Should we replace Bud now ? (58 season games remaining)

[emunney]

Giannis is already resigned. Giannis supposedly loved Kidd, but quickly adapted. Bud isn't getting fired, but the question is whether he should be. GMs are always late in making change, especially when they made the original choice. Bud has taken them as far as he can. He has exhausted his limited repertoire. He is light years better than Kidd, but not in the class of guys at Miami, Dallas, Utah, Toronto, Boston, LAL, Knicks and a few others.
His failure to correct the 3 point defense will be his undoing. Look at how the Knicks, with a new coach, guard the 3 pointer. Watch tomorrow how the Lakers guard it and then watch the Bucks (now 20th in the league).

The Knicks give up the 3rd most wide open (no defender within 6 feet of the shooter) 3PTAs in the league, 20.6 a game. The opponent is just missing them at a historical clip (32%). Like I mean at a clip that has never been done before ever. It will most definitely revert to the mean. The league average is about 38% every year for wide open 3PT%.

This is exactly what happened with the Suns in their hot start last year, then they sunk through most of the season before a late season resurgence and bubble improvement by some key young players set their current course. Even at 7-8 the Knicks are a fluke.

[WRau1]

You would think that this is Bud's final season in MIL to make it to the finals, unless some kind of craziness happens with play stoppage or injuries. Letting him go before next offseason just isn't going to happen.

[sidney lanier]

I am fine keeping him as assistant and kinda make the new Coach comfortable, but I am completely done with him.

This is the worst idea ever presented on this board.

I don't know. Probably not a workable plan, I agree, but when you're talking worst idea ever on this board, you're looking at a bar higher than Joe Alexander jumping after an imaginary rebound.

[raferfenix]

Horst has balls, I'll give him that but i don't think he has an eye for talent, certainly not like masai and he should've fired bud after the miami series.

Giannis signed the supermax.

If he would have been less likely to do that if we fired Bud that would not have been worth it.

Of course we don't know whether that was the case necessarily!

But unless we would have signed a big name head coach that would have directly enticed Giannis further, I doubt it would have been worth it to show further instability and the limits to our franchise's loyalty.

[RogerMurdock]

I am fine keeping him as assistant and kinda make the new Coach comfortable, but I am completely done with him.

This is the worst idea ever presented on this board.

I don't know. Probably not a workable plan, I agree, but when you're talking worst idea ever on this board, you're looking at a bar higher than Joe Alexander jumping after an imaginary rebound.

That should give my point that much more weight.

[Fotis St]

This is the worst idea ever presented on this board.

I don't know. Probably not a workable plan, I agree, but when you're talking worst idea ever on this board, you're looking at a bar higher than Joe Alexander jumping after an imaginary rebound.

That should give my point that much more weight.

Watching and what the Nets did, hiring Nash as head coach and hiring D'Antoni for X&Os , I don't get why is such a bad idea if for example Tony Parker decides to start coaching us and in general.

Having said that I prefer we get someone else with his own X&Os maybe from NBA or College or G-League and get rid of Bud

[CharityStripe34]

Begs the question if Bud is limited by Gianni's limitations (lack of mid-range jumper, post-up game, off-ball intangibles). Sort of sucks when the superstar of the team can be schemed out of a tight playoff game (or series). I just imagine if Gianni had the shooting fundamentals of Khris with just a decent post-up game he would destroy the league. Or if Khris had the superhuman physical gifts of Gianni. I'm wondering if it's frustrating for Bud seeing Gianni play like a 6'5" guard. But then again, Bud brought in the "let it fly" philosophy with the whole "five-out" stuff, giving the green-light to mediocre and subpar shooters to bomb threes.

I think it may be a case of Bud is a perfectly legit NBA head coach but he and Gianni are ill-suited as a pairing, given that Gianni's offensive weaknesses are staples of Bud's schemes (long-range shooting).

[yannisk]

I think it may be a case of Bud is a perfectly legit NBA head coach but he and Gianni are ill-suited as a pairing, given that Gianni's offensive weaknesses are staples of Bud's schemes (long-range shooting).

of course he is a legit NBA coach, the question is if he is a great nba coach. This team needs a great coach to win a championship. As for Giannis's weaknesses every player has strengths and weaknesses, every coach has some preferred schemes but a great coach uses schemes based on his personnel.

[DingleJerry]

A firing midseason almost always leads to an assistant on the team takeover. In this case I'd assume Ham. And i'd also assume Ham already has a lot of influence on everything they're doing. So would it really matter? Might as well play the year out and see what happens.

The times a firing midseason and replacing with an assistant makes sense is when the team has quit on the guy for whatever reason, not trying a beef with a player, chemistry issues etc. None of that has happened to our knowledge. So it comes down to Xs and Os stuff, which the assistants are doing with him already. And really, you can clearly seem them trying to address all the things we've said t hey need to do. Will they accomplish or figure it out, we'll see. But you can see they are trying to tweak and make the changes we all have discussed. Plus, they actually might improve/figure it out and it still isn't good enough because there is now a super team in the conference. The last two years were a really big blown opportunity.

[emunney]

Bud certainly has made mistakes in the playoffs (and the regular season!) but putting the losses on him is a category error. You could point at the losing coach in *any* lost playoff series and make a valid and compelling argument why they don't have what it takes. I would argue that the facts better support not the idea that Bud is holding back much better playoff outcomes, but that he, his staff, and the mentality they've instilled are provoking much better regular season outcomes, which in turn provoke playoff expectations with a degree of certainty that is not supported by our performance against other top teams in the regular season.

To reiterate, we still perform at a high level against other good teams, but to a degree that does not make us overwhelming favorites in a league with a fairly flat talent distribution and the tip over the past decade into leaguewide shot selection that creates higher variance. In other words, we've still got to make our shots. We're not bulletproof.

That said I think the Nets are and will be the favorite now and for the next couple years.

[Lockdown504090]

should they have fired him giannis didnt get hurt and they still lost in a similar fashion to miami last season?

[giannis and 1]

Do not like these poll options.

I would lean towards keeping him for this year, and reevaluate after the playoffs. Even if we have a deep run (like making it to the finals) but we lose and Bud is a big part of it, I would probably fire him. Feel like he deserves to show us what he can do with this roster.

That being said, if we continue to be trash at defending around the deadline, I won't lose sleep over it if we fire him before the playoffs.

[giannis and 1]

should they have fired him giannis didnt get hurt and they still lost in a similar fashion to miami last season?

If he continued to give Giannis and Middleton 32-34 mins a game... then yes.

[Sigra]

Even if we have a deep run (like making it to the finals) but we lose and Bud is a big part of it, I would probably fire him.

Oh no way. I dont like Bud but if we play in Finals no way I fire him. He is great regular season coach. If he can lead us to Finals then he is perfect.

But he cant and I dont think we play in conference finals. Unless we get lucky and opponent in 2nd round has injuries or someone goes crazy like Kyrie in 2019.

[Fotis St]

For the log, "Yes" is currently 21st of January 2021 with 58 games remaining and season record 9-5 , 2nd in East and 5th Seed in the NBA, at : 25 / 75 , 33.3%

That is not a small number , cause it actually says that they aren't only doubters about Bud and his coaching, alot have already decided move on without him.

Curious to see how the voting continues throughout the year.

[TroyD92]

what does replacing him midseason do? The time to fire him was after the playoffs. Its too late to do it now.

[crkone]

Half the votes for yes are Raptors fans FYI

[CharityStripe34]

I guess my term "legit" was meant to imply that he's a perfectly good coach. I agree that hes certainly not an elite coach.

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[emunney]

I don't know. Probably not a workable plan, I agree, but when you're talking worst idea ever on this board, you're looking at a bar higher than Joe Alexander jumping after an imaginary rebound.

That should give my point that much more weight.

Watching and what the Nets did, hiring Nash as head coach and hiring D'Antoni for X&Os , I don't get why is such a bad idea if for example Tony Parker decides to start coaching us and in general.

Having said that I prefer we get someone else with his own X&Os maybe from NBA or College or G-League and get rid of Bud

Why would you rather have the Nets' coaches than Bud? Their Xs and Os guy has a worse postseason track record than Bud, and Nash has no track record other than one of his stars 'needing a pause' after playing less than 10 games (20 last season) while they start 9-7. How is this exemplary?

[Fotis St]

That should give my point that much more weight.

Watching and what the Nets did, hiring Nash as head coach and hiring D'Antoni for X&Os , I don't get why is such a bad idea if for example Tony Parker decides to start coaching us and in general.

Having said that I prefer we get someone else with his own X&Os maybe from NBA or College or G-League and get rid of Bud

Why would you rather have the Nets' coaches than Bud? Their Xs and Os guy has a worse postseason track record than Bud, and Nash has no track record other than one of his stars 'needing a pause' after playing less than 10 games (20 last season) while they start 9-7. How is this exemplary?

I mean, should we even consider our playoff performance in the 1st Round, eliminating the Magic & Pistons of this league ?
I think we shouldn't that much maybe erase them all and read carefully what have we done in East Semis and East Final.
If we consider those 1st Round numbers , it could lead us to false results about playoff performance. All I know is we lost 2 series by a wall defense and our team although facing twice, being in shock and choke.

Nick Nurse had zero NBA experience as a coach BUT he knew everything and set the Raptors beautiful to win a Championship.
East was a kindergarten compared to the West all these years ago, so I believe our 1st Round was like regular season games , I don't zero down the games but I wouldn't put them as trustworthy evidence of playoff perfomance