Official Welcome Home Kyrie Thread

[Prokorov]

Glad im suspended from the GB (for daring to say the people who stormed the capital were white supremist).

It is disgusting how fans are bashing the dude for personal reasons and think they are entitled to more details or saying marks should fire him for not disclosing it and all that nonsense. then it spills over into a racist rant that Kyrie shouldnt be doing the sage thing because he is just exploiting some fake tie to his fake heritage.

And then the Boston fans chime in with their usually racist nonsense.

dudes got some issues, and he was weird before that. they hate on him for being silemt, then hate on him when he speaks (despite taking responsibility). they cant handle a black successful man can struggle, and not be thrown aside, fired, and criticized for it.... like somehow 100% of rich white american doesnt get away with 99.9% of the crap they do intentionally or issues they have

im so over it. im so tired of it.

[MrDollarBills]

I watched that rambling press conference, the whole thing, and frankly it was scary. Kyrie needs help, and I'm not saying that to be derogatory. Mental health is a serious issue that can lead to serious consequences, and it doesn't take a professional therapist and/or theologian to see he's in a dark place right now. I had two friends as kids, TWO, NOT ONE, who went from normal, fairly happy kids to depressed and mentally ill. I saw it happen. By that I mean the change in their demeanors, the incoherent rambling etc., and I got flashbacks watching Kyrie's press conference. Even if he comes back to play basketball, the team needs to get him professional help. Just talking to family and friends will not suffice. Sometimes they mean well but give you poor advice.

Yeah family and friends are good support systems but they are not trained professionals.

I cannot fathom anyone in the Nets front office watching that press conference yesterday and being alright with just letting him go without attempting to have him speak with the team's mental health specialist.

He may very well refuse but it's really obvious that he's not in a good headspace.

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

I didn't say that Kyrie should publicly divulge what wrong. It's none of my business.

[MrDollarBills]

Glad im suspended from the GB (for daring to say the people who stormed the capital were white supremist).

It is disgusting how fans are bashing the dude for personal reasons and think they are entitled to more details or saying marks should fire him for not disclosing it and all that nonsense. then it spills over into a racist rant that Kyrie shouldnt be doing the sage thing because he is just exploiting some fake tie to his fake heritage.

And then the Boston fans chime in with their usually racist nonsense.

dudes got some issues, and he was weird before that. they hate on him for being silemt, then hate on him when he speaks (despite taking responsibility). they cant handle a black successful man can struggle, and not be thrown aside, fired, and criticized for it.... like somehow 100% of rich white american doesnt get away with 99.9% of the crap they do intentionally or issues they have

im so over it. im so tired of it.

The GB mods are sympathetic to racists on here. they will let the yokels says horrific stuff about minorities, liberals (aka white people with some empathy for others), women, LGBTQ folks etc and they only take action when someone goes after the racists. It's really pathetic.

[Prokorov]

Yeah family and friends are good support systems but they are not trained professionals.

I cannot fathom anyone in the Nets front office watching that press conference yesterday and being alright with just letting him go without attempting to have him speak with the team's mental health specialist.

He may very well refuse but it's really obvious that he's not in a good headspace.

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

While your quoted i dont think he was referring to you specifically

I didn't say that Kyrie should publicly divulge what wrong. It's none of my business.

[MrDollarBills]

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

While your quoted i dont think he was referring to you specifically

I didn't say that Kyrie should publicly divulge what wrong. It's none of my business.

Oh, I see.

Either way, I regret being hard on Kyrie. I let emotion and anger at him over the party video (again, I get really pissed when I see people not taking Covid seriously) take over instead of waiting for the entire story to be laid out, and in turn what I saw yesterday was a man who is suffering and I am ashamed of myself for not being empathetic to him before I knew the details.

It shouldn't have taken me seeing him in that state, one that I know very well, to feel empathy. I deserve a slap across the mouth.

[Prokorov]

Glad im suspended from the GB (for daring to say the people who stormed the capital were white supremist).

It is disgusting how fans are bashing the dude for personal reasons and think they are entitled to more details or saying marks should fire him for not disclosing it and all that nonsense. then it spills over into a racist rant that Kyrie shouldnt be doing the sage thing because he is just exploiting some fake tie to his fake heritage.

And then the Boston fans chime in with their usually racist nonsense.

dudes got some issues, and he was weird before that. they hate on him for being silemt, then hate on him when he speaks (despite taking responsibility). they cant handle a black successful man can struggle, and not be thrown aside, fired, and criticized for it.... like somehow 100% of rich white american doesnt get away with 99.9% of the crap they do intentionally or issues they have

im so over it. im so tired of it.

The GB mods are sympathetic to racists on here. they will let the yokels says horrific stuff about minorities, liberals (aka white people with some empathy for others), women, LGBTQ folks etc and they only take action when someone goes after the racists. It's really pathetic.

yup, 2 warnings and a suspension for me were all for "race batining" i guess calling out systemic racisim while providing mountains of content and facts is somehow "race baiting" but people saying BLM is a bunch of "thugs" isnt?

I posted an article from the boston' globes "spotlight" article that is literally titled " Boston.Racism. Image.Reality:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/spotlight/boston-racism-image-reality/

They did a month long dive into the topic... this is a pulitzer winning group that dove into a tough topic in a very unbiased way but im not allowed to quote any of it because it may confirm that boston still has alot of strong racist pockets and people in power...

I also wasnt allowed to:

-Mention the article about former redsox kevin youkalis describing racism teammates and opposing players had to deal with from the city/fans
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2020/06/11/kevin-youkilis-racism-comments

-I wasnt allowed to reference the MANY black athletes who said bsoton is a racist place to come play:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/05/03/a-flea-market-of-racism-black-athletes-on-playing-in-boston-over-the-years/

Adam jones, sabbathia, dave justice, winfield, shefflield or boston athletes like kc jones and dee brown.

I also wasnt allowed to talking about 20 years of witnessing it being a boston resident (glad i moved, although Rhode island has its issues in some areas too). Being a white person, you see alot of the racist stuff people do behind the backs of blacks and minorities. they think cause im white and have a good job that im like ok with that or they are free to share their real racist identitiy. i happenend a ton at work. i left a company over it and filed a complaint against a big entittiy (im not at liberty to disclose due to an onging investigation).

It's just gross. people can make minor or outright in your face racist remarks, but if you try and even meniton boston or conservatives or the justice system is racist in a educated, frame, fact based way its race baiting and a suspension.

like the capitaol police, its very likely some or all in control of this board sympathize with the white supremists

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[Whiskey Slick]

The GB mods are sympathetic to racists on here. they will let the yokels says horrific stuff about minorities, liberals (aka white people with some empathy for others), women, LGBTQ folks etc and they only take action when someone goes after the racists. It's really pathetic.

What's GB?

BTW both sides say horrific things about the other, it's just that one side is so convinced they are virtuous and right, while the other side are vermin who need to be deprogrammed or killed, that you are only noticing the invective from one side.

If you want to be intellectually honest about it, both sides hate each other equally. The right swears the left are committed Neo-Marxists, while the left swears the right are fascists, racists etc.

One thing I agree with you about is if both sides don't learn to live with the other and accept their differing POV's without the constant invective, and STOP criminalizing politics, eventually the only alternative is going to be another Civil War. This one ideological and not regional, which could make it even bloodier than the first one, and more American's were killed in the first Civil War than WWI, WWII and Vietnam combined.

The only bloodless solution might be some kind of secession where we divide up the spoils. It won't be easy, heck, maybe it's impossible, but it sure beats the alternative. If war is hell, Civil Wars are hell on steroids.

[Prokorov]

What's GB?

GB = The General Board. the main forum.

BTW both sides say horrific things about the other, it's just that one side is so convinced they are virtuous and right, while the other side are vermin who need to be deprogrammed or killed, that you are only noticing the invective from one side.

If you want to be intellectually honest about it, both sides hate each other equally. The right swears the left are committed Neo-Marxists, while the left swears the right are fascists, racists etc.

this is spot on and it hurts because it prevents change. a 50/50 split prevents any kind of consensus or long term solutions never happen because they get overturned once majority shifts in congress. our overseasons enemies are loving this. american's individuality has been exposed. We have bred generations of vein people who need to be told they are right on social media. who have been fed such a short attention span they dont value fact checking and they were given a president who pushed that it doesnt matter if its true or not, if its what you want just do it or say it. foreign nations are all over social media with AI manipulating us.

I'm not really a democrat, i just identify with very little of what the republican party has turned in to.

[Whiskey Slick]

white supremists

It seems to me that "Critical Race Theory", which is just a derivative of "Critical Theory", which itself is a derivative of Cultural Marxism (see: Frankfurt School), has simply expanded the definition of "White Supremacist" to mean anyone who isn't down with Critical Race Theory.

[Whiskey Slick]

What's GB?

GB = The General Board. the main forum.

Thanks. It doesn't sound like anything that would interest me. I was young once and went thru my political phase, but now I just want to live out the rest of my life in peace. I'm growing less and less optimistic about that and it's really sad. I remember when we used to win or lose elections, lick our wounds, and wait four years to try again with a better candidate. Now we lose elections and we want to burn down cities or storm the Capital.

[LondonCeltics]

What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.

There is a pattern, a pattern that leads one to believe that Kyrie has mental health issues that I hope he is being treated for in some capacity. He looked today like he was suffering through some depression. I've never seen him look like that during his time here. I'm actually concerned for his well being...that's not the same guy who usually is excited and gives off a positive vibe in his press meetings. He's clearly going through it.

Does that make him a bad person? Not in the slightest. This is the thing that people don't seem to get about him. He has issues, but I've seen more from him to make me believe that he's a decent human being who uses his privilege earned through his career to help others in need.

However, his issues continue to cause problems in terms of his professional life. That is clear.

He could and should have handled things a lot better. I don't need to know exactly what he's dealing with, frankly it's not our business to be given specifics. However, he had an obligation to communicate better with the Nets so that this didn't devolve into a **** show in the media which led to rampant speculation and negativity. That's where he went wrong here, along with the reckless and frankly insensitivity surrounding him having a maskless party during a pandemic. Not because he needed time away for his mental well being.

Mind you, it is from a position of privilege to even get time away from your job for mental health, most people have to deal with it and suffer in silence. That part is not lost on me either, and as someone who has and still deals with his fair share of bouts with anxiety and depression, I had actually held it against him until it became clear that Kyrie had already come back to the Nets and had been under quarantine for quite some time now. So, we'll see where he goes from here.

I also suspect he has mental health difficulties. Years ago I’d have never even acknowledged the concept of mental health. But similarly to you, I know what depression and anxiety is like. The other year I went through something incredibly traumatic and ended up having to go on medication as I climbed out of it. My employer at the time made me go on a leave of absence, I was fortunate enough not to have to ask for it.

Depression and anxiety are real and they can be horrendous. Kyrie does not have to answer to anyone about whatever he’s going through, personal problems are personal problems. I just wish he would go about things differently. Unilaterally going AWOL without speaking to his employers, can the average person do that? There are so many instances of this me against the world mentality... I find it almost offensive to folks who have had to climb out of depression etc by their own strength.

[Paradise]

Yeah family and friends are good support systems but they are not trained professionals.

I cannot fathom anyone in the Nets front office watching that press conference yesterday and being alright with just letting him go without attempting to have him speak with the team's mental health specialist.

He may very well refuse but it's really obvious that he's not in a good headspace.

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

I didn't say that Kyrie should publicly divulge what wrong. It's none of my business.

The Reddit Nets forum, NetsDaily & the GB are just filled with toxic Nets fans. It’s mind blowing stuff.

[Whiskey Slick]

I agree that the only real mistake Kyrie made here, the unmasked party aside, was not to communicate with his superiors at the Nets so they could understand what he was going thru and even get him the help that he needs.

There's no shame in depression, bi-polar etc. anymore. That stigma is way in the past. In fact someone above mentioned that he looked so happy before he went AWOL, even euphoric, the complete opposite of how he appeared at that press conference. I hate playing amateur psychologist (even though I have personal experience with this, see my long post on the previous page), but that is a classic sign of bi-polar; euphoric or depressed, and there are treatments and medications for it now, that work, but first you have to be open to seeking professional help. It doesn't make you weak. Millions of Americans (depressed, bi-polar etc.) are living healthy and normal lives now, because they took that first step and got help.

[MrDollarBills]

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

I didn't say that Kyrie should publicly divulge what wrong. It's none of my business.

The Reddit Nets forum, NetsDaily & the GB are just filled with toxic Nets fans. It’s mind blowing stuff.

Oh I know. Especially ND.

[MrDollarBills]

The GB mods are sympathetic to racists on here. they will let the yokels says horrific stuff about minorities, liberals (aka white people with some empathy for others), women, LGBTQ folks etc and they only take action when someone goes after the racists. It's really pathetic.

What's GB?

BTW both sides say horrific things about the other, it's just that one side is so convinced they are virtuous and right, while the other side are vermin who need to be deprogrammed or killed, that you are only noticing the invective from one side.

If you want to be intellectually honest about it, both sides hate each other equally. The right swears the left are committed Neo-Marxists, while the left swears the right are fascists, racists etc.

One thing I agree with you about is if both sides don't learn to live with the other and accept their differing POV's without the constant invective, and STOP criminalizing politics, eventually the only alternative is going to be another Civil War. This one ideological and not regional, which could make it even bloodier than the first one, and more American's were killed in the first Civil War than WWI, WWII and Vietnam combined.

The only bloodless solution might be some kind of secession where we divide up the spoils. It won't be easy, heck, maybe it's impossible, but it sure beats the alternative. If war is hell, Civil Wars are hell on steroids.

If you are asking me to sit at a table and have a civil discussion with normal conservatives, which I guess would be what we call Moderate Republicans now, about different issues, I have no problem with that. I welcome it actually. We don't have to agree on everything but common human decency and respect are first and foremost.

If you are asking me to sit at a table and attempt to reach out to the type of people who participated in that violent racist mob that descended on Washington on January 6th, no dice.

See, I can't afford to take a centrist view of politics when one side is operating under the throes of white supremacist dogma and conspiracy theories fueled by antisemitism. You aren't going to be able to convince me that this is a "both sides" issue when the left is operating an open tent for everyone while the other side coddles people who would call me a n*gger. I've seen too much over the last 4 years that cannot be walked back.

[MrDollarBills]

What's GB?

GB = The General Board. the main forum.

Thanks. It doesn't sound like anything that would interest me. I was young once and went thru my political phase, but now I just want to live out the rest of my life in peace. I'm growing less and less optimistic about that and it's really sad. I remember when we used to win or lose elections, lick our wounds, and wait four years to try again with a better candidate. Now we lose elections and we want to burn down cities or storm the Capital.

The General Board is primarily for basketball talk, but often topics come up that are political in nature, which tends to attract the same set of posters who pop on the board, say some wildly racist, anti-Semitic, bigoted or misogynist stuff in nature, and manage to somehow skirt away scot free while the people who call them out get punished.

If you ever visit that part of the site and a thread about the WNBA pops up, you'll see exactly what I mean.

[MrDollarBills]

What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.

There is a pattern, a pattern that leads one to believe that Kyrie has mental health issues that I hope he is being treated for in some capacity. He looked today like he was suffering through some depression. I've never seen him look like that during his time here. I'm actually concerned for his well being...that's not the same guy who usually is excited and gives off a positive vibe in his press meetings. He's clearly going through it.

Does that make him a bad person? Not in the slightest. This is the thing that people don't seem to get about him. He has issues, but I've seen more from him to make me believe that he's a decent human being who uses his privilege earned through his career to help others in need.

However, his issues continue to cause problems in terms of his professional life. That is clear.

He could and should have handled things a lot better. I don't need to know exactly what he's dealing with, frankly it's not our business to be given specifics. However, he had an obligation to communicate better with the Nets so that this didn't devolve into a **** show in the media which led to rampant speculation and negativity. That's where he went wrong here, along with the reckless and frankly insensitivity surrounding him having a maskless party during a pandemic. Not because he needed time away for his mental well being.

Mind you, it is from a position of privilege to even get time away from your job for mental health, most people have to deal with it and suffer in silence. That part is not lost on me either, and as someone who has and still deals with his fair share of bouts with anxiety and depression, I had actually held it against him until it became clear that Kyrie had already come back to the Nets and had been under quarantine for quite some time now. So, we'll see where he goes from here.

I also suspect he has mental health difficulties. Years ago I’d have never even acknowledged the concept of mental health. But similarly to you, I know what depression and anxiety is like. The other year I went through something incredibly traumatic and ended up having to go on medication as I climbed out of it. My employer at the time made me go on a leave of absence, I was fortunate enough not to have to ask for it.

Depression and anxiety are real and they can be horrendous. Kyrie does not have to answer to anyone about whatever he’s going through, personal problems are personal problems. I just wish he would go about things differently. Unilaterally going AWOL without speaking to his employers, can the average person do that? There are so many instances of this me against the world mentality... I find it almost offensive to folks who have had to climb out of depression etc by their own strength.

I found that to be offensive too, which fueled my anger at him because God knows I can't just go AWOL because I'm in a really dark head space.

I think back to two years ago when I started having anxiety panic attacks on the way home from my job while driving. I literally felt like I was going to die, it made me not even want to leave the house for a period of time because every time I would get in my car i would begin to feel an attack coming on. Eventually the attacks began to spill over to stuff like me sitting in on meetings or even just at my desk at work. This in turn sent me into a serious state of depression. I had to get help for it and man two years later my anxiety/depression issues are under manageable control thanks to my doctor. Some days suck yeah, but I can handle it a lot better with the help of that sweet sweet serotonin

I said all of that to say that if I had approached what was going on in a manner where I just dropped everything, my entire life would have fallen apart. People depend on me as well...so I had no choice. I had to power through. Just like every other person who just can't bail because of mental health.

That being said, seeing him yesterday really put things into perspective for me. The guy is suffering, and that's the most important thing here, not games missed, etc. He's a person who is suffering, and silently at that. I wish he wasn't. I hope he gets the help that is available to him. I don't hold anything against him anymore, I actually feel bad about being angry with him, because God knows throughout my life I have done things or said things to people fueled by my mental health that I wish I could walk back but I can't. I can't use it as an excuse for my actions, and I frankly am glad Kyrie apologized for how he approached things. I just hope that he gets help because it hurt to see him going through it.

[MrDollarBills]

I agree that the only real mistake Kyrie made here, the unmasked party aside, was not to communicate with his superiors at the Nets so they could understand what he was going thru and even get him the help that he needs.

There's no shame in depression, bi-polar etc. anymore. That stigma is way in the past. In fact someone above mentioned that he looked so happy before he went AWOL, even euphoric, the complete opposite of how he appeared at that press conference. I hate playing amateur psychologist (even though I have personal experience with this, see my long post on the previous page), but that is a classic sign of bi-polar; euphoric or depressed, and there are treatments and medications for it now, that work, but first you have to be open to seeking professional help. It doesn't make you weak. Millions of Americans (depressed, bi-polar etc.) are living healthy and normal lives now, because they took that first step and got help.

The stigma is slowly crumbling about getting help for mental health, but not fast enough.

Also, in the case of Kyrie, while I don't want to speculate, but just based on the beliefs that he has expressed...he may be resistant to professional and medical help when it comes to any possible disorders that he may have.

[Whiskey Slick]

If you are asking me to sit at a table and have a civil discussion with normal conservatives, which I guess would be what we call Moderate Republicans now, about different issues, I have no problem with that. I welcome it actually. We don't have to agree on everything but common human decency and respect are first and foremost.

If you are asking me to sit at a table and attempt to reach out to the type of people who participated in that violent racist mob that descended on Washington on January 6th, no dice.

See, I can't afford to take a centrist view of politics when one side is operating under the throes of white supremacist dogma and conspiracy theories fueled by antisemitism. You aren't going to be able to convince me that this is a "both sides" issue when the left is operating an open tent for everyone while the other side coddles people who would call me a n*gger. I've seen too much over the last 4 years that cannot be walked back.

You know the average conservative would have nothing to do with the imbeciles who stormed the Capitol either, and every notable conservative said so, INCLUDING Donald Trump, so it's a straw man to imply a few hundred lunatics represents 75M Trump supporters.

That said, most conservative can say the same game about the BLM and ANTIFA activists who spent the entire summer lighting cities on fire, or telling soft white people to bow down and worship them, or harassing or beating white people simply for being out dining or for a walk. And while I wouldn't bother with anyone who uses the N word either, should I bother with people who direct all kinds of pejoratives at white people?

You see what I'm saying, NO WAY IN HELL this country heals if either side demands a double standard.

There may be some people who will take any amount of abuse in the hopes of peace and safety, but most people will never accept that kind of double standard, and you can't intimidate them into it by calling them names.

[Prokorov]

I agree that the only real mistake Kyrie made here, the unmasked party aside, was not to communicate with his superiors at the Nets so they could understand what he was going thru and even get him the help that he needs.

I dont think this is fact. we know that Kyrie reached out to marks, nash, and his teammates the day of the first game he missed. it is vague as to whether or not he told the exact reason or not or evenc ommunicated it vaguely but i think thats also reaonable...

i have, countless times called work, at like 9 am and been like "sorry im out, im not gonna make it today, something came up family wise" and then followed up later. i dont know if its like that. but if its family or relationship or whatever i dont think thats super unressonable.

people keep saying that he "ghosted management" its not true. ghosting is like he missed 3 games and no one has seen or heard from him. when it comes to unplanned absences (like a vacaiton ro scheduled doc appointment) it usually is quick/urgent/sudden/private to where a "hey i aint gonna be there, some personal stuff came up" and then circling back to tie them in is undesirable but reasonable

nash seemed to be in the dark on when he would be back, not that he was gonna be out. and Kyrie probably didnt have that awnser at the time