Is Bubble Murray the biggest fluke in Nba history?

[MavfanAus]

and doesnt have a Goat passer like Jokic for him

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

[MavfanAus]

Doubles

[Johnny Bball]

I'll be honest i dont like his game, his body language says he thinks he is in the Steph / Dame tier, but his game says he isnt. Often times i think he is chucking and bricking early in the shot clock. Those guys can get hot at times. However, i'll ask back: Is this title the most unneccessarily overdramatic exaggeration in the history of RealGM or actually of Message boards in the internet?

Let us know how you became such an expert and the courses you took to judge people on body language, because I gotta laugh when anyone judges a player based on their “body language”.

I have actually taken college level courses in non-verbal communication (which includes body language). You can learn a lot from body language - but you need to know a whole lot more about the person than just watching them play a sport. Everyone is different and while the way the play a sport can indicate certain aspects of their personality, it falls far short of this conclusion.

Anyone remember a guy nicknamed "Sleepy"? His demeanor earned him that nickname long before the NBA, but he played a solid game. His body language was just different.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/floydsl01.html

Pretty much my point. Anyone that has taken college courses would know not to try to apply it to comment on a player from only his on court demeanour. It’s like trying to apply it to poker before you have any idea of how the villain plays or his tendencies... less than useless and likely going to cost you.

[Bergmaniac]

Is the OP the most kneejerky poster on the GB? I'd say yes.

[theonlyclutch]

5/170M for this guy instead of trading him for a true star puts a big cap in Denver's ambitions to contend for a chip.

[NuggetsWY]

Let us know how you became such an expert and the courses you took to judge people on body language, because I gotta laugh when anyone judges a player based on their “body language”.

I have actually taken college level courses in non-verbal communication (which includes body language). You can learn a lot from body language - but you need to know a whole lot more about the person than just watching them play a sport. Everyone is different and while the way the play a sport can indicate certain aspects of their personality, it falls far short of this conclusion.

Anyone remember a guy nicknamed "Sleepy"? His demeanor earned him that nickname long before the NBA, but he played a solid game. His body language was just different.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/floydsl01.html

Pretty much my point. Anyone that has taken college courses would know not to try to apply it to comment on a player from only his on court demeanour. It’s like trying to apply it to poker before you have any idea of how the villain plays or his tendencies... less than useless and likely going to cost you.

Great analogy that I had actually never thought of - probably because I don't play much poker. I think I can use that when I'm counseling people. Good thing this is anonymous or I'd have to pay you for such wisdom.

[_qubik]

Lots of flukes happened in the summer league last season. Murray going nuts, TJ Warren turning into a superstar, Heat getting to the finals as a one-man team, Bucks flaming out, multiple 3-1 leads blown, Lakers winning the chip, etc.

I expect more of the same this year until this pandemic ends.

I coulndnt agree more, even with my team, wich isnt something bad to say, but at that point the Finals appearance was a overachivievement. But Bucks arent a fluke, as 100% of their playoff appearances with the MVP and then MVP+DPOY ended the same, with Giannis impact taking a huge toll due to his lack of offensive diversity.

[xAIRNESSx]

Murray went Super Saiyan last playoffs. Let's see what he does this post season before making this conclusion.

[Myth]

Jeremy Lin comes to mind.

[The Rebel]

and doesnt have a Goat passer like Jokic for him

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

I have watched the NBA for 40 years and to act like Jokic is not even in the conversation as the greatest passer of all time shows your lack of knowledge more than the guy you quoted.

[The Rebel]

Reading this thread is funny how quickly people want to write off what Murray did in the playoffs. He is obviously injured, you can see the bruised elbow even around the padding he has started wearing, that gets worse the more you use it and the more that it gets bumped, of course it will affect shooting percentages and the number of shots a guy will take.

Murray has always been a big game player, people talk about inconsistency, sure he is inconsistent, he plays like crap when we are playing a crap team. Put a good team with a top backcourt against him and Murray has a long history of showing up and playing very well. I know most fans do not understand that as it is the opposite of most players, but he racks up his stats when the team needs it the most from him.

[Lockdown504090]

He's playing through an injury.

the nuggets need to stop letting him do this. force him to get healthy, then put him on the court. hes on a long term deal right now; this is like driving a car from state to state on flat tires instead of stopping at the gas station to get air so you dont damage the axel.

[ItsDanger]

He hurt his elbow in first few games, could explain the struggles.

[BodieB]

There should be a standard of consistency at a minimum when assigning the title of "star" to a player. For all the talk of Murray being injured, he hasn't been a consistent star player his career. He's really good, just elevated a little too soon. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out for him.

[Marrrcuss]

Laker/LeBron haters will have an asterisk on last season just to feel better about themselves.

Just in case no one caught this, it has dual purposes, lol

[Harry Garris]

Man was averaging Steph Curry numbers in playoffs. Had b2b 50pt games and now through 13 games the next season he isnt even averaging 20 PPG and shooting .55ts

No it wasn't a fluke. It was a hot streak. As many, many people pointed out at the time. Just because a guy plays great for 2 weeks that doesn't mean he's suddenly developed into a superstar overnight. You go through hot streaks and cold streaks as a basketball player. As anyone who's played competitively could tell you.

[GSP]

and doesnt have a Goat passer like Jokic for him

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

I said he's A Goat passer not THE Goat passer

[Saints14]

and doesnt have a Goat passer like Jokic for him

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

I said he's A Goat passer not THE Goat passer

RealGM vernacular:

GOAT = elite
Elite = good
Exposed = not GOAT

[Pelly24]

He'll like, be fine but they do need him to do better than this. I don't think it's injury, this is what he always does year in and year out. He's just an inconsistent dude.

[Heej]

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

I said he's A Goat passer not THE Goat passer

RealGM vernacular:

GOAT = elite
Elite = good
Exposed = not GOAT

It's funny, i read a post on Reddit the other day that's tangentially related to this about the idea of "concept creep". Where certain words, such as 'trauma' or 'hero' (which are the 2 examples in the post) have begun to lose their meaning because people will just use them to refer to more and more mundane things. Nowadays a minor inconvenience is referred to as causing people 'trauma' or average everyday healthcare workers are being labeled as 'heroes' for doing their jobs. In the same way, I see the same thing happening to the term 'GOAT'. It used to mean one singular person, as in the greatest of all time at something. Now, like you said everyone is "a GOAT" now. The whole meaning of the word has been lost to concept creep. It's sad, really.