So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[76ciology]

I don't even think any team can beat Nets by defense. The more likely way of beating Nets are to attack their weakness and not try to overcome their strength. Which means you improving your offense to a degree their poor defense can't match.

Not to mention how awful your offense would be if you play Ben Green and Thybulle big times in postseason.

To have a chance you need someone like Lavine or Beal who can score 50-60pts off a 2man game where DJ doesnt step out so often. Not Middleton, Jrue or Tobias.

While being a good OReb team that would hurt them on the boards when we miss our shots. This is how those Suns team lose games, Raja Bell also talked about this. And I also pointed this one out during the playoffs in the bubble. I wouldnt be surprised if this was the plan thats why we got D12.

Then you need multiple guards or wings who can block shots off rotations, specially rotating to the paint.

That’s your best shot.

Their weakness is they took a step back on defense. This allows you to match their offense by having the right amount of offense (which i dont think we have), then you may have the edge by being a way better defensive team.

If Shake, Seth, Tobi and Maxey sustain their points per possession off the 2 man game, maybe you have a shot. But it’s way more likely if you can get a guy like Beal or Lavine.

Watch how the Cavs were able to beat the Nets, where Nets trio almost scored 100.

Cavs relied on Sexton and Osman to combine for 67pts, compared to KD and Kyrie at 75pts.

Nets have a flaw, it’s their defense. If you can get to a certain level of “very good offense”, you can match-up with them. Then you let your defense make the necessary difference to get you the edge.

I think you can match trading baskets with them with Embiid, Shake and Lavine.

[phifans]

I don't even think any team can beat Nets by defense. The more likely way of beating Nets are to attack their weakness and not try to overcome their strength. Which means you improving your offense to a degree their poor defense can't match.

Not to mention how awful your offense would be if you play Ben Green and Thybulle big times in postseason.

To have a chance you need someone like Lavine or Beal who can score 50-60pts off a 2man game where DJ doesnt step out so often. Not Middleton, Jrue or Tobias.

While being a good OReb team that would hurt them on the boards when we miss our shots. This is how those Suns team lose games, Raja Bell also talked about this. And I also pointed this one out during the playoffs in the bubble. I wouldnt be surprised if this was the plan thats why we got D12.

Then you need multiple guards or wings who can block shots off rotations, specially rotating to the paint.

That’s your best shot.

Their weakness is they took a step back on defense. This allows you to match their offense by having the right amount of offense (which i dont think we have), then you may have the edge by being a way better defensive team.

If Shake, Seth, Tobi and Maxey sustain their points per possession off the 2 man game, maybe you have a shot. But it’s way more likely if you can get a guy like Beal or Lavine.

Watch how the Cavs were able to beat the Nets, where Nets trio almost scored 100.

Cavs relied on Sexton and Osman to combine for 67pts, compared to KD and Kyrie at 75pts.

Nets have a flaw, it’s their defense. If you can get to a certain level of “very good offense”, you can match-up with them. Then you let your defense make the necessary difference to get you the edge.

I think you can match trading baskets with them with Embiid, Shake and Lavine.

Told you so

[Wilfried]

Would Oladipo be an option for us?

Something like Green + Scott (expirings) + Maxey + Korkmaz + pick?

Really think Oladipo (who can play PG) could really help us getting us over the edge

[skulky]

Would Oladipo be an option for us?

Something like Green + Scott (expirings) + Maxey + Korkmaz + pick?

Really think Oladipo (who can play PG) could really help us getting us over the edge

The concern with oladipo beyond the injuries, is will he just be a rental. He is on the record saying he wants to go to Miami. He’s also a slightly below average 3P%, although shoots a decent volume with around 7 a game the last few seasons. He’s not a seem less fit, but if Morey has intel or an inclination they could secure oladipo long term, he could be an option.

[51X3RF4N]

Would Oladipo be an option for us?

Something like Green + Scott (expirings) + Maxey + Korkmaz + pick?

Really think Oladipo (who can play PG) could really help us getting us over the edge

The concern with oladipo beyond the injuries, is will he just be a rental. He is on the record saying he wants to go to Miami. He’s also a slightly below average 3P%, although shoots a decent volume with around 7 a game the last few seasons. He’s not a seem less fit, but if Morey has intel or an inclination they could secure oladipo long term, he could be an option.

Where is the record of him saying he wants to go to Miami? I've seen reporters speculate but never heard an on the record of it.

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[Stanford]

Isn't Olidipo going to want a bigger deal than he has now? How are we going to manage adding that long term, with Harris, Ben and Joel already on the books?

[sixers4real]

Would Oladipo be an option for us?

Something like Green + Scott (expirings) + Maxey + Korkmaz + pick?

Really think Oladipo (who can play PG) could really help us getting us over the edge

Why are we trading Maxeyand his rookie contract, a great vet in Green and good defense for Oladipo?

He is not bringing us a championship. Maxey is valuable. Oh and a pick, wow.

[sixers4real]

We have so many valuable assets:
Seth Curry (elite shooter with excellent contract)
Thybulle (rookie contract)
Maxey (rookie contract)
Milton (excellent contract)
Green (3-time nba champ expiring)
1st round picks
2nd round pick

All very good players I am so glad that we have Morey running things now. If Brand was running the show we would most probably be left with Embiid Harden Harris and Scott right now. And no picks whatsoever.

[Kobblehead]

Hell no to Oladipo

- injury prone
- expiring contract heading to Miami
- mixed results as a creator
- questionable ability to regain form
- small sample size of true stardom

[youngcrev]

The Sixers have a +15.1 net rating with Embiid, Simmons and Harris on the floor.

The only trio with more minutes together and a better net rating is Kawhi/George/Batum at 16.1.

Those 3 plus Curry has a net rating +21.6 in 172 minutes. No 4 player combination that's played more minutes together has a better rating.

....Now... I'm not saying this means a ton with the competition they've played, moreso just putting the numbers out there, but maybe you don't need to do something drastic. Still seems like they need a playmaking scorer in terms of roster build, but maybe Shake can be that (at least moreso than anyone we can get without blowing up the roster). Maybe you do just make moves around the margins with guys that fit the style they want to play?

I know we've had lineup darlings in the past that didn't work quite as well once he hit the postseason (Roco/Dario year), but we clearly have more playmakers now, as well Joel playing at an MVP level.

[Bum Adebayo]

Agreed, we don't need to do many changes, as seen in the past with our postseason success...
It all hinges on Simmons being able to be a difference maker on offense, if not, we will be second round fodder as usual.

[sixers hoops]

Would Oladipo be an option for us?

Something like Green + Scott (expirings) + Maxey + Korkmaz + pick?

Really think Oladipo (who can play PG) could really help us getting us over the edge

The concern with oladipo beyond the injuries, is will he just be a rental. He is on the record saying he wants to go to Miami. He’s also a slightly below average 3P%, although shoots a decent volume with around 7 a game the last few seasons. He’s not a seem less fit, but if Morey has intel or an inclination they could secure oladipo long term, he could be an option.

Where is the record of him saying he wants to go to Miami? I've seen reporters speculate but never heard an on the record of it.

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Players under contract don’t really give interviews saying where they want to go. We knew Harden wanted Jersey, but I don’t recall him saying it on the record.

[youngcrev]

If Beal ends up getting dealt somewhere and the Wizards move into a rebuild mode, how about Davis Bertans as an option for us?

Not in love with the contract or the defense... But man can that guy impact the game with his shooting. The Wizards were 8.2 points per 100 better offensively with him on the floor last year. The Spurs were 9.6 better the year before.

Main question being whether that type of player would be worth his salary to us or if we're better with the bargain basement version of it with Korkmaz.

[sixers hoops]

If Beal ends up getting dealt somewhere and the Wizards move into a rebuild mode, how about Davis Bertans as an option for us?

Not in love with the contract or the defense... But man can that guy impact the game with his shooting. The Wizards were 8.2 points per 100 better offensively with him on the floor last year. The Spurs were 9.6 better the year before.

Main question being whether that type of player would be worth his salary to us or if we're better with the bargain basement version of it with Korkmaz.

I’m in. His shooting is insane.

[76ciology]

I like shake.

I even created a controversial thread just to start him when they say it’s too early.

But how comfortable are you guys in his scoring in crunch time?

If you look at the numbers our top 3 options in crunch time are.

Biid - 25% of crunch time shots
Tobias - 15% of crunch time shots
Milton - 11% of crunch time shots
Shake, Ben and Green are all at 9%

Shake can improve and I acknowledge his upside as a scorer. But he’s more of a fool’s gold now if you think he can be relied to be a go to guy down the stretch.

When the defense is high (crunch time), he shoots only 22%, this is really bad compared to Tobias and Biid’s shooting numbers at 50-60%. While he leads the team in scoring at the least crucial moments of the games (garbage time).

I like him and how he has improved. He should improve on how to get his shots off on ISO, his handles still need improvement.

But I think you’re handicapped if you can will play the “league approved” trading baskets in the playoffs. Which this Nets team should be the best in the league.

If you look at it we probably are at par with the bucks on these moments.

Biid = Giannis
Tobias = Middleton
Jrue (25% shooting) = Shake (22% shooting)

Nevertheless, it’s not yet an issue given Biid has been delivering like Peak Dirk Nowitzki while Biid and Tobi are shooting at a high clip on the 40% of our crunch time shots.
But do you really trust Tobi to shoot this well?

To dig deeper.. the biggest problem is on the handful of game defining shots/possessions. This is where Celts lead the pack when Tatum and Brown leads with 14FGM compared to just 3 FGM by Tobi and Biid.

When we need a shot to win or tie the game, who do you go to?

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[youngcrev]

I like shake.

I even created a controversial thread just to start him when they say it’s too early.

But how comfortable are you guys in his scoring in crunch time?

If you look at the numbers our top 3 options in crunch time are.

Biid - 25% of crunch time shots
Tobias - 15% of crunch time shots
Milton - 11% of crunch time shots
Shake, Ben and Green are all at 9%

Shake can improve and I acknowledge his upside as a scorer. But he’s more of a fool’s gold now if you think he can be relied to be a go to guy down the stretch.

When the defense is high (crunch time), he shoots only 22%, this is really bad compared to Tobias and Biid’s shooting numbers at 50-60%. While he leads the team in scoring at the least crucial moments of the games (garbage time).

I like him and how he has improved. He should improve on how to get his shots off on ISO, his handles still need improvement.

But I think you’re handicapped if you can will play the “league approved” trading baskets in the playoffs. Which this Nets team should be the best in the league.

If you look at it we probably are at par with the bucks on these moments.

Biid = Giannis
Tobias = Middleton
Jrue (25% shooting) = Shake (22% shooting)

Nevertheless, it’s not yet an issue given Biid has been delivering like Peak Dirk Nowitzki while Biid and Tobi are shooting at a high clip on the 40% of our crunch time shots.
But do you really trust Tobi to shoot this well?

To dig deeper.. the biggest problem is on the handful of game defining shots/possessions. This is where Celts lead the pack when Tatum and Brown leads with 14FGM compared to just 3 FGM by Tobi and Biid.

When we need a shot to win or tie the game, who do you go to?

Watch on YouTube

I think you're reading into the stats incorrectly. If you notice the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record (5-0 when Embiid plays). Joel has done a great job handling double teams this and finding the open man.

As for Shake, he hasn't really had the opportunity to be the main perimeter threat down the stretch (unbelievable that they went away from him in the Memphis game), so the stats are pretty meaningless. Joel is going to be option 1, but I think he's clearly our best perimeter option and should be getting looks over Tobias. And if we get into tie game, wind the clock and take the last shot mode, I imagine he is the guy they'd look to. For now, I think they prefer running actual plays rather hero ball, which tends to be far more effective.

[76ciology]

I like shake.

I even created a controversial thread just to start him when they say it’s too early.

But how comfortable are you guys in his scoring in crunch time?

If you look at the numbers our top 3 options in crunch time are.

Biid - 25% of crunch time shots
Tobias - 15% of crunch time shots
Milton - 11% of crunch time shots
Shake, Ben and Green are all at 9%

Shake can improve and I acknowledge his upside as a scorer. But he’s more of a fool’s gold now if you think he can be relied to be a go to guy down the stretch.

When the defense is high (crunch time), he shoots only 22%, this is really bad compared to Tobias and Biid’s shooting numbers at 50-60%. While he leads the team in scoring at the least crucial moments of the games (garbage time).

I like him and how he has improved. He should improve on how to get his shots off on ISO, his handles still need improvement.

But I think you’re handicapped if you can will play the “league approved” trading baskets in the playoffs. Which this Nets team should be the best in the league.

If you look at it we probably are at par with the bucks on these moments.

Biid = Giannis
Tobias = Middleton
Jrue (25% shooting) = Shake (22% shooting)

Nevertheless, it’s not yet an issue given Biid has been delivering like Peak Dirk Nowitzki while Biid and Tobi are shooting at a high clip on the 40% of our crunch time shots.
But do you really trust Tobi to shoot this well?

To dig deeper.. the biggest problem is on the handful of game defining shots/possessions. This is where Celts lead the pack when Tatum and Brown leads with 14FGM compared to just 3 FGM by Tobi and Biid.

When we need a shot to win or tie the game, who do you go to?

Watch on YouTube

I think you're reading into the stats incorrectly. If you notice the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record (5-0 when Embiid plays). Joel has done a great job handling double teams this and finding the open man.

As for Shake, he hasn't really had the opportunity to be the main perimeter threat down the stretch (unbelievable that they went away from him in the Memphis game), so the stats are pretty meaningless. Joel is going to be option 1, but I think he's clearly our best perimeter option and should be getting looks over Tobias. And if we get into tie game, wind the clock and take the last shot mode, I imagine he is the guy they'd look to. For now, I think they prefer running actual plays rather hero ball, which tends to be far more effective.

i said it’s not an issue with how Biid and Tobias are shooting right now.

So I notice..

“the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record”

The issue is.. what if Biid and Tobias hot hand is just temporary and they played like how they’ve played in the last two seasons. Because right now they’re shooting 50-60% on clutch moments (against some of the worst teams this season), and I dont know how sustainable that is.

And I’m also pointed out that as good as Shake is, he hasn’t been proven to be reliable in crunch time, given how he only has shot 22%. Nothing wrong with that. It just says he needs to improve or maybe more opportunity

I just find it hard to imagine Biid can be a reliable scorer to get us a 3 or a shot with the time running down. But I believe I saw some glimpse of this during our game with the Heat, so maybe he can.

So..

If Biid and Tobias continues their hot shooting in crunch time = no problem

Either way, Shake’s not been reliable in crunch time. And we should find ways to get him better looks.

[76ciology]

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You’ll have to play this “trading baskets” game in the playoffs. I believe Biid, Tobi and Shake can go head to head against the Bucks. And possibly the Nets.

And if our offense fails us, I hope Ben’s defense and transition offense will be the difference maker

[youngcrev]

I like shake.

I even created a controversial thread just to start him when they say it’s too early.

But how comfortable are you guys in his scoring in crunch time?

If you look at the numbers our top 3 options in crunch time are.

Biid - 25% of crunch time shots
Tobias - 15% of crunch time shots
Milton - 11% of crunch time shots
Shake, Ben and Green are all at 9%

Shake can improve and I acknowledge his upside as a scorer. But he’s more of a fool’s gold now if you think he can be relied to be a go to guy down the stretch.

When the defense is high (crunch time), he shoots only 22%, this is really bad compared to Tobias and Biid’s shooting numbers at 50-60%. While he leads the team in scoring at the least crucial moments of the games (garbage time).

I like him and how he has improved. He should improve on how to get his shots off on ISO, his handles still need improvement.

But I think you’re handicapped if you can will play the “league approved” trading baskets in the playoffs. Which this Nets team should be the best in the league.

If you look at it we probably are at par with the bucks on these moments.

Biid = Giannis
Tobias = Middleton
Jrue (25% shooting) = Shake (22% shooting)

Nevertheless, it’s not yet an issue given Biid has been delivering like Peak Dirk Nowitzki while Biid and Tobi are shooting at a high clip on the 40% of our crunch time shots.
But do you really trust Tobi to shoot this well?

To dig deeper.. the biggest problem is on the handful of game defining shots/possessions. This is where Celts lead the pack when Tatum and Brown leads with 14FGM compared to just 3 FGM by Tobi and Biid.

When we need a shot to win or tie the game, who do you go to?

Watch on YouTube

I think you're reading into the stats incorrectly. If you notice the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record (5-0 when Embiid plays). Joel has done a great job handling double teams this and finding the open man.

As for Shake, he hasn't really had the opportunity to be the main perimeter threat down the stretch (unbelievable that they went away from him in the Memphis game), so the stats are pretty meaningless. Joel is going to be option 1, but I think he's clearly our best perimeter option and should be getting looks over Tobias. And if we get into tie game, wind the clock and take the last shot mode, I imagine he is the guy they'd look to. For now, I think they prefer running actual plays rather hero ball, which tends to be far more effective.

i said it’s not an issue with how Biid and Tobias are shooting right now.

So I notice..

“the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record”

I'm just thrown by why you'd even bother to bring up the numbers in the context of it being a problem when they obviously don't show that.

I think it's a legit question mark for the team. But aside from the Jimmy year, we're better built for these situations than we have been.

[76ciology]

I think you're reading into the stats incorrectly. If you notice the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record (5-0 when Embiid plays). Joel has done a great job handling double teams this and finding the open man.

As for Shake, he hasn't really had the opportunity to be the main perimeter threat down the stretch (unbelievable that they went away from him in the Memphis game), so the stats are pretty meaningless. Joel is going to be option 1, but I think he's clearly our best perimeter option and should be getting looks over Tobias. And if we get into tie game, wind the clock and take the last shot mode, I imagine he is the guy they'd look to. For now, I think they prefer running actual plays rather hero ball, which tends to be far more effective.

i said it’s not an issue with how Biid and Tobias are shooting right now.

So I notice..

“the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record”

I'm just thrown by why you'd even bother to bring up the numbers in the context of it being a problem when they obviously don't show that.

I think it's a legit question mark for the team. But aside from the Jimmy year, we're better built for these situations than we have been.

because i want people to know the limitation of Shake, a player i really like.

Shake is a good player. But as of now, he’s not proven to be reliable to participate in those “trading baskets” moments in crunch time. Like what recently we’ve witnessed Colin Sexton did against the Nets. He’s nowhere near that good and his scoring is done mostly on the non-crucial moments of the game.

So for now, like I pointed out, I do acknowledge that we are doing well for now. But this relies a lot on Tobi and Biid’s hot shooting this season. And like I said, it’s not an issues if both can sustain it. But im staying open minded to the possibility in a “what if” scenario if both guys would revert back to how they play in recent years.