New York Yankees Thread

[thebuzzardman]

Why not bring back Tanaka? I know he's not a #1, nor really a #2, but it seems like he pitched like a solid borderline 3/4. Is the feeling he's about to drop off and not worth the 3 year deal it would take?

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Why not bring back Tanaka? I know he's not a #1, nor really a #2, but it seems like he pitched like a solid borderline 3/4. Is the feeling he's about to drop off and not worth the 3 year deal it would take?

He’s about to fall off and wants too much money.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Why not bring back Tanaka? I know he's not a #1, nor really a #2, but it seems like he pitched like a solid borderline 3/4. Is the feeling he's about to drop off and not worth the 3 year deal it would take?

Sorry, but Tanaka is only a five inning pitcher now...not worth the money considering his UCL issue with his elbow.

[moocow007]

The Yankees need to make a move for an elite starter. That's the only move that will move the needle for them. They will not be able to beat the Dodgers in a 7 game series with Cole Anthony and the rest of the guys they have. All the Jameson Tailon's of the world isn't going to move the needle enough. Your eggs are either in the basket or on the table. Having some on the table and the rest in the basket isn't going to do diddly than waste eggs while still not coming out on top.

[JustCame]

The Yankees need to make a move for an elite starter. That's the only move that will move the needle for them. They will not be able to beat the Dodgers in a 7 game series with Cole Anthony and the rest of the guys they have. All the Jameson Tailon's of the world isn't going to move the needle enough. Your eggs are either in the basket or on the table. Having some on the table and the rest in the basket isn't going to do diddly than waste eggs while still not coming out on top.

I agree, but I wouldn't trade Gleyber for Castillo. With all our injuries, it doesn't make sense to trade away our best young position player. Who else is available? Maybe Hendricks, but we've yet to show interest. That signals a priority to remain under the LT.

To go further into detail, they're looking at a $200-210m payroll as the probable AL favorite (I'm also assuming a Taillon-esque deal since we have to clear a couple 40-man spots anyway). To further improve, they have to eat a $30m LT penalty. So for example, if they add a guy like Bauer for $30m, he'll really cost $60m (30% total payroll increase). During this uncertain year, is one guy really worth $60m?

Not to mention, if we avoid the LT this year, it will reset and lessen the penalty in the future. Although all of this could turn moot with the upcoming CBA discussions next year.

[knicks94]

I think it is a bit strange that many Yankee fans are quick to get rid of Gleyber when most GM’s in baseball recognize the high value that he holds. Did Yankee fans actually believe that the Reds GM thought that Castillo was worth Gleyber? I am 100% percent certain that when Castillo does get traded to a team by Cincinnati it won’t be for a top prospect or for a proven talent. Despite his defensive flaws Gleyber is not an up and coming Eduardo Nunez and it would be kneejerk to trade a future star infielder for a pitcher who is not on the level of a Clayton Kershaw, Jacob DeGrom, or Max Scherzer.

[thebuzzardman]

I think it is a bit strange that many Yankee fans are quick to get rid of Gleyber when most GM’s in baseball recognize the high value that he holds. Did Yankee fans actually believe that the Reds GM thought that Castillo was worth Gleyber? I am 100% percent certain that when Castillo does get traded to a team by Cincinnati it won’t be for a top prospect or for a proven talent. Despite his defensive flaws Gleyber is not an up and coming Eduardo Nunez and it would be kneejerk to trade a future star infielder for a pitcher who is not on the level of a Clayton Kershaw, Jacob DeGrom, or Max Scherzer.

Assuming Gleyber isn't the best SS, why not play LeMathiu at SS and move Gleyber back to 2nd base?

LeMathiu seems like a defensive whiz who could play any position, while Gleyber isn't and most comfortable at 2nd.

[moocow007]

The Yankees need to make a move for an elite starter. That's the only move that will move the needle for them. They will not be able to beat the Dodgers in a 7 game series with Cole Anthony and the rest of the guys they have. All the Jameson Tailon's of the world isn't going to move the needle enough. Your eggs are either in the basket or on the table. Having some on the table and the rest in the basket isn't going to do diddly than waste eggs while still not coming out on top.

I agree, but I wouldn't trade Gleyber for Castillo. With all our injuries, it doesn't make sense to trade away our best young position player. Who else is available? Maybe Hendricks, but we've yet to show interest. That signals a priority to remain under the LT.

To go further into detail, they're looking at a $200-210m payroll as the probable AL favorite (I'm also assuming a Taillon-esque deal since we have to clear a couple 40-man spots anyway). To further improve, they have to eat a $30m LT penalty. So for example, if they add a guy like Bauer for $30m, he'll really cost $60m (30% total payroll increase). During this uncertain year, is one guy really worth $60m?

Not to mention, if we avoid the LT this year, it will reset and lessen the penalty in the future. Although all of this could turn moot with the upcoming CBA discussions next year.

The whole problem with the LT rational (as well as the "Yankees lost more money than any other team") rationale that's been spewed by Hal and Cashman is that I'm not buying it.

The whole LT thing is expected to be nullified since the current CBA expires after this season. Talk is that the new CBA will either see an increase in the LT threshold or it completely replaced by something else. That's coming from the industry voices. At which point, them keeping under $210 million does nothing other than them having to pay their players as a collective less than $210 million. IMO the $210 million LT mark is just a convenient mechanism to justify why Hal really just doesn't want to spend a lot of money to his "constituents".

As far as the Yankees having "lost" more money than any other team? You know what? I never bought that for a minute. Billionaires are where they are cause they are experts and crying poverty when it comes to numbers. Do I believe that the Yankees...who operate in the most expensive city in the world and who has one of if not the highest payrolls in the majors had to spend more money than anyone else? Absolutely. That's believable. But I also believe that, due to where they are, their marketing revenue and them owning their own broadcast network also made more money than and other team in the majors. So when Hal says "lost" is he talking about "spent" or is he talking about "losing"? Billionnaires don't lose money but they'll claim they did. That's what they do. I would expend the term "lost" is just another play on that.

Can the Yankees spend more than $210 million without really blinking much? IMHO absolutely. Has little to do with LT or losing money and has everything to do with Hal looking at the revenue and wanting to maximize it. Hey...nothing wrong with that right? He's a businessman and wanting to make as much money as he can is his right. But I don't buy the rationale they are giving the fans and media. That's my problem with this whole thing...not the not spending to make as much as possible...it's what I perceive to be the lying about why that's the problem.

Sure I could be wrong...but I honestly don't believe so.

[moocow007]

I think it is a bit strange that many Yankee fans are quick to get rid of Gleyber when most GM’s in baseball recognize the high value that he holds. Did Yankee fans actually believe that the Reds GM thought that Castillo was worth Gleyber? I am 100% percent certain that when Castillo does get traded to a team by Cincinnati it won’t be for a top prospect or for a proven talent. Despite his defensive flaws Gleyber is not an up and coming Eduardo Nunez and it would be kneejerk to trade a future star infielder for a pitcher who is not on the level of a Clayton Kershaw, Jacob DeGrom, or Max Scherzer.

Yankees fans aren't looking to get rid of Torres is the thing. They are looking to maximize his value and maximize the Yankees chances of winning in the current window they have (which has been set by the Cole signing and the age and future contract situation of the bulk of the rest of their players). Torres the player is terrific. But this isn't about players, this is about winning. And it's hard to win with a 1 man show in your starting rotation and a oddly unbalanced defensive alignment. And moving Torres may be the best way of maximizing their chances to win.

As far as Castillo not being worth Torres?

If you take a look at baseballtradevalues.com, a site that does a pretty good job of calculating a players trade value, Castillo has a trade value right now of 133. Torres? He has a very high trade value number as well but it's only 83. In case you are wondering what that 50 point different normally equates to? That's about 2 top 5 prospects worth from a solid farm system. If we put it in the Yankees perspective. Torres + Frazier + Garcia combined has a trade value of 127.

A straight swap of Torres for Castillo is not by any means a gross overpay from the Yankees standpoint when taking objectively and analytically. It's actually kinda an underpayment. Now I understand that there are extenuating circumstances, Torres value has fallen a bit from where it was in 2019 (it still wasn't 133, at Torres peak it was around 112) due to last season's subpar performance which dropped his value down (especially his performance at SS which more or less likely cemented him as a 2B which has less value than a SS).

Now the other argument that fans have made against this is that trading Torres would leave a hole in the lineup and at SS. Have seen one guy say how can the Yankees expect to compete with Tyler Wade (the Yankees only other viable option on their 40 man roster) starting at SS.

Yes it would if the Yankees just do this trade and nothing else. But I'm sure it's safe to say they wouldn't just stand pat regardless of the $210 cap if they did this trade. Who then to replace Torres in the lineup and at SS? Really depends on how serious Hal is to keep under $210 and/or how much they are willing to shake the basket to make something happen? They could probably sign a Andrelton Simmons or a Freddy Galvis and keep under $210. Neither guy is Torres offensively but both guys are better than Torres defensively. Or if Hal decides to creep over cause he realizes that no one is buying his LT argument due to the CBA expiring then it's not unfeasible to look and make this trade an even bigger one by drawing in the Rockies (with the target being obviously Trevor Story and his expiring contract) and doing a mega deal that would make all the other deals done this offseason pale. Story (at the expense of a bundle of near MLB ready players and/or prospects...see Mets package for Lindor and Carrasco to determine what approximately the Yankees would have to give up in equivalent, then add some for the "Yankee tax") would both makeup for Torres offense AND be a significant upgrade on the defensive end.

So there are options and the Yankees should explore all of them just as fans should be open to all of them...with the shared goal winning in their current window of opportunity rather than protecting their "home grown" young players.

As far as Castillo not being Kershaw, Scherzer or DeGrom level, the Yankees don't need him to be, that's what Cole is for. What they do need is for someone that can comp to the other teams they will have to beat's no.2. And Castillo's numbers across the last several years puts him well in that class.

Personally, I think Torres by himself for Castillo is fair for the Yankees since some of Castillo's 133 value is due to his contract, which from the Yankees perspective is not applicable. Would I prefer if Cashman can get Castillo for less? Absolutely. Can he? Sure. But the ask by the Reds is not outlandish IMO. Also realize a factor in this is whether there are other 1a or top tier 2 options for the Yankees to acquire aside from Castillo where they can get said starter for less? Is there? I don't know that there's really any. Hendricks is not that. Hendricks is a strong no.3. Tailon is a no.4 or if you get lucky a no.3. The other free agents other than Bauer are all no.3 or no.4 level guys when looking at who they need to compete with to win a WS.

I would rather keep Torres and sign Bauer than trade Torres for Castillo if that means anything? But that's probably not likely. Of course then you'll have guys that say they don't want Bauer cause he's overrated and also don't want to do what it takes to get a guy like Castillo cause it's too expensive, whatever. Ok, then what?

[knicks94]

The Mets will be looking to add another Cy Young to their starting rotation while Cashman continues to pursue starters who haven't pitched in 2 years.

[NYF13]

Yankees trade for Taillon. A done deal.

[thebuzzardman]

Yankees trade for Taillon. A done deal.

The players the Pirates are getting back include right-handed pitchers Miguel Yajure and Roansy Contreras, infielder Maikel Escotto and outfielder Canaan Smith.

Any of these guys any good? The only name I recognize is Roansy Contreras

[thebuzzardman]

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[knicks94]

Yankees trade for Taillon. A done deal.

The players the Pirates are getting back include right-handed pitchers Miguel Yajure and Roansy Contreras, infielder Maikel Escotto and outfielder Canaan Smith.

Any of these guys any good? The only name I recognize is Roansy Contreras

Cashman has been just as bad at recognizing good prospects as the guy who drafted Frederic Weis so I wouldn't be that concerned about the talent that he gave up in this deal.

[blueNorange]

The Mets will be looking to add another Cy Young to their starting rotation while Cashman continues to pursue starters who haven't pitched in 2 years.

not really, bauer apparently fights with people on twitter(which isn't the major issue) and has a lot of old tweets praising trump, maga, and pushing Q conspiracy theories(which is the major issue)

after firing their gm sending dick pics, idk if they want someone that'll be a walking target for the media

[blueNorange]

Yankees trade for Taillon. A done deal.

The players the Pirates are getting back include right-handed pitchers Miguel Yajure and Roansy Contreras, infielder Maikel Escotto and outfielder Canaan Smith.

Any of these guys any good? The only name I recognize is Roansy Contreras

it's the package you send for someone coming off his second tjs.

he has 3 years of control so he'll have all the chances to show he still has it, but yankees relying on the health of kluber, severino, and taillon is rolling the dices.

[blue and orange]

I dont know how to feel about this. Better then no moves I guess. Under the circumstances Cashman has to work with it was the right move, staying under the luxury tax demands from the Steinbrenners, as with a trade, I know there was interest in Castillo but these teams will be unreasonable asking for Gleyber. This is a depth move.

These guys explain it well.

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[blueNorange]

lol at calling teams unreasonable for wanting a good player in return for their good player.

[blue and orange]

lol at calling teams unreasonable for wanting a good player in return for their good player.

Lol at jumping to conclusions thats not even remotely what I said. Asking for Gleyber in return (which wouldve only been a starting point) for a pitcher who isnt an ace isnt equal value, they can ask for him but Yankees dont have to agree. If you dont take a haul of prospects thats offered over Gleyber that doesn't help your future anyways.

[Papi_swav]

Ehh I guess. I'll take him for the prospects we gave up. Just don't know if I trust the health of the rotation, we been having trouble keeping our staff healthy these past years. Well this looks like our rotation is summed up, now we need some pen guys and bench guys while trying to remain under the tax. So annoying hearing about this tax when these dudes are super wealthy already.