Torres for Castillo. I would not include anything more of any significance but, yeah, I would definitely entertain it.

The main concern is whether Castillo can handle pitching in NY. He has great stuff but his stuff requires that he be on and of the right vibe. His pitching motion is not normal and a lot of his ability to excel has to do with control of his nasty changeup. If he can't get his changeup going (and again a changeup is a bit trickier pitch to thrown than simply rearing back and airing it) he is hittable.

Assuming he can, absolutely, the stuff would play as a 1B or 2 in the rotation. And come playoff time you need that bonafide 2nd shutout starter. Kluber may be able to provide some of that but I don't see how the Yankees can take just that to the bank and there's likely no long term viability given Kluber's age. Now if you add Castillo to Gerrit Cole and Luis Severino, you have 3 starters that have nasty stuff, in their prime and with Cy Young talent locked in for multiple years.

I know fans hate trading "home-grown"-ish young players, especially one's that look real good, but the ultimate goal should be winning within this window that they have set. So as far as must keeps? Gleyber Torres is not a must keep player for a team like the Yankees. The Yankees (and their fans) should be focused on the big picture.

What would they do if they trade him? The Yankees aren't locked into only trading for Castillo. They can make more deals. In fact they can make a multi-team deal.

And they may have no team to thank than the Mets for what to do next. The Mets, by trading for Lindor (and Carrasco) has indirectly helped the Yankees to be able to potentially trade for Trevor Story of the Rockies. How so? For one, they removed one of the teams that would actually have the financial might to feel they can extend or resign a guy that will get paid big bucks after the up coming season (a pre-requisite since teams are even less likely to give up quality for a rental in this economy in what could be a shortened season). Two, the Mets set what the trade value for a similar type player (Lindor) is in this economic climate (i.e. not as much as one would have thought).

So what I would propose is a 3 team deal between the Reds, Yankees and the Rockies where Torres head to Cincinnati, Story heads to NY and a bunch of Yankees prospects and major league ready players heads to Colorado (similar to the package that the Indians received for Lindor AND Carrasco). The Yankees can definitely match the Mets package without decimating their farm system. They might even be able to get someone like Jon Gray back from the Rockies (Rockies were thinking of waving him at one point) and see if they can turn Gray back to the starter that he looked like a few years ago.

Even if it costs say, Torres, Garcia OR Schmidt, Peraza, Gil, Florial and Andujar, would adding Castillo, Story and Gray make this Yankees team significantly better now and (assuming they bring Story back) much better going forward? Yeah I'd say so. You don't need both Garcia and Schmidt if Castillo comes on board. Torres is replaced by Story (which, as long as Hal is willing to spend, is an upgrade for a team like the Yankees). Florial and Andujar are superfluous for this team. That leaves Peraza (their top infield prospect) and Gil. Peraza has a lot of upside and he's honestly the guy I may be least wanting to move but the key is they still get to keep their top 2 true elite high end major league upside prospects (Dominguez and Medina).

Get this done and you have this potential lineup.

1. DJL
2. Judge
3. Story
4. Stanton
5. Voit
6. Hicks
7. Sanchez
8. Urshela
9. Frazier

On the field, you now have 2 gold glove caliber players up the middle which will work real well (actually critical) with Castillo who is among the best in the majors in keeping the ball on the ground.

Rotation would be:

1. Cole
2. Castillo
3. Kluber
4. Gray
5. Montgomery

You don't need to rush the younger pitchers and whatever German can give you is gravy OR you create an opportunity to move one or more quality starters once Severino returns and slots into no.3.

This will cabosh the Yankees goal to remain under $210 million to reset the tax, but as have recently been posted, with the current collaborative agreement expiring after this upcoming season, the whole triple tax, repeater tax thing is likely going to be eliminated, revised or reset by itself.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Now as far as the latest rumors go, I would actually not be against trading Torres for Castillo. I would not include anything more of any significance but, yeah, I would definitely entertain it.

The main concern is whether Castillo can handle pitching in NY. He has great stuff but his stuff requires that he be on and of the right vibe. His pitching motion is not normal and a lot of his ability to excel has to do with control of his nasty changeup. If he can't get his changeup going (and again a changeup is a bit trickier pitch to thrown than simply rearing back and airing it) he is hittable.

Assuming he can, absolutely, the stuff would play as a 1B or 2 in the rotation. And come playoff time you need that bonafide 2nd shutout starter. Kluber may be able to provide some of that but I don't see how the Yankees can take just that to the bank and there's likely no long term viability given Kluber's age. Now if you add Castillo to Gerrit Cole and Luis Severino, you have 3 starters that have nasty stuff, in their prime and with Cy Young talent locked in for multiple years.

I know fans hate trading "home-grown"-ish young players, especially one's that look real good, but the ultimate goal should be winning within this window that they have set. So as far as must keeps? Gleyber Torres is not a must keep player for a team like the Yankees. The Yankees (and their fans) should be focused on the big picture.

What would they do if they trade him? The Yankees aren't locked into only trading for Castillo. They can make more deals. In fact they can make a multi-team deal.

And they may have no team to thank than the Mets for what to do next. The Mets, by trading for Lindor (and Carrasco) has indirectly helped the Yankees to be able to potentially trade for Trevor Story of the Rockies. How so? For one, they removed one of the teams that would actually have the financial might to feel they can extend or resign a guy that will get paid big bucks after the up coming season (a pre-requisite since teams are even less likely to give up quality for a rental in this economy in what could be a shortened season). Two, the Mets set what the trade value for a similar type player (Lindor) is in this economic climate (i.e. not as much as one would have thought).

So what I would propose is a 3 team deal between the Reds, Yankees and the Rockies where Torres head to Cincinnati, Story heads to NY and a bunch of Yankees prospects and major league ready players heads to Colorado (similar to the package that the Indians received for Lindor AND Carrasco). The Yankees can definitely match the Mets package without decimating their farm system. They might even be able to get someone like Jon Gray back from the Rockies (Rockies were thinking of waving him at one point) and see if they can turn Gray back to the starter that he looked like a few years ago.

Even if it costs say, Torres, Garcia OR Schmidt, Peraza, Gil, Florial and Andujar, would adding Castillo, Story and Gray make this Yankees team significantly better now and (assuming they bring Story back) much better going forward? Yeah I'd say so. You don't need both Garcia and Schmidt if Castillo comes on board. Torres is replaced by Story (which, as long as Hal is willing to spend, is an upgrade for a team like the Yankees). Florial and Andujar are superfluous for this team. That leaves Peraza (their top infield prospect) and Gil. Peraza has a lot of upside and he's honestly the guy I may be least wanting to move but the key is they still get to keep their top 2 true elite high end major league upside prospects (Dominguez and Medina).

Get this done and you have this potential lineup.

1. DJL
2. Judge
3. Story
4. Stanton
5. Voit
6. Hicks
7. Sanchez
8. Urshela
9. Frazier

On the field, you now have 2 gold glove caliber players up the middle which will work real well (actually critical) with Castillo who is among the best in the majors in keeping the ball on the ground.

Rotation would be:

1. Cole
2. Castillo
3. Kluber
4. Gray
5. Montgomery

You don't need to rush the younger pitchers and whatever German can give you is gravy OR you create an opportunity to move one or more quality starters once Severino returns and slots into no.3.

This will cabosh the Yankees goal to remain under $210 million to reset the tax, but as have recently been posted, with the current collaborative agreement expiring after this upcoming season, the whole triple tax, repeater tax thing is likely going to be eliminated, revised or reset by itself.

Hal's bean counters seem adamant about staying under the $210M threshold.

[knicks94]

We'll need to see if he can handle NYC. I'm super skeptical after our past acquisitions. Cole has mostly panned out, but some of these bums...

They wouldn't be paying him a lot of money and the Yankees would have team control over him for the next 3 years.

That was basically the same thing they had with Sonny Gray.

The Sonny Gray deal wasn’t all that bad for what the Yankees gave up for him.Gray did give them half a good season and pitched well outside of Yankee stadium.

[HarthorneWingo]

Gerrit Cole’s a cheater?

Watch on YouTube

[moocow007]

Now as far as the latest rumors go, I would actually not be against trading Torres for Castillo. I would not include anything more of any significance but, yeah, I would definitely entertain it.

The main concern is whether Castillo can handle pitching in NY. He has great stuff but his stuff requires that he be on and of the right vibe. His pitching motion is not normal and a lot of his ability to excel has to do with control of his nasty changeup. If he can't get his changeup going (and again a changeup is a bit trickier pitch to thrown than simply rearing back and airing it) he is hittable.

Assuming he can, absolutely, the stuff would play as a 1B or 2 in the rotation. And come playoff time you need that bonafide 2nd shutout starter. Kluber may be able to provide some of that but I don't see how the Yankees can take just that to the bank and there's likely no long term viability given Kluber's age. Now if you add Castillo to Gerrit Cole and Luis Severino, you have 3 starters that have nasty stuff, in their prime and with Cy Young talent locked in for multiple years.

I know fans hate trading "home-grown"-ish young players, especially one's that look real good, but the ultimate goal should be winning within this window that they have set. So as far as must keeps? Gleyber Torres is not a must keep player for a team like the Yankees. The Yankees (and their fans) should be focused on the big picture.

What would they do if they trade him? The Yankees aren't locked into only trading for Castillo. They can make more deals. In fact they can make a multi-team deal.

And they may have no team to thank than the Mets for what to do next. The Mets, by trading for Lindor (and Carrasco) has indirectly helped the Yankees to be able to potentially trade for Trevor Story of the Rockies. How so? For one, they removed one of the teams that would actually have the financial might to feel they can extend or resign a guy that will get paid big bucks after the up coming season (a pre-requisite since teams are even less likely to give up quality for a rental in this economy in what could be a shortened season). Two, the Mets set what the trade value for a similar type player (Lindor) is in this economic climate (i.e. not as much as one would have thought).

So what I would propose is a 3 team deal between the Reds, Yankees and the Rockies where Torres head to Cincinnati, Story heads to NY and a bunch of Yankees prospects and major league ready players heads to Colorado (similar to the package that the Indians received for Lindor AND Carrasco). The Yankees can definitely match the Mets package without decimating their farm system. They might even be able to get someone like Jon Gray back from the Rockies (Rockies were thinking of waving him at one point) and see if they can turn Gray back to the starter that he looked like a few years ago.

Even if it costs say, Torres, Garcia OR Schmidt, Peraza, Gil, Florial and Andujar, would adding Castillo, Story and Gray make this Yankees team significantly better now and (assuming they bring Story back) much better going forward? Yeah I'd say so. You don't need both Garcia and Schmidt if Castillo comes on board. Torres is replaced by Story (which, as long as Hal is willing to spend, is an upgrade for a team like the Yankees). Florial and Andujar are superfluous for this team. That leaves Peraza (their top infield prospect) and Gil. Peraza has a lot of upside and he's honestly the guy I may be least wanting to move but the key is they still get to keep their top 2 true elite high end major league upside prospects (Dominguez and Medina).

Get this done and you have this potential lineup.

1. DJL
2. Judge
3. Story
4. Stanton
5. Voit
6. Hicks
7. Sanchez
8. Urshela
9. Frazier

On the field, you now have 2 gold glove caliber players up the middle which will work real well (actually critical) with Castillo who is among the best in the majors in keeping the ball on the ground.

Rotation would be:

1. Cole
2. Castillo
3. Kluber
4. Gray
5. Montgomery

You don't need to rush the younger pitchers and whatever German can give you is gravy OR you create an opportunity to move one or more quality starters once Severino returns and slots into no.3.

This will cabosh the Yankees goal to remain under $210 million to reset the tax, but as have recently been posted, with the current collaborative agreement expiring after this upcoming season, the whole triple tax, repeater tax thing is likely going to be eliminated, revised or reset by itself.

Hal's bean counters seem adamant about staying under the $210M threshold.

Yeah, damn him.

[moocow007]

They wouldn't be paying him a lot of money and the Yankees would have team control over him for the next 3 years.

That was basically the same thing they had with Sonny Gray.

The Sonny Gray deal wasn’t all that bad for what the Yankees gave up for him.Gray did give them half a good season and pitched well outside of Yankee stadium.

In hindsight sure. But at the time that package contained 3 of the Yankees top 10 prospects (including their top pitching prospect and the prospect that had the highest upside in their organization). Kaprelian, Mateo and Fowler was a pretty hefty package. None of these guys amounting to anything is about the only thing that kept the Sonny Gray trade from being a total disaster.

[isiah_thomas]

Springer to the jays...

Thought mr cohen would step up

[Davis18]

DJ deal looks even better compared to Springer deal.
We need to trade for no.2, hoping to get Castillo w/ Frazier & Andujar centered deal.

[DowNY]

Yeah, not giving up Gleyber for Castillo

[knicks94]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Cashman went out and acquired a guy like Rick Porcello to be a stop gaper for the rotation.

[GEOLINK]

Gerrit Cole’s a cheater?

Watch on YouTube

Don’t even have to watch the video to know what it’s about.

Pitchers have been doctoring baseballs since the beginning of time, this is nothing new.

Not on the level of the Astros banging trash cans for pitch signals either.

[Butch718]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Cashman went out and acquired a guy like Rick Porcello to be a stop gaper for the rotation.

No thanks. Would rather just resign Tanaka. I would even consider Paxton before Porcello.

[moocow007]

To counter the Springer deal, the Yankees announced they have signed Stephen Ridings to a contract.

[blue and orange]

Not shocked in the least this is exactly why I am against getting a starting pitcher in a trade, need to develop or sign an ace pitcher, all these teams will be asking for Gleyber, while they would be willing to deal their pitcher to a team like the Redsox or Astros for less, I do believe there is a conspiracy against Cashman now in trades.

[HarthorneWingo]

Gerrit Cole’s a cheater?

Watch on YouTube

Don’t even have to watch the video to know what it’s about.

Pitchers have been doctoring baseballs since the beginning of time, this is nothing new.

Not on the level of the Astros banging trash cans for pitch signals either.

Yeah, you have to tell me. Mike Scott in '86. Guy was unhittable. TBH, I have have more respect for him now. Old school.

I only wish I had learned to do that. I could've extended my summer league career.

[moocow007]

Gerrit Cole’s a cheater?

Watch on YouTube

Don’t even have to watch the video to know what it’s about.

Pitchers have been doctoring baseballs since the beginning of time, this is nothing new.

Not on the level of the Astros banging trash cans for pitch signals either.

Yeah, you have to tell me. Mike Scott in '86. Guy was unhittable. TBH, I have have more respect for him now. Old school.

I only wish I had learned to do that. I could've extended my summer league career.

I may be your short arms not allowing you to generate enough velocity or spin on the ball. Not sure if pine tar on steroids would have helped.

[HarthorneWingo]

Don’t even have to watch the video to know what it’s about.

Pitchers have been doctoring baseballs since the beginning of time, this is nothing new.

Not on the level of the Astros banging trash cans for pitch signals either.

Yeah, you have to tell me. Mike Scott in '86. Guy was unhittable. TBH, I have have more respect for him now. Old school.

I only wish I had learned to do that. I could've extended my summer league career.

I may be your short arms not allowing you to generate enough velocity or spin on the ball. Not sure if pine tar on steroids would have helped.

But I can generate more torque.

[JustCame]

I think we'll go for Taillon. He keeps us under the LT.

[Jump Shot]

JA Crapp signs with the Twins

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I think we'll go for Taillon. He keeps us under the LT.

And he’s recovering from his 2nd Tommy John surgery, a classic Cashman acquisition.