NBA Trade Thread #2

[MisterRoy]

Getting back to KAT, would he have appeal if he were on the trade block?

Doesn't he play bad defense? I think we need a defensive center. I would rather take a flier on Drummond before taking on KATs contract.


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[Kukoc-Lauri]

Thad Young for Landry Shamet and 2 round pick. Nets were shopping Shamet in hope for additional frp. They lack inside presence and interior defence. I believe Shamet got his extension so salary can be worked.

[gobullschi]

Would you consider Rozier, Monk, 2021 first for Lavine and WCJ?

Would you trade LaMelo Ball and Miles Bridges for Denzel Valentine, Chandler Hutchison, and a 1st round pick?

You’re proposal is THAT lopsided.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Otto Porter Jr., Coby White and Wendell Carter Jr. for Jerami Grant, Seyku Doumboya and Derrick Rose. Satoransky-Lavine-J.Grant-Markkanen-Gafford. D.Rose-Temple-P.Williams-Doumboya-Young. Bulls fight for playoffs and make it as 6 seed.

[leo921]

Would love to do a Warriors trade Oubre/Wiseman/Minny pick for Lavine/Carter.

GS gets better help for this year Curry/Lavine/Wiggins/Green/Carter, next year Curry/Lavine/Thompson/Green/Carter with GS pick and Wiggins off the bench

Bulls sell high on Lavine and start over Pat Williams/Wiseman/Lauri/White, our 2 high draft picks and lots of FA money to use in trade or sign good pieces. Our current lineup would be Sato/White/Williams/Lauri/Wiseman which with Billy's coaching can develop into something good.

[qianlong]

Getting back to KAT, would he have appeal if he were on the trade block?

I don't love it because I believe that as a 1a 1b with Zach they are not a great match. Defensive concerns, not an additional playmaker, and in today league bigs have some limitations.
IMHO Beal and him are the next "stars" player on the trade market. I think both are Lavine level players and not real franchise players, but they are for sure talented.

Having said that you could try to build a team around them and hope for extra growth putting some strong defenders around them.

An ideal lineup in this context a team like Lonzo/Lavine/Pat/A. Gordon/KAT would be really good.

Something like:
KAT for Otto/Carter/White/unprotected first

A. Gordon for Lauri and some second round picks.

I don't know if the value is fair.

Even though I'm not in love with the KAT plan I think the team needs to consolidate 2 of the young assets (White/Carter/Lauri) and the salary to a player who is an all star or close to it. Of the three Carter is the one I would prefer to keep, but depends on who is coming back.

[qianlong]

Getting back to KAT, would he have appeal if he were on the trade block?

I don't love it because I believe that as a 1a 1b with Zach they are not a great match. Defensive concerns, not an additional playmaker, and in today league bigs have some limitations.
IMHO Beal and him are the next "stars" player on the trade market. I think both are Lavine level players and not real franchise players, but they are for sure talented.

Having said that you could try to build a team around them and hope for extra growth putting some strong defenders around them.

An ideal lineup in this context a team like Lonzo/Lavine/Pat/A. Gordon/KAT would be really good.

Something like:
KAT for Otto/Carter/White/unprotected first

A. Gordon for Lauri and some second round picks.

I don't know if the value is fair.

Even though I'm not in love with the KAT plan I think the team needs to consolidate 2 of the young assets (White/Carter/Lauri) and the salary to a player who is an all star or close to it. Of the three Carter is the one I would prefer to keep, but depends on who is coming back.

[sco]

IMO, 2 teams will be contending for Beal (and Lavine) at the deadline - PHI and MIA. With Zach's improved play this season, I don't think the "prices" should differ much. PHI would need to offer Simmons and MIA would need to offer Herro (and likely Robinson or Achiuwa). Honestly, I don't want to trade Zach. He seems like a very good foundational player with a great work ethic and attitude, but if we could nab Simmons or Herro + another very good player, I'd probably say yes.

Simmons would be a stellar pairing with Coby and PWill, and would probably be my first choice.

[sco]

Separately, I see talk about KAT maybe coming available. I'm not to excited about him, but wonder if a deal like:

Otto, Lauri, Coby, Carter plus our unprotected 2021 pick for KAT and Rubio, might work?

[gobullschi]

Separately, I see talk about KAT maybe coming available. I'm not to excited about him, but wonder if a deal like:

Otto, Lauri, Coby, Carter plus our unprotected 2021 pick for KAT and Rubio, might work?

Is the difference between Andre Drummond and KAT worth moving all those assets?

[pipfan]

For KAT and Rubio, I would add the keep Lauri and add the 2023 unprotected (and maybe 2025 with some protection)
Rubio/Sato/Archie
Lavine/Temple/Sato
Williams/Hutch/Valentine
Tyoung/WIlliams
KAT/Gafford/Lauri

That is an awesome team and it could grow. Minny would have
Edwards, White, Culver, Carter and picks. They would have to pray they keep their 2021 pick-but at least they would be on track to have the worst record. Not sure what kind of market DLo would have

[Pax for Prez]

Thad Young for Landry Shamet and 2 round pick. Nets were shopping Shamet in hope for additional frp. They lack inside presence and interior defence. I believe Shamet got his extension so salary can be worked.

Salaries are not even close to working.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/brooklyn_nets/

[sco]

For KAT and Rubio, I would add the keep Lauri and add the 2023 unprotected (and maybe 2025 with some protection)
Rubio/Sato/Archie
Lavine/Temple/Sato
Williams/Hutch/Valentine
Tyoung/WIlliams
KAT/Gafford/Lauri

That is an awesome team and it could grow. Minny would have
Edwards, White, Culver, Carter and picks. They would have to pray they keep their 2021 pick-but at least they would be on track to have the worst record. Not sure what kind of market DLo would have

Lauri would need to go. He is a bad fit with KAT, and Minny might be excited about having a Finn, who might actually like Minny.

[WYO]

Separately, I see talk about KAT maybe coming available. I'm not to excited about him, but wonder if a deal like:

Otto, Lauri, Coby, Carter plus our unprotected 2021 pick for KAT and Rubio, might work?

Is the difference between Andre Drummond and KAT worth moving all those assets?

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but yes... Drummond is not worth his contract. KAT is one of the only centers in the NBA worth a huge contract.

[joncoker22]

Otto Porter, Chandler Hutchinson and an unprotected pick for Jerami Grant. It frees up money for Detroit during their rebuild and gives them another pick. For Chicago it would make a big difference and allow more versatility and better defense.

[gobullschi]

Separately, I see talk about KAT maybe coming available. I'm not to excited about him, but wonder if a deal like:

Otto, Lauri, Coby, Carter plus our unprotected 2021 pick for KAT and Rubio, might work?

Is the difference between Andre Drummond and KAT worth moving all those assets?

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but yes... Drummond is not worth his contract. KAT is one of the only centers in the NBA worth a huge contract.

I'm not saying Drummond is a better player than KAT... I'm questioning whether or not the difference is worth Coby White, Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter Jr., & a 2021 (UNPROTECTED 1st).

Drummond's next contract will be much cheaper than his current contract. The market for traditional centers is considerably lower than a max contract. Portland signed Jusuf Nurkic to a 4 year - 48 million dollar extension. Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year - 45 million dollar extension. New Orleans just extended Steven Adams to a 2 year - 35 million dollar extension.

There was just a report saying Cleveland offered a 4 year - 60 million dollar extension and he turned it down. That tells me that the annual price for Andre Drummond is somewhere between 15 million - 20 million.

[MalagaBulls]

Back to KAT, no he remains a complete turnstyle on D in P&R situations. There are some articles that go as far as saying that the Wolves should trade KAT for 2 lottery 1sts +. But knowing they will have to do something since they are so challenged on D especially since DLo is also a sieve should make a trade a little bit more flexible. Who knows though.

[DroseReturnChi]

Is the difference between Andre Drummond and KAT worth moving all those assets?

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but yes... Drummond is not worth his contract. KAT is one of the only centers in the NBA worth a huge contract.

I'm not saying Drummond is a better player than KAT... I'm questioning whether or not the difference is worth Coby White, Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter Jr., & a 2021 (UNPROTECTED 1st).

Drummond's next contract will be much cheaper than his current contract. The market for traditional centers is considerably lower than a max contract. Portland signed Jusuf Nurkic to a 4 year - 48 million dollar extension. Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year - 45 million dollar extension. New Orleans just extended Steven Adams to a 2 year - 35 million dollar extension.

There was just a report saying Cleveland offered a 4 year - 60 million dollar extension and he turned it down. That tells me that the annual price for Andre Drummond is somewhere between 15 million - 20 million.

just watch kat play. he is like the greatest offense center in his era. perennial mvp candidate who isnt even in prime due to covid.

[sco]

Is the difference between Andre Drummond and KAT worth moving all those assets?

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but yes... Drummond is not worth his contract. KAT is one of the only centers in the NBA worth a huge contract.

I'm not saying Drummond is a better player than KAT... I'm questioning whether or not the difference is worth Coby White, Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter Jr., & a 2021 (UNPROTECTED 1st).

Drummond's next contract will be much cheaper than his current contract. The market for traditional centers is considerably lower than a max contract. Portland signed Jusuf Nurkic to a 4 year - 48 million dollar extension. Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year - 45 million dollar extension. New Orleans just extended Steven Adams to a 2 year - 35 million dollar extension.

There was just a report saying Cleveland offered a 4 year - 60 million dollar extension and he turned it down. That tells me that the annual price for Andre Drummond is somewhere between 15 million - 20 million.

A couple points on this. IMO, Lauri isn't a guy to invest long-term $ in due to durability limitations alone (not to mention limitations in his game). If we are getting KAT, we'd probably want a defensively skilled PF to put next to him. Coby has potential, but if we are getting Rubio, we are saying he isn't our PG of the future (6th men are helpful, but not what you build around). Carter would have minimal value if we are replacing him with either KAT or Drummond.

[gobullschi]

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but yes... Drummond is not worth his contract. KAT is one of the only centers in the NBA worth a huge contract.

I'm not saying Drummond is a better player than KAT... I'm questioning whether or not the difference is worth Coby White, Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter Jr., & a 2021 (UNPROTECTED 1st).

Drummond's next contract will be much cheaper than his current contract. The market for traditional centers is considerably lower than a max contract. Portland signed Jusuf Nurkic to a 4 year - 48 million dollar extension. Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year - 45 million dollar extension. New Orleans just extended Steven Adams to a 2 year - 35 million dollar extension.

There was just a report saying Cleveland offered a 4 year - 60 million dollar extension and he turned it down. That tells me that the annual price for Andre Drummond is somewhere between 15 million - 20 million.

just watch kat play. he is like the greatest offense center in his era. perennial mvp candidate who isnt even in prime due to covid.

How come his team is always finishing close to last?