The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[Bum Adebayo]

Leave Ben alone. He again had some crucial defensive plays in the crunch. It's NOT about the points and shots!

Yeah, he is dominating the game right now, he does all the little things that helps you to win games, those things that aren't captured in stat sheet.
But we need to demand him to do much more on offense.

[sodmoraes]

If things unravel badly in Brooklyn , should we trade Simmons for Irving? I know he's **** crazy but he's a very talented pg that would fit well here.

It's a very risky trade, but Simmons seems to have regressed and his value is droping fast... I worry that ,with his recent injuries , he's not the same athlete he was, and without it, he will be really bad.

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Nope nope nope. Remember that we still gotta go through that team. That team has major 2 weaknesses. Kyrie and that they can't defend anyone. Giving them Ben basically remedies both issues. They'd still have depth problems but its far less pronounced in the playoffs.

We may have to move Ben but that isn't the deal.

Yeah you probably right. But Ben is really subpar this year. It's obvious that he will never be a good fit with Embiid. You cant pay that much to a player who is a zero in offense. If we had a better iso scorer than Tobias you could justify him, but it's not the case. It's embarassing how bad his jumper is. We gotta trade him for a go to scorer , his game bothers me

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[sixers4real]

If things unravel badly in Brooklyn , should we trade Simmons for Irving? I know he's **** crazy but he's a very talented pg that would fit well here.

It's a very risky trade, but Simmons seems to have regressed and his value is droping fast... I worry that ,with his recent injuries , he's not the same athlete he was, and without it, he will be really bad.

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Why would we make the Nets better and our team worse?

[Bum Adebayo]

Kyrie makes us better, at least this year. And worrying about how it makes the other team better is meaningless, it would be better in fact, one always wants to win against the toughest competition possible, we don't want to be remembered as a team that won a Mickey Mouse ring.
In a Kyrie for Simmons trade, you are basically trading the future for the present. Kyrie makes us better this year and probably next year, while Simmons will be a top 3 player in 2023 if his development is on track, which it is from what I've seen.

[Kobblehead]

If Kyrie got traded from Brooklyn, he would go AWOL and not even show up to his new team. I want no parts of that nutjob.

[Bum Adebayo]

Kyrie is an amazing player, this distraction thing is media driven for the most part, they know how to create narratives, I am surprised you guys always fall for it. Trading him for Simmons would be a no brainer IF we knew Simmons is done improving as a player. But we all know Simmons can be a beast offensive player two years from now, Kyrie won't be needed by then, as Simmons will have developed as an all level scorer, which is what we lack.
So trading him or not trading him, I feel either one is a valid choice and can't really fault anyone for it. Ultimately, Simmons has a 1st ballot HOF trajectory, so not trading him seems like the better option long term.

[VDT]

Kyrie would be terrible here.

You need to have a player to run the offense and use him Kyrie as a spacer or to give him some iso possessions at times. You would need soemone like Lebron or maybe Harden. Iriving running the offense (which he would do here) is a recipe for underachieving.

[Wilfried]

Kyrie the basketball player would be absolutely perfect ... unfortunately you get much more than only the basketball player so NO!

[phillynative]

Kyrie is an amazing player, this distraction thing is media driven for the most part, they know how to create narratives, I am surprised you guys always fall for it. Trading him for Simmons would be a no brainer IF we knew Simmons is done improving as a player. But we all know Simmons can be a beast offensive player two years from now, Kyrie won't be needed by then, as Simmons will have developed as an all level scorer, which is what we lack.
So trading him or not trading him, I feel either one is a valid choice and can't really fault anyone for it. Ultimately, Simmons has a 1st ballot HOF trajectory, so not trading him seems like the better option long term.

Simmons hasnt shown the trajectory to be a H.O.F. Some of you guys seem to be in denial about him.

[Stanford]

First ballot HOF trajectory

[6ers83]

If Kyrie got traded from Brooklyn, he would go AWOL and not even show up to his new team. I want no parts of that nutjob.

This

[spikeslovechild]

Just say no to Irving the Nets are in a nice spot because of Harden they don't have to count on Irving.

[Rastas]

Kyrie is an amazing player, this distraction thing is media driven for the most part, they know how to create narratives, I am surprised you guys always fall for it. Trading him for Simmons would be a no brainer IF we knew Simmons is done improving as a player. But we all know Simmons can be a beast offensive player two years from now, Kyrie won't be needed by then, as Simmons will have developed as an all level scorer, which is what we lack.
So trading him or not trading him, I feel either one is a valid choice and can't really fault anyone for it. Ultimately, Simmons has a 1st ballot HOF trajectory, so not trading him seems like the better option long term.

Simmons hasnt shown the trajectory to be a H.O.F. Some of you guys seem to be in denial about him.

Ben's HOF trajectory would involve him not being on a team with Embiid or a similar 5 who lives next to the hoop and demands a lot of touches, as long as they continue playing together Ben can't seem to get the motivation to push it to the next level.
I'm pretty sure Ben's passiveness started after his 1st season incident where he knocked Joel in the face whilst both going for a rebound , Joel cried alot over that and since then Ben seems less aggressive whilst playing with Joel.
When Joel was out of the team for long stretches Ben slowly increased his aggression to a level where he led the team to wins over Lebron and Kawahi etc.
But Ben with Joel will always be a passive Ben
Best to let him free or trade Joel, keeping both is counter productive and honestly vindictive.

[Bum Adebayo]

Disagree, The pairing of Embiid and Ben doesn't work very well because Ben hasn't developed yet as an all level scorer, but we all know the talent is there, it's just that he needs to unlock that ability, if he doesn't do that then we won't win jack ****, as simple as that. This year is too soon for that, next year we will see glimpses but not yet elite, but by 2023 we will be heavy favourites with him carrying our offense, and we will be heavy favourites to win the title.
That being said, the most important moment for Simmons will be Olympics 2024, he needs to win gold medal, as that is the ultimate test to enter GOAT conversation.

[76ciology]

Disagree, The pairing of Embiid and Ben doesn't work very well because Ben hasn't developed yet as an all level scorer, but we all know the talent is there, it's just that he needs to unlock that ability, if he doesn't do that then we won't win jack ****, as simple as that. This year is too soon for that, next year we will see glimpses but not yet elite, but by 2023 we will be heavy favourites with him carrying our offense, and we will be heavy favourites to win the title.
That being said, the most important moment for Simmons will be Olympics 2024, he needs to win gold medal, as that is the ultimate test to enter GOAT conversation.

Go on..

What happens in 2025 and 2026?

If you can provide a compelling prediction for 2025 and 2026, i will believe your prediction.

[Bum Adebayo]

Disagree, The pairing of Embiid and Ben doesn't work very well because Ben hasn't developed yet as an all level scorer, but we all know the talent is there, it's just that he needs to unlock that ability, if he doesn't do that then we won't win jack ****, as simple as that. This year is too soon for that, next year we will see glimpses but not yet elite, but by 2023 we will be heavy favourites with him carrying our offense, and we will be heavy favourites to win the title.
That being said, the most important moment for Simmons will be Olympics 2024, he needs to win gold medal, as that is the ultimate test to enter GOAT conversation.

Go on..

What happens in 2025 and 2026?

Embiid will be washed up by then, so I don't really know, maybe we can get a haul for Embiid in 2025, there are some dumb GM out there.
If not, then we will be mediocre because Simmons, while MVP level player by then, can't do it alone, maybe first round exit, this is my prediction.

[phillynative]

Kyrie is an amazing player, this distraction thing is media driven for the most part, they know how to create narratives, I am surprised you guys always fall for it. Trading him for Simmons would be a no brainer IF we knew Simmons is done improving as a player. But we all know Simmons can be a beast offensive player two years from now, Kyrie won't be needed by then, as Simmons will have developed as an all level scorer, which is what we lack.
So trading him or not trading him, I feel either one is a valid choice and can't really fault anyone for it. Ultimately, Simmons has a 1st ballot HOF trajectory, so not trading him seems like the better option long term.

Simmons hasnt shown the trajectory to be a H.O.F. Some of you guys seem to be in denial about him.

Ben's HOF trajectory would involve him not being on a team with Embiid or a similar 5 who lives next to the hoop and demands a lot of touches, as long as they continue playing together Ben can't seem to get the motivation to push it to the next level.
I'm pretty sure Ben's passiveness started after his 1st season incident where he knocked Joel in the face whilst both going for a rebound , Joel cried alot over that and since then Ben seems less aggressive whilst playing with Joel.
When Joel was out of the team for long stretches Ben slowly increased his aggression to a level where he led the team to wins over Lebron and Kawahi etc.
But Ben with Joel will always be a passive Ben
Best to let him free or trade Joel, keeping both is counter productive and honestly vindictive.

Embiid has nothing to do with Bens development. Ben likes to have the ball in his hands. Embiid doesnt take the ball out his hands. Simmons is a good playmaker who is just not a good scorer. Embiid is a natural scorer who hasnt even played ball all his life like Ben has. Embiid has improved his game since he picked up the ball.

[ProcessDoctor]

I can't watch Simmons and not think of Harden now. So depressing, can't believe we were so close to being true contenders.

[Embiid-MVP]

Simmons was getting me excited when he had consecutive games with a 3 attempt but now here we are again .. what's it been 2-3 straight without at least one 3 attempt. Doc just needs to tell him to throw up 2 minimum a game. We don't care if he makes it or not. We need the spacing for when we start to play serious contenders.

[76ciology]

He seems to struggle whenever he doesnt play with Biid.

I think on those scenarios, he should play more off ball as a role man and continue to be the chief on transition offense. Lets Shake and Maxey run their 2 man games