Is Bubble Murray the biggest fluke in Nba history?

[MindState]

Lots of flukes happened in the summer league last season. Murray going nuts, TJ Warren turning into a superstar, Heat getting to the finals as a one-man team, Bucks flaming out, multiple 3-1 leads blown, Lakers winning the chip, etc.

I expect more of the same this year until this pandemic ends.

the Heat were very far from being a one man team, quite the opposite

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Heat are the very definition of a "one man team"

Jimmy Butler (the star) surrounded by role players (everyone else), albiet very good ones. This type of team does not make the finals in any other season. It was like LeBron carrying that Cavs team to the finals in 2007 that had no business being there.

[Saints14]

I said he's A Goat passer not THE Goat passer

RealGM vernacular:

GOAT = elite
Elite = good
Exposed = not GOAT

It's funny, i read a post on Reddit the other day that's tangentially related to this about the idea of "concept creep". Where certain words, such as 'trauma' or 'hero' (which are the 2 examples in the post) have begun to lose their meaning because people will just use them to refer to more and more mundane things. Nowadays a minor inconvenience is referred to as causing people 'trauma' or average everyday healthcare workers are being labeled as 'heroes' for doing their jobs. In the same way, I see the same thing happening to the term 'GOAT'. It used to mean one singular person, as in the greatest of all time at something. Now, like you said everyone is "a GOAT" now. The whole meaning of the word has been lost to concept creep. It's sad, really.

You've just described our political discourse over the past 5 years to a T

[Ritzo]

5/170M for this guy instead of trading him for a true star puts a big cap in Denver's ambitions to contend for a chip.

Okay, trade him for who? That's easy to say.

[NYPiston]

No, that honor belongs to Bubble Miami.

[Jedi32]

Lots of flukes happened in the summer league last season. Murray going nuts, TJ Warren turning into a superstar, Heat getting to the finals as a one-man team, Bucks flaming out, multiple 3-1 leads blown, Lakers winning the chip, etc.

I expect more of the same this year until this pandemic ends.

Yeah a team with LeBron and AD winning the chip was a fluke,smh .Realgm needs better trolls.

[mademan]

injury excuse or not, he clearly played far above any level he'd ever gotten to pre-bubble. He's playing worse now than he did the last few seasons, but this is a lot closer to who he is than the bubble streak he had. Buddy was just on a great heater; he was bound to come back down to earth.

[DaFan334]

He's playing through an injury.

the nuggets need to stop letting him do this. force him to get healthy, then put him on the court. hes on a long term deal right now; this is like driving a car from state to state on flat tires instead of stopping at the gas station to get air so you dont damage the axel.

I couldn't agree with this more. Jamal is one of the toughest players in the league and plays through things he probably shouldn't. He played most of the year a couple years ago with a double sports hernia. At some point the team needs to make him sit and get healthy, as much as he won't want to do it.

[gp2015]

Murray is capable of playing like a superstar, that's what we know from the playoffs.

Whether he has the motivation to in the regular season is another story.

Also, consistency has been an issue for him so not sure why this is surprising to anyone.

Most people that watch the NBA know that it takes some time to go from all star level player to superstar level player.

[VancouverRaps]

No.

He loves the spotlight, I think he'll always be a player who steps up in big games.

Some dudes(even star players), just let the pressure get to them instead of actually embracing it.

[Squigglepuffin]

5/170M for this guy instead of trading him for a true star puts a big cap in Denver's ambitions to contend for a chip.

I agree.

Taking into account that insane and unjustified contract they signed him to, do you think that for the future success of the team it would have been a good idea (because he had boosted his stock so high during the playoffs) for Denver to trade Murray?

[Woodsanity]

Lots of flukes happened in the summer league last season. Murray going nuts, TJ Warren turning into a superstar, Heat getting to the finals as a one-man team, Bucks flaming out, multiple 3-1 leads blown, Lakers winning the chip, etc.

I expect more of the same this year until this pandemic ends.

the Heat were very far from being a one man team, quite the opposite

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Heat are the very definition of a "one man team"

Jimmy Butler (the star) surrounded by role players (everyone else), albiet very good ones. This type of team does not make the finals in any other season. It was like LeBron carrying that Cavs team to the finals in 2007 that had no business being there.

Bam is a low level all star, wouldn't call him a role player. He got hurt in the finals though so he was not as effective as he should have been.

Someone with a PER of over 20 in the RS and PS is not a role player imo.

[MindState]

Lots of flukes happened in the summer league last season. Murray going nuts, TJ Warren turning into a superstar, Heat getting to the finals as a one-man team, Bucks flaming out, multiple 3-1 leads blown, Lakers winning the chip, etc.

I expect more of the same this year until this pandemic ends.

Yeah a team with LeBron and AD winning the chip was a fluke,smh .Realgm needs better trolls.

I wrote it as more of a broader part of an overall season of chaos and randomness. I think in a regular season, Clippers and Jazz wouldnt both blow 3-1 leads, Heat wouldnt have made the finals, etc. So its hard to tell if the outcome would have been the same.

[theonlyclutch]

5/170M for this guy instead of trading him for a true star puts a big cap in Denver's ambitions to contend for a chip.

I agree.

Taking into account that insane and unjustified contract they signed him to, do you think that for the future success of the team it would have been a good idea (because he had boosted his stock so high during the playoffs) for Denver to trade Murray?

I was always on the side of trading him in a package deal for Harden/AD, even when they leave free cap space is better than Murray taking 25+% of the team's cap space.

[MavfanAus]

and doesnt have a Goat passer like Jokic for him

Wait, what? Come on man, look we know you like Joker but the above? Really? Over Magic? Hell, over Stockton? Nash? Do I even need to continue to rattle off some more names because I can keep going? God damn. Honestly, this ain't a rhetorical question and I'm not attempting to belittle you dude. But, dude, how old are you? If you're in your thirties or older, then I have to assume you've only just begun to watch the nba over the last ten or so years just based on this thread alone. And that's OK too, that's completely ok. Doesn't make me or anyone else better than you. But it it does reflect in your posts. To question Murray as the biggest fluke in NBA history and then to follow it up with Jokic being the greatest passer of all time, these comments scream someone that hasn't watched the game for very long. With all due respect man.

I have watched the NBA for 40 years and to act like Jokic is not even in the conversation as the greatest passer of all time shows your lack of knowledge more than the guy you quoted.

I'd suggest going back and looking into your 40 year history, get on the tapes because he isn't in the conversation. He's a fantastic passer sure, is he creative? Yes. But he's not at the level of the 3 listed above.

[Beethoven]

If Lakers winning the chip is a fluke, we better re-define the meaning of fluke.

[junot111]

If the guy sucked in the playoffs most casuals here would have called him a choker.

So the guy balls when the pressure is on. Does he get called clutch? Nope...he’s a fluke.

Some people just gotta set everything on fire.

He balled out when there were no fans in the crowd and they were staying inside a campus environment where basketball was the only thing happening. It was impressive but definitely not like normal "playoff pressure". All I'm saying is he needs to show it in a normal environment.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I really recommend to go through this article, it is wonderfully written and gives you a lot of clues and evidence on why Murray is so streaky.

https://mosheschwartz10.medium.com/explaining-jamal-murrays-inconsistencies-c46c4d89d128

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[Johnny Bball]

If the guy sucked in the playoffs most casuals here would have called him a choker.

So the guy balls when the pressure is on. Does he get called clutch? Nope...he’s a fluke.

Some people just gotta set everything on fire.

He balled out when there were no fans in the crowd and they were staying inside a campus environment where basketball was the only thing happening. It was impressive but definitely not like normal "playoff pressure". All I'm saying is he needs to show it in a normal environment.

Yeah like this year, totally different, normal Enviromental with fans . Your comment isn’t relevant unless there’s no pandemic.

[JN61]

Lakers probably bigger.

[LloydFree]

Murray wasn't a top 3 fluke in the bubble. The Miami Heat probably owned all of the biggest bubble flukes by themselves.