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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#161 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:55 am

I have to think that if there's zero interest around the league, he would've been cut by now. They must be in discussions.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#162 » by Harper4Ferry? » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:14 am

jbk1234 wrote:I have to think that if there's zero interest around the league, he would've been cut by now. They must be in discussions.

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Yeah hopefully they’ll offload him soon cause we could stand to use his roster spot for a guy that can actually play and help the team.

Edit-Also is Windler ever going to be healthy? We’re still sorely lacking in healthy guards and he’s missing time to contribute. At 24+ years old and 0 healthy games it’s about time to look elsewhere
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#163 » by JonFromVA » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:44 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:I have to think that if there's zero interest around the league, he would've been cut by now. They must be in discussions.

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Yeah hopefully they’ll offload him soon cause we could stand to use his roster spot for a guy that can actually play and help the team.

Edit-Also is Windler ever going to be healthy? We’re still sorely lacking in healthy guards and he’s missing time to contribute. At 24+ years old and 0 healthy games it’s about time to look elsewhere


Well, Kevin is paid a salary, so it's always possible he could be slipped in to another deal as salary filler and that team can then decide whether to give him another shot or cut him.

With Garland, Sexton, and Windler all on the way back and 2 new guys, freeing up the roster spot is not a huge problem unless we can identify a backup guard better than Dotson and that might need to happen as part of a bigger trade.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#164 » by Stillwater » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:53 pm

Windler needs to put his hand in the lucid dream or something and get to work imo or this teams ceiling is somewhat capped without KPJ going forward
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#165 » by Stillwater » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 am

If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#166 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:30 am

Stillwater wrote:If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
He had an amazing overtime. That said, his performance at the end of regulation is one of the reasons there was an overtime. Those were game winning opportunities as well.

Now, I'm happy he abandoned the drive and just kept shooting from 3 once he realized his shot was in cheat mode. Recognition of what's working and what's not is a really important part of development when it comes to a young player's game.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#167 » by Revenged25 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:34 am

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Stillwater wrote:If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
He had an amazing overtime. That said, his performance at the end of regulation is one of the reasons there was an overtime. Those were game winning opportunities as well.

Now, I'm happy he abandoned the drive and just kept shooting from 3 once he realized his shot was in cheat mode. Recognition of what's working and what's not is a really important part of development when it comes to a young player's game.

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Well a major reason there was an overtime was the Refs overturning the penalty on Kyrie that 100% was a penalty.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#168 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:57 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
He had an amazing overtime. That said, his performance at the end of regulation is one of the reasons there was an overtime. Those were game winning opportunities as well.

Now, I'm happy he abandoned the drive and just kept shooting from 3 once he realized his shot was in cheat mode. Recognition of what's working and what's not is a really important part of development when it comes to a young player's game.

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Well a major reason there was an overtime was the Refs overturning the penalty on Kyrie that 100% was a penalty.
Agreed that was an absurd overturn. I'm not sure that with the score tied and 1.2 on the clock you can pencil in the W. But Sexton tried to force things inside, which he is want to do, on a couple of possessions before that play.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#169 » by Stillwater » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:57 am

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Stillwater wrote:If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
He had an amazing overtime. That said, his performance at the end of regulation is one of the reasons there was an overtime. Those were game winning opportunities as well.

Now, I'm happy he abandoned the drive and just kept shooting from 3 once he realized his shot was in cheat mode. Recognition of what's working and what's not is a really important part of development when it comes to a young player's game.

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The point was with the game on the line they looked to him and he dominates over and over in crunch time. This is unteachable stuff.
He played solid defense throughout but overall his first half was uncharacteristically meh so had he played like normal i dont see them losing in regulation.
Whatever happens if the cavs keep winning and he keeps being mr 4th quarter hes gonna be an all star in this league.[quote]
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#170 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:04 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:If Sexton isn't a allstar this season he should be in the next 2 years esp if his game averages continue and esp if he keeps making clutch game winning shots like today against high level contenders.
He had an amazing overtime. That said, his performance at the end of regulation is one of the reasons there was an overtime. Those were game winning opportunities as well.

Now, I'm happy he abandoned the drive and just kept shooting from 3 once he realized his shot was in cheat mode. Recognition of what's working and what's not is a really important part of development when it comes to a young player's game.

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The point was with the game on the line they looked to him and he dominates over and over in crunch time. This is unteachable stuff.
He played solid defense throughout but overall his first half was uncharacteristically meh so had he played like normal i dont see them losing in regulation.
Whatever happens if the cavs keep winning and he keeps being mr 4th quarter hes gonna be an all star in this league.[quote]

So a couple of things: (1) With Drummond, Love, and Garland, out of the game, they should look to him. We currently have the 30th rated offense in the NBA. Out of 30 teams. (2) Sexton really didn't give them a choice but to look to him. There were a couple of times he looked off Cedi and passed it to a big man on the perimeter so no one else would take the shot. If he's cooking I'm fine with that, but Sexton isn't going to shoot 80% from 3 in crunch time on a consistent basis. No player is. If that's the plan, you need a new plan. This brings me to my last point. (3) Sexton has start being Mr. 4th quarter before he can *keep* being Mr. 4th quarter. He was great in overtime last night. He made a lot of hero shots. But most of this season he's pressed with the game on the line, and more often than not, that ended up with a bad shot around the rim, a block, or a turnover instead of points.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#171 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:45 am

Sexton has easily been the most clutch player on this roster for the past 2 seasons. He just isnt getting the attention he deserves for it because he cant do it all by himself all the time . But before this season nobody would have been surprised at last nights game that has been watching him so its nothing new. Its just more of Sexton being driven to succeed and succeeding. Finally hes getting a little respect but clearly it wont last until he cleans up some of the things that make him look stupid out there even though his counter whenever they happen is usually a right fixing a wrong
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#172 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:45 am

Stillwater wrote:Sexton has easily been the most clutch player on this roster for the past 2 seasons. He just isnt getting the attention he deserves for it because he cant do it all by himself all the time . But before this season nobody would have been surprised at last nights game that has been watching him so its nothing new. Its just more of Sexton being driven to succeed and succeeding. Finally hes getting a little respect but clearly it wont last until he cleans up some of the things that make him look stupid out there even though his counter whenever they happen is usually a right fixing a wrong
He has most certainly not been the most clutch person on the roster. We've won very few games his first two years and a big part of that was Sexton not adjusting to how teams tighten up their defenses, or refs tightening up the whistle in the last 5 minutes of those games that were close (and there weren't that many).

I'd be willing to bet that Sexton's FG% is markedly worse in crunch time his first two seasons in the NBA. I'd be surprised if he had more game winning shots than Love and Clarkson despite playing in far more games.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#173 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:49 am

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#174 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:53 am

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Stillwater wrote:Sexton has easily been the most clutch player on this roster for the past 2 seasons. He just isnt getting the attention he deserves for it because he cant do it all by himself all the time . But before this season nobody would have been surprised at last nights game that has been watching him so its nothing new. Its just more of Sexton being driven to succeed and succeeding. Finally hes getting a little respect but clearly it wont last until he cleans up some of the things that make him look stupid out there even though his counter whenever they happen is usually a right fixing a wrong
He has most certainly not been the most clutch person on the roster. We've won very few games his first two years and a big part of that was Sexton not adjusting to how teams tighten up their defenses, or refs tightening up the whistle in the last 5 minutes of those games that were close (and there weren't that many).

I'd be willing to bet that Sexton's FG% is markedly worse in crunch time his first two seasons in the NBA. I'd be surprised if he had more game winning shots than Love and Clarkson despite playing in far more games.

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soo whats your point then that he sucks in your opinion still? I completely disagree At some point you gotta take off the hate glasses since he isnt a pass first floor general and see he is far better at this game with the ball in his hands then off ball then you have given him credit but whatever
This year they are playing defense so its not the same team and they are going to be in more games where he has the clutch ability.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#175 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:10 am

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Stillwater wrote:Sexton has easily been the most clutch player on this roster for the past 2 seasons. He just isnt getting the attention he deserves for it because he cant do it all by himself all the time . But before this season nobody would have been surprised at last nights game that has been watching him so its nothing new. Its just more of Sexton being driven to succeed and succeeding. Finally hes getting a little respect but clearly it wont last until he cleans up some of the things that make him look stupid out there even though his counter whenever they happen is usually a right fixing a wrong
He has most certainly not been the most clutch person on the roster. We've won very few games his first two years and a big part of that was Sexton not adjusting to how teams tighten up their defenses, or refs tightening up the whistle in the last 5 minutes of those games that were close (and there weren't that many).

I'd be willing to bet that Sexton's FG% is markedly worse in crunch time his first two seasons in the NBA. I'd be surprised if he had more game winning shots than Love and Clarkson despite playing in far more games.

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soo whats your point then that he sucks in your opinion still? I completely disagree At some point you gotta take off the hate glasses since he isnt a pass first floor general and see he is far better at this game with the ball in his hands then off ball then you have given him credit but whatever
This year they are playing defense so its not the same team and they are going to be in more games where he has the clutch ability.
My point, is that you don't get to rewrite history and claim he's Mr. 4th quarter best clutch player eva because he went video game in overtime in one game.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#176 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:13 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:He has most certainly not been the most clutch person on the roster. We've won very few games his first two years and a big part of that was Sexton not adjusting to how teams tighten up their defenses, or refs tightening up the whistle in the last 5 minutes of those games that were close (and there weren't that many).

I'd be willing to bet that Sexton's FG% is markedly worse in crunch time his first two seasons in the NBA. I'd be surprised if he had more game winning shots than Love and Clarkson despite playing in far more games.

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soo whats your point then that he sucks in your opinion still? I completely disagree At some point you gotta take off the hate glasses since he isnt a pass first floor general and see he is far better at this game with the ball in his hands then off ball then you have given him credit but whatever
This year they are playing defense so its not the same team and they are going to be in more games where he has the clutch ability.
My point, is that you don't get to rewrite history and claim he's Mr. 4th quarter best clutch player eva because he went video game in overtime in one game.

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I get it but I think you are missing the point I am making is he has always had that clutch gene even if the team hasnt been good enough to be in games for him to do his thing or be given the space and the ball to prove it like he did yesterday. You are going to see JBB giving him a lot of these closer opps imo going forward then we shall see if I am right or not
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#177 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:25 am

Stillwater wrote:
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Stillwater wrote:soo whats your point then that he sucks in your opinion still? I completely disagree At some point you gotta take off the hate glasses since he isnt a pass first floor general and see he is far better at this game with the ball in his hands then off ball then you have given him credit but whatever
This year they are playing defense so its not the same team and they are going to be in more games where he has the clutch ability.
My point, is that you don't get to rewrite history and claim he's Mr. 4th quarter best clutch player eva because he went video game in overtime in one game.

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I get it but I think you are missing the point I am making is he has always had that clutch gene even if the team hasnt been good enough to be in games for him to do his thing or be given the space and the ball to prove it like he did yesterday. You are going to see JBB giving him a lot of these closer opps imo going forward then we shall see if I am right or not
Well if he can go 6-7 from 3 to close out games, yes he should do that all the time. If that's his thing, great.

If *his thing* is driving into the trees, throwing up an awkward desperation shot in traffic, getting it blocked, or turning it over like he did at the close of regulation last night, then no, he shouldn't do that.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#178 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:58 am

jbk1234 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:My point, is that you don't get to rewrite history and claim he's Mr. 4th quarter best clutch player eva because he went video game in overtime in one game.

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I get it but I think you are missing the point I am making is he has always had that clutch gene even if the team hasnt been good enough to be in games for him to do his thing or be given the space and the ball to prove it like he did yesterday. You are going to see JBB giving him a lot of these closer opps imo going forward then we shall see if I am right or not
Well if he can go 6-7 from 3 to close out games, yes he should do that all the time. If that's his thing, great.

If *his thing* is driving into the trees, throwing up an awkward desperation shot in traffic, getting it blocked, or turning it over like he did at the close of regulation last night, then no, he shouldn't do that.

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yeah driving into a crowded paint area and stopping then passing to an open wing who knocks down a open shot is fine by me. dont look pretty but the paint wont stay clogged if he keeps kicking it out like that and the shots are falling. You have to start somewhere and if they clog the paint short of hunting for cutters from the top of the key instead of forcing lesser % shots the guards are going to drive into the trees or become chuckers its inevitable
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#180 » by yoyoboy » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:19 pm

Garland back tonight. Hoping for a competitive game. Okoro needs to contain Harden and Sexton needs to abuse Kyrie.

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