2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

[knickstape4ever]

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1:24 mark that kickout pass is some elite level court awareness

I like how under control yet aggressive he plays

love his game. needs to improve his shot, but he can do everything else

doubt we get him tho b/c we need guards more than forwards

Can he play SF with RJ at SG?

Assuming we keep Randle another year

yeah, he's got positional versatility. can play the 3/4, but w/ his lack of shooting and RJ's it's not an ideal fit. I think his shot will improve and his best role will be as a playmaking-4

[3toheadmelo]

David Duke has thrown some nice passes in this game

[3toheadmelo]

Smooth step back by Duke. We need this guy

[3toheadmelo]

They throwing doubles at him every time he has the ball. Damnit

[knickstape4ever]

Brandon Boston breakout game?

16pts, 8-12 FG

[3toheadmelo]

Duke with the dagger. Needed that after playing bad for most of the game

[knickstape4ever]

only about 5 months away from the lottery

[dukeknicksirish]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

[-YogiBiz-]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

Lol No way Duke makes it past the early 20's the way he's been playing.

[-YogiBiz-]

Wagner is just an extremely, extremely skilled and advanced basketball player that can do so many different things. He's not the most athletic or explosive guy but he's sneaky quick. And he just gets the job done no matter what defense you throw at him or how you play him.

Wagner isn't just sneaky-quick; he's so long it makes that quickness seem like a different problem on D. I think he'll be a very serviceable on-ball defender.

[robillionaire]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

Lol No way Duke makes it past the early 20's the way he's been playing.

i looked at the box score from yesterday and he was 2-11, I don't see him in the first round on any mock drafts or anything yet, seems feasible he could be around that range of our pistons 2nd. Hopefully the pistons continue to be trash and we get a steal at 31, we need some luck there

[3toheadmelo]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

Lol No way Duke makes it past the early 20's the way he's been playing.

i looked at the box score from yesterday and he was 2-11, I don't see him in the first round on any mock drafts or anything yet, seems feasible he could be around that range of our pistons 2nd. Hopefully the pistons continue to be trash and we get a steal at 31, we need some luck there

I seen him on first round mocks now. Yesterday he kept getting double teamed though, if you’re wondering why he struggled. Horrible spacing for him to operate since there’s no shooters around him. I think he’ll look a lot better in the pros. His upside is nice

[3toheadmelo]

He also hit this tough dagger last night

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[robillionaire]

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so upon further review it should have been 1-11. lol.

I'm going to have to check out his upcoming games though, hopefully he can stay a sleeper

[knickstape4ever]

Wagner is just an extremely, extremely skilled and advanced basketball player that can do so many different things. He's not the most athletic or explosive guy but he's sneaky quick. And he just gets the job done no matter what defense you throw at him or how you play him.

Wagner isn't just sneaky-quick; he's so long it makes that quickness seem like a different problem on D. I think he'll be a very serviceable on-ball defender.

really like Wagner. he does a little bit of everything. can shoot, handle, pass, competes defensively. I think he's an ideal stretch-4

[knickstape4ever]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

I've been a bit concerned w/ Ziaire (he was 1 of my preseason favs). I think he may take a few years to develop, might not be an instant impact type player. needs to get A LOT stronger

assuming we're in that same range, really like James Bouknight. He's the type of shot creator we could use + he seems more NBA ready

Jared Butler is another favorite of mine. was hoping he'd stay in the 2020 draft, but thankfully we have 4 picks this year. prime candidate for the Mavs pick (assuming it ends up in the 20 range)

[cgf]

Assuming we end up with pick 8-10 and then Dallas pick 20-23 , with Pistons being 30-32 and Hornets being 35-38

8-10: Ziaire Williams - SF - 6'8
20-23: Cameron Johnson - G - 6'4 / Jared Butler PG - 6'3
30-31: David Duke - SG - 6'5
35-38: Charles Bassey - C - 6'10

I've been a bit concerned w/ Ziaire (he was 1 of my preseason favs). I think he may take a few years to develop, might not be an instant impact type player. needs to get A LOT stronger

assuming we're in that same range, really like James Bouknight. He's the type of shot creator we could use + he seems more NBA ready

Jared Butler is another favorite of mine. was hoping he'd stay in the 2020 draft, but thankfully we have 4 picks this year. prime candidate for the Mavs pick (assuming it ends up in the 20 range)

Bouknight may have the better rookie season, but Ziaire being better in their primes feels like a safe bet to me ATM. I'd rather grab the better talent and look to solve our immediate needs in FA by throwing money at Gary Trent Jr or Talen Horton-Tucker.

Also don't think Ziaire will need that long to contribute, even if he'll need to add that strength before he can make his full impact. His length, quickness/springiness & defensive instincts should make him a useful player, even before he fills out or gets comfortable shooting over NBA defenders...if only as a high-BBIQ-version of Kevin Knox to begin with.


I'm with you on Butler though, would love to platoon him & IQ at the 1.

[stuporman]

I'd like to find more big facilitators....having more players on the floor that can create shots for themselves and others is the direction the league is headed. A PG that is dedicated to being the sole distributor makes it easier to defend a team so if the Knicks grab guys who are 6-5 through 6-10 that can do this then It hink they will be a better team for it.

This doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't get a more passing oriented typical 6-3ish PG but that player should be able to shoot it from all over, be a 3 level scorer in addition to being able to pass. Obviously all players acquired should have the requisite 3&D skill set with a plus package of additional skills for potential upside so the team is built well rounded for winning.

Players that have limited roles because of size and skill set which inhibits their versatility should be avoided, the Knicks have too many of those already.

[cgf]

Not even in the NBA will Jalen Johnson play the 4/5 like Randle. He's not 250 and he's not a big man. He's a playmaking forward who likes to slash to the basket and his mid range looks solid. Outside shot lacks volume but he's shown ability to shoot from outside. Johnson has a similar frame and game to Rui Hachimura except he's got way better playmaking ability.

Covington does, and that's who I see defensively from Jalen Johnson.

Covington has 0 offensive responsibility besides catch and shoot 3s. He doesn't handle the rock, he doesn't facilitate, he doesn't look to score in any other way besides catch and shoot so a team with the likes of Harden, Westbrook, Dame, CJ can afford a role player like Covington to play that role. You are going to ask Johnson to be a ball handler, scorer, facilitator, rebounder and also play undersized as a big man getting killed in the paint by dudes that are much stronger than him?

JJ will have good size for the 4 when he fills out and he's gunna have to figure out how to battle with other 4s. Because A) he's a better defender the closer he is to the rim & B) his lateral quickness will make it hard for him to stay in front of a lot of NBA 3s on the perimeter.

I like him...even if his shot doesn't progress that much...long playmakers are a soft spot of mine, but (IMO) he's a playmaking 4, not a big 3 that can play up.

[cgf]

Has anyone watched Texas much? If so, thoughts on Kai Jones?