NBA Trade Thread #2

[MisterRoy]

Would you accept trade offer from Denver like this: Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zekke Nnaji and two first round picks for Lavine. That seems what would realisticlly their trade offer looked like?

It starts with MPJ or Bol/3frps/RJ

How does any of this make our team better? The picks are late FRP. 99% of the time they are not high level talent. MPJ is a good player but he isn't Zach.

You don't just trade away a talent like Zach for a late FRP or picks, where the odds are heavily against you to draft someone of his talent that late.


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[HomoSapien]

I'd love to see us trade WCJ and Felicio to the Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas. JV is a guy I think has been undervalued and underutilized his entire career. In Chicago, he'd easily become a second option while on the floor, gives us the inside threat we're lacking, and would also help get our shooters open looks with his ability to draw double teams.

Per 36 he's averaging 19 and 14. Last season he averaged 20 and 15. He's 28, so fits better with Zach's timeline than Morant's.

On the Grizzlies side, they get a young and productive center who is still on his rookie contract and as well as significant savings due to Felicio's expiring deal.

New Lineup:

C.Valanciunas/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Young
SF.Williams/Porter Jr./Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Makoka
PG.White/Satoransky/Arcidiacano

We'd legitimately be two-deep at every position, and add some diversity to our offense.

Thoughts?

[gobullschi]

I'd love to see us trade WCJ and Felicio to the Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas. JV is a guy I think has been undervalued and underutilized his entire career. In Chicago, he'd easily become a second option while on the floor, gives us the inside threat we're lacking, and would also help get our shooters open looks with his ability to draw double teams.

Per 36 he's averaging 19 and 14. Last season he averaged 20 and 15. He's 28, so fits better with Zach's timeline than Morant's.

On the Grizzlies side, they get a young and productive center who is still on his rookie contract and as well as significant savings due to Felicio's expiring deal.

New Lineup:

C.Valanciunas/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Young
SF.Williams/Porter Jr./Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Makoka
PG.White/Satoransky/Arcidiacano

We'd legitimately be two-deep at every position, and add some diversity to our offense.

Thoughts?

Do you like Jonas Valanciunas more than Drummond + WCJ?

If the Bulls want to target a traditional center, why not sign Drummond in the off-season? He’s clearly not re-signing with Cleveland & the Bulls could either slowly develop WCJ behind Drummond or flip him for another asset.

[HomoSapien]

I'd love to see us trade WCJ and Felicio to the Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas. JV is a guy I think has been undervalued and underutilized his entire career. In Chicago, he'd easily become a second option while on the floor, gives us the inside threat we're lacking, and would also help get our shooters open looks with his ability to draw double teams.

Per 36 he's averaging 19 and 14. Last season he averaged 20 and 15. He's 28, so fits better with Zach's timeline than Morant's.

On the Grizzlies side, they get a young and productive center who is still on his rookie contract and as well as significant savings due to Felicio's expiring deal.

New Lineup:

C.Valanciunas/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Young
SF.Williams/Porter Jr./Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Makoka
PG.White/Satoransky/Arcidiacano

We'd legitimately be two-deep at every position, and add some diversity to our offense.

Thoughts?

Do you like Jonas Valanciunas more than Drummond + WCJ?

If the Bulls want to target a traditional center, why not sign Drummond in the off-season? He’s clearly not re-signing with Cleveland & the Bulls could either slowly develop WCJ behind Drummond or flip him for another asset.

Hm, that's actually tough. I think JV is the safer option, but I've also been advocating trading for Drummond since last season because I think he's such a special talent. If a team can get through to him, he has the ability to be a top 3 center in the NBA. That said, I don't want to wait till next season to make a move. I'd like to see us make the playoffs this season, in part because it will help us understand if Lauri should be part of the core. Getting JV or Drummond this year pushes us in that direction.

I wouldn't be interested in keeping WCJ on the roster if we get Drummond (though I understand we could theoretically flip him for something else). I don't think the minutes would be there to justify his use and also don't think he'd be able to play the 4 next to Dre. Gafford as a backup, and a modern 3/4 who can shoot and defend would probably be ideal, IMO.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Would you accept trade offer from Denver like this: Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zekke Nnaji and two first round picks for Lavine. That seems what would realisticlly their trade offer looked like?

It starts with MPJ or Bol/3frps/RJ

I would do this if MPJ is involved, but dont see Denver doing this. Outside of Porter not fan off deal with Nuggets, but you have to listen every offer and than decide to reject after.

[sco]

I'd love to see us trade WCJ and Felicio to the Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas. JV is a guy I think has been undervalued and underutilized his entire career. In Chicago, he'd easily become a second option while on the floor, gives us the inside threat we're lacking, and would also help get our shooters open looks with his ability to draw double teams.

Per 36 he's averaging 19 and 14. Last season he averaged 20 and 15. He's 28, so fits better with Zach's timeline than Morant's.

On the Grizzlies side, they get a young and productive center who is still on his rookie contract and as well as significant savings due to Felicio's expiring deal.

New Lineup:

C.Valanciunas/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Young
SF.Williams/Porter Jr./Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Makoka
PG.White/Satoransky/Arcidiacano

We'd legitimately be two-deep at every position, and add some diversity to our offense.

Thoughts?

Do you like Jonas Valanciunas more than Drummond + WCJ?

If the Bulls want to target a traditional center, why not sign Drummond in the off-season? He’s clearly not re-signing with Cleveland & the Bulls could either slowly develop WCJ behind Drummond or flip him for another asset.

I'd try to trade for Drummond now and get a 1/2 season position battle with Carter before signing a big deal. Cav's asking price shouldn't be too high. Porter for Drummond straight up works.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Only players on rookie deals are consider worthy trading Lavine with addition of pick/s and salary relieff, are Michael Porter Jr, Tyreese Haliburton, Anthony Edwards, James Wiseman, package of Reddish/Hunter, Barett/Robinson and maybe Trent/Simmons/Little combined.

[gobullschi]

I'd love to see us trade WCJ and Felicio to the Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas. JV is a guy I think has been undervalued and underutilized his entire career. In Chicago, he'd easily become a second option while on the floor, gives us the inside threat we're lacking, and would also help get our shooters open looks with his ability to draw double teams.

Per 36 he's averaging 19 and 14. Last season he averaged 20 and 15. He's 28, so fits better with Zach's timeline than Morant's.

On the Grizzlies side, they get a young and productive center who is still on his rookie contract and as well as significant savings due to Felicio's expiring deal.

New Lineup:

C.Valanciunas/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Young
SF.Williams/Porter Jr./Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Makoka
PG.White/Satoransky/Arcidiacano

We'd legitimately be two-deep at every position, and add some diversity to our offense.

Thoughts?

Do you like Jonas Valanciunas more than Drummond + WCJ?

If the Bulls want to target a traditional center, why not sign Drummond in the off-season? He’s clearly not re-signing with Cleveland & the Bulls could either slowly develop WCJ behind Drummond or flip him for another asset.

Hm, that's actually tough. I think JV is the safer option, but I've also been advocating trading for Drummond since last season because I think he's such a special talent. If a team can get through to him, he has the ability to be a top 3 center in the NBA. That said, I don't want to wait till next season to make a move. I'd like to see us make the playoffs this season, in part because it will help us understand if Lauri should be part of the core. Getting JV or Drummond this year pushes us in that direction.

I wouldn't be interested in keeping WCJ on the roster if we get Drummond (though I understand we could theoretically flip him for something else). I don't think the minutes would be there to justify his use and also don't think he'd be able to play the 4 next to Dre. Gafford as a backup, and a modern 3/4 who can shoot and defend would probably be ideal, IMO.

I bet Cleveland is more likely to move Drummond than Memphis moving JV.

I’m also a fan of adding Drummond this season, but I would prefer to keep WCJ because I have some concerns that adding traditional center like Drummond who can’t shoot and might struggle defensively on switches, could be an issue in tHe playoffs. Having WCJ is good insurance if the experiment doesn’t work.

Chicago Receives:
Andre Drummond + Danny Green

Philadelphia Receives:
OPJ + Dean Wade (salary filler)

Cleveland Receives:
Cristiano Felicio + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2022 1st (via PHI - lotto protected)

Adding Danny Green can help fill the void for a veteran shooter off the bench.

Coby White - Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine - Garrett Temple
Patrick Williams - Danny Green
Lauri Markkanen - Thaddeus Young
Andre Drummond - Wendell Carter Jr.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

We had great Grant, Horace, we had bad Grant,Jerian, what about Jerami? Otto + Wendell and couple of seconds or Hutch. I am willing to pay that price. Grant would be such nice connector betwenn Zach and Lauri and give us versitality with PWill, than you can maybe put Lauri on five spot with those two defenders on wing. What kind of compensation would Detroit look for? Maybe White with salarie fillers. Goal is to add Grant to Lavine,Williams,Markkanen and our 2021 frp. Any ideas?

[sco]

We had great Grant, Horace, we had bad Grant,Jerian, what about Jerami? Otto + Wendell and couple of seconds or Hutch. I am willing to pay that price. Grant would be such nice connector betwenn Zach and Lauri and give us versitality with PWill, than you can maybe put Lauri on five spot with those two defenders on wing. What kind of compensation would Detroit look for? Maybe White with salarie fillers. Goal is to add Grant to Lavine,Williams,Markkanen and our 2021 frp. Any ideas?

IMO, the better trade would be to send Otto, Lauri and filler for Grant and take back Griffin's deal. Griffin sucks and is way overpaid, but it only goes one more year.

[TheFinishSniper]

Aquiring Grant is interesting proposition. I am curious what would Pistons ask for him. We can easily match salary with expiring Otto, but things is what would Pistons want in return. My guess is combination of rookie deal players + possibly protected pick. I would gladly trade both Lauri and White without including a pick at all. But with Hayes injury on their side they might be interested in that combo.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

We had great Grant, Horace, we had bad Grant,Jerian, what about Jerami? Otto + Wendell and couple of seconds or Hutch. I am willing to pay that price. Grant would be such nice connector betwenn Zach and Lauri and give us versitality with PWill, than you can maybe put Lauri on five spot with those two defenders on wing. What kind of compensation would Detroit look for? Maybe White with salarie fillers. Goal is to add Grant to Lavine,Williams,Markkanen and our 2021 frp. Any ideas?

IMO, the better trade would be to send Otto, Lauri and filler for Grant and take back Griffin's deal. Griffin sucks and is way overpaid, but it only goes one more year.

Griffin at the moment is worst contract in Nba. He is done, zero dunks this season. Why he played so far, you can argue Felicio would play better, and i consider Felicio one of the worst player/s if not the worst in whole Nba.

[MrSparkle]

I guess I will slightly jump on the pitchforks-for-AK wagon... seeing Wood's RFA price, and knowing Lauri was far apart on the extension (which leaves us in a tough spot with Lauri's coming RFA)... and seeing Grant break out, with AK knowing him for a year in DEN... it is a bummer that two very good hybrid PFs went below-market value (granted, Grant was considered overpaid), and we're stuck with probably an inflated-market value for Lauri if he continues his preposterous 64% TS (mind you, on mostly wide-open shots).

I actually thought Grant's contract was in the realm of "fair" given his age and defensive/two-position floor, I just thought he was a stupid pickup for DET given their situation and roster, and I sure didn't expect him to start scoring like a maniac in a bigger role. His playoff advanced stats were pretty cold, so what's happening right now was very unexpected. I've got to say, in the midst of the MPJ scoring craze, I realize he's got some freak iso talent, but his defense was atrocious in the bubble, whereas Grant's defense was so good it was basically worth a $15m+ price tag (IMO). So what confused me, was seeing how badly Jokic defended in Orlando... was it was wise letting Grant go and holding MPJ? We'll see how the Nuggets fair when he's back on the floor, but he's not gonna help that bottom-tier defensive ranking. With Millsap a year older, Grant/Plumlee gone, and Harris managing to be even worse than last year, I don't expect DEN to make the 2nd rd despite Jokic being in peak shape. They gambled on some farm pieces like Bol, RJ and MPJ, but it might've been wise to just sell high on the young bubble-assets since they were 3 games away from the finals.

[sco]

We had great Grant, Horace, we had bad Grant,Jerian, what about Jerami? Otto + Wendell and couple of seconds or Hutch. I am willing to pay that price. Grant would be such nice connector betwenn Zach and Lauri and give us versitality with PWill, than you can maybe put Lauri on five spot with those two defenders on wing. What kind of compensation would Detroit look for? Maybe White with salarie fillers. Goal is to add Grant to Lavine,Williams,Markkanen and our 2021 frp. Any ideas?

IMO, the better trade would be to send Otto, Lauri and filler for Grant and take back Griffin's deal. Griffin sucks and is way overpaid, but it only goes one more year.

Griffin at the moment is worst contract in Nba. He is done, zero dunks this season. Why he played so far, you can argue Felicio would play better, and i consider Felicio one of the worst player/s if not the worst in whole Nba.

Taking Griffin's deal is the enticement to get Grant, who is playing at an allstar level this season. The way I think about it, we'd be using our offseason capspace to get an allstar, and then we'd have Griffin's deal as a trade filler next deadline or, at worst, we'd be punting our capspace forward a season. I'd be psyched to have a new core of Zach, PWill, Grant plus maybe a better version of Coby or a new PG, same with Carter next season.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

IMO, the better trade would be to send Otto, Lauri and filler for Grant and take back Griffin's deal. Griffin sucks and is way overpaid, but it only goes one more year.

Griffin at the moment is worst contract in Nba. He is done, zero dunks this season. Why he played so far, you can argue Felicio would play better, and i consider Felicio one of the worst player/s if not the worst in whole Nba.

Taking Griffin's deal is the enticement to get Grant, who is playing at an allstar level this season. The way I think about it, we'd be using our offseason capspace to get an allstar, and then we'd have Griffin's deal as a trade filler next deadline or, at worst, we'd be punting our capspace forward a season. I'd be psyched to have a new core of Zach, PWill, Grant plus maybe a better version of Coby or a new PG, same with Carter next season.

Taking Blake's deal is worse than paying injured Otto 28,5 mil max deal. We could easily have 30 up to 50 mil in cap space and rather sign Collins on max deal, without lossing assets. We should maintain cap flexibilty only taking those longterms bad contracts attached by multiple first round picks.

[Jiipee84]

For KAT and Rubio, I would add the keep Lauri and add the 2023 unprotected (and maybe 2025 with some protection)
Rubio/Sato/Archie
Lavine/Temple/Sato
Williams/Hutch/Valentine
Tyoung/WIlliams
KAT/Gafford/Lauri

That is an awesome team and it could grow. Minny would have
Edwards, White, Culver, Carter and picks. They would have to pray they keep their 2021 pick-but at least they would be on track to have the worst record. Not sure what kind of market DLo would have

Lauri would need to go. He is a bad fit with KAT, and Minny might be excited about having a Finn, who might actually like Minny.

Just an short notice.
Minnesota Timberwolves is one of the worst bottom teams in NBA right now.

So why in the hell Lauri should get traded one of the worst teams in NBA which isn't even close to go playoffs this season.
Lauri has said that he's tired of losing and only thing what he cares about is a winning.

And that how Minnesota has had Finns was in NHL
when Niklas Backstrom, Mikael Granlund, Mikko Koivu and Erik Haula
played in Minnesota Wild's NHL team and it was good while ago.

[sco]

For KAT and Rubio, I would add the keep Lauri and add the 2023 unprotected (and maybe 2025 with some protection)
Rubio/Sato/Archie
Lavine/Temple/Sato
Williams/Hutch/Valentine
Tyoung/WIlliams
KAT/Gafford/Lauri

That is an awesome team and it could grow. Minny would have
Edwards, White, Culver, Carter and picks. They would have to pray they keep their 2021 pick-but at least they would be on track to have the worst record. Not sure what kind of market DLo would have

Lauri would need to go. He is a bad fit with KAT, and Minny might be excited about having a Finn, who might actually like Minny.

Just an short notice.
Minnesota Timberwolves is one of the worst bottom teams in NBA right now.

So why in the hell Lauri should get traded one of the worst teams in NBA which isn't even close to go playoffs this season.
Lauri has said that he's tired of losing and only thing what he cares about is a winning.

And that how Minnesota has had Finns was in NHL
when Niklas Backstrom, Mikael Granlund, Mikko Koivu and Erik Haula
played in Minnesota Wild's NHL team and it was good while ago.

I think Lauri would be very happy in Minny. He could be their great white hope to build on! Anyway, not his call. He doesn't have to go to minny, but he can't stay here. That's my opinion that is meaningless, but STRONG!

[sco]

Griffin at the moment is worst contract in Nba. He is done, zero dunks this season. Why he played so far, you can argue Felicio would play better, and i consider Felicio one of the worst player/s if not the worst in whole Nba.

Taking Griffin's deal is the enticement to get Grant, who is playing at an allstar level this season. The way I think about it, we'd be using our offseason capspace to get an allstar, and then we'd have Griffin's deal as a trade filler next deadline or, at worst, we'd be punting our capspace forward a season. I'd be psyched to have a new core of Zach, PWill, Grant plus maybe a better version of Coby or a new PG, same with Carter next season.

Taking Blake's deal is worse than paying injured Otto 28,5 mil max deal. We could easily have 30 up to 50 mil in cap space and rather sign Collins on max deal, without lossing assets. We should maintain cap flexibilty only taking those longterms bad contracts attached by multiple first round picks.

It really isn't that bad of a contract remaining, and taking it to get Grant is akin to getting a 1st (you won't get more than 1, and not a good one).

[dpucane]

Grant doesnt interest me really. He's an overpaid glue guy.

I would consider Otto/Shrek for Griffin/Sekou if they really wanted to dump salary.

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[Dez]

For KAT and Rubio, I would add the keep Lauri and add the 2023 unprotected (and maybe 2025 with some protection)
Rubio/Sato/Archie
Lavine/Temple/Sato
Williams/Hutch/Valentine
Tyoung/WIlliams
KAT/Gafford/Lauri

That is an awesome team and it could grow. Minny would have
Edwards, White, Culver, Carter and picks. They would have to pray they keep their 2021 pick-but at least they would be on track to have the worst record. Not sure what kind of market DLo would have

Lauri would need to go. He is a bad fit with KAT, and Minny might be excited about having a Finn, who might actually like Minny.

Just an short notice.
Minnesota Timberwolves is one of the worst bottom teams in NBA right now.

So why in the hell Lauri should get traded one of the worst teams in NBA which isn't even close to go playoffs this season.
Lauri has said that he's tired of losing and only thing what he cares about is a winning.

And that how Minnesota has had Finns was in NHL
when Niklas Backstrom, Mikael Granlund, Mikko Koivu and Erik Haula
played in Minnesota Wild's NHL team and it was good while ago.

What Lauri thinks is irrelevant in a trade to the Bulls, he'd go where the best offer is for the Bulls same with any player.