Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[Celts17Pride]

If kemba can put together a nice healthy stint that dude is goneeeeezooooo in a trade

It's definitely Smart or Kemba. Celtics can't really keep both going forward.

[BigTrade92]

Kemba, Smart and Theis to Orlando for Vucevic, Gordon and Ross.

Then sign Isaiah back for point guard depth.

Some variation of this would be cool. Would rather keep smart somehow.

But it’s obvious , Kemba needs the ball in his hands and we need the ball in Jayson and Jaylen hands. Hoping he proves me wrong. But I would trade him if a decent deal is out there.

Combining last season, last post-season and this early part of this new season:

The Celtics are 35-8 when Smart takes 10 shots or less

The Celtics are 21-25 when Smart takes over 10 shots

Smart needs to go for this team to succeed, especially when it comes to Tatum and Brown’s development.

[MagicBagley18]

If kemba can put together a nice healthy stint that dude is goneeeeezooooo in a trade

100% but I’m guessing it’s in the offseason not in season

[flintsky21]

Another TPE target should be Malik Beasley. Wolves are freefalling, and at some point they'd want to start Edwards.

Beasley is essentially what we want Nesmith to be. Can't be traded until March 2 but Celtics can wait.

[FlatearthZorro]

Kemba, Smart and Theis to Orlando for Vucevic, Gordon and Ross.

Then sign Isaiah back for point guard depth.

Some variation of this would be cool. Would rather keep smart somehow.

But it’s obvious , Kemba needs the ball in his hands and we need the ball in Jayson and Jaylen hands. Hoping he proves me wrong. But I would trade him if a decent deal is out there.

Combining last season, last post-season and this early part of this new season:

The Celtics are 35-8 when Smart takes 10 shots or less

The Celtics are 21-25 when Smart takes over 10 shots

Smart needs to go for this team to succeed, especially when it comes to Tatum and Brown’s development.

Without checking the stats, I'd tell you what, whenever Marcus shoots more than 10 shots, it's usually 5/15, 4/15, 6/16, 4/16 and inbetween some of these games, there's the game where he gets hot like last night and looks like an all-star.

[MagicBagley18]

The Allure of a return in a kemba trade is getting off his contract and not having another max player missing significant time and it also means we don’t have have our success tied to that knee for the immediate future.

Now what we get for him that depends but if he stays healthy and looks like he did last night (speed wise, burst wise, shooting wise) you’ll be able to move him and who knows maybe that’s how you add another star level player to brown and Tatum, if that’s the route they go.

[BK_2020]

The only way you move kemba is if he's healthy but if he's healthy why would you move him.

[Bill Bradley]

I'm glad folks on this board realize that it is time to trade Kemba once he shows that he's healthy. The ball needs to go through Tatum and Brown and Kemba lowers the ceiling on this team. If it comes down to a choice I keep Smart over Kemba every time though to be honest I would not be upset if both were dealt if it brought back a key young player. I'm guessing we may have to wait until the off-season for any of this to happen though.

[MagicBagley18]

The only way you move kemba is if he's healthy but if he's healthy why would you move him.

Because how long does he stay healthy? How long till the knee hurts again? is him on the court diminishing returns with brown and Tatum? can he get you back contracts for flexibility or picks for down the road? can you get a 3rd team involved and use him to snag someone like beal?

There’s several reasons why you could do it. Will they? TBD.

[Triple7]

Is there a way we can get Wood? Hou is rebuilding, and his salary is around 14M for two more years. Would be a nice fit for the J’s age and skill wise.

[BK_2020]

There's no way to know how anyone will stay healthy. If he can give us two more years that's as good a return as you will get on a FA signing.
As for diminishing returns, Kemba is the only one on the team who can competently run the pnr. If anything, it's Jaylen and Tatum who block each other.
We are not getting equal value back and flexibility and picks are for rebuilding teams.

[MagicBagley18]

There's no way to know how anyone will stay healthy. If he can give us two more years that's as good a return as you will get on a FA signing.
As for diminishing returns, Kemba is the only one on the team who can competently run the pnr. If anything, it's Jaylen and Tatum who block each other.
We are not getting equal value back and flexibility and picks are for rebuilding teams.

1) it allows you to keep smart since one of him or kemba has to go

2) it gets you off his contract & if you get flexibility either via cap or draft picks for future moves I consider it- flexibility and picks are valuable for any team not just rebuilding ones

3) this team isn’t “rebuilding” no but it’s also not winning anything either as is and people tell me every day about timelines (which I argue against) but if the timeline is brown and Tatum a slight step back to move forward in a year or this offseason is a net positive and smart can be plugged right into the starting line up & how much worse is the team? we lose in the 2nd round in 6 instead of maybe the ECF?

4) you assume we can’t get a 3/4 team deal and move kemba and a package and get something significant in return to add TO brown and Tatum (someone younger, healthier, etc) which should be the goal. it’s unrealistic yes but we just saw oladipo and picks be used in deal for harden. If beal or someone uses leverage wants Boston and is a rental next offseason to other teams - crazier **** has happened.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If kemba can put together a nice healthy stint that dude is goneeeeezooooo in a trade

He’s been playing very selfish since he’s been back. Don't think he’ll happily concede shots to the Jays. Think this will come to a head soon.

Still gonna keep harping on my 3 way idea:

NYK gets: Kemba
BOS gets: Lowry
TOR gets: Nesmith and salary filler. Maybe a FRP too.

NY gets to shed deadweight and use current cap space and make the playoffs with a local guy. BOS gets a real PG and proven playoff player. TOR gets assets for a guy whos leaving and allows Masai to tank.

[Feed Your Head]

If kemba can put together a nice healthy stint that dude is goneeeeezooooo in a trade

He’s been playing very selfish since he’s been back. Don't think he’ll happily concede shots to the Jays. Think this will come to a head soon.

Still gonna keep harping on my 3 way idea:

NYK gets: Kemba
BOS gets: Lowry
TOR gets: Nesmith and salary filler. Maybe a FRP too.

NY gets to shed deadweight and use current cap space and make the playoffs with a local guy. BOS gets a real PG and proven playoff player. TOR gets assets for a guy whos leaving and allows Masai to tank.

DON’T YOU TEASE ME WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWRY

[akidlittle]

Can we find and trade for some "hidden gems", players with a great potential who weren't showing their best for some reasons and became underappreciated? Perfect example is Indiana getting Oladipo and Sabonis in a PG13 trade. Or Magic getting Fultz, he was having a great season before the injury... What do you think about trading for Gordon + Bamba?

[GoCeltics123]

FWIW the idea we can't keep both Kemba and Smart is absurd. If you're going to trade Kemba, that ain't the reason.

If Hayward re-signed that would be true, but he didn't, so it's not.

[tfribs45]

Kemba, Smart and Theis to Orlando for Vucevic, Gordon and Ross.

Then sign Isaiah back for point guard depth.

Some variation of this would be cool. Would rather keep smart somehow.

But it’s obvious , Kemba needs the ball in his hands and we need the ball in Jayson and Jaylen hands. Hoping he proves me wrong. But I would trade him if a decent deal is out there.

Combining last season, last post-season and this early part of this new season:

The Celtics are 35-8 when Smart takes 10 shots or less

The Celtics are 21-25 when Smart takes over 10 shots

Smart needs to go for this team to succeed, especially when it comes to Tatum and Brown’s development.

Smart is one of the leaders of this squad smh, he's an important piece to getting banner 18... Take your stats and @#@ it lol. Take Marcus out and you'll see just how soft of a squad we can be...… It's bad enough our 5 spot gets exposed still on the daily.

[ddb]

I wonder how Zach Lavine would fit in as the 3rd option in Boston. Another Drew Hanlon guy. He can play 3 positions and shoot/score. Fits into TPE, but could also expand deal out if need be.

[GoCeltics123]

Also FWIW I find it very hard to believe we'd trade Kemba for Lowry, who is like 36 and an expiring. I know Kemba has the knee, but betting on an expiring 36 year old to stay healthy seems pretty dumb.

I don't see Kemba being dumped for nothing if he looks healthy either. Jrue Holiday made a lot of sense because he's young and better but I'm skeptical about any trade materializing unless Danny gets a comporable player.

By trading Kemba in a dump, you piss off Tatum and the locker room, and make yourself worse for "flexibility". Call me skeptical on this, unless we make a lateral move by trading Walker.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Love Lavine, but his defense is mediocre and he'd accelerate the iso-ball trend we're seeing this season. Not sure he's right for this team right now.. Elite scorer, though.