GT: Nets @ Cavs - Wednesday, 1/20/21 | 7:00pm EST | YES | The Big 3 Debut!

[DarkXaero]

Kyrie is a better off-ball player then Harris. it is hard to make an argument otherwise. he shoots it at 42% from deep on high volume (including 58% from three on catch and shoot threes and 50% on corner threes. Kyrie won a title next to a superstar as an off-ball player. there is really no argument projection or otherwise that harris is a better option to start then kyrie

Kyrie in Cleveland was the secondary ball handler next to LeBron there wasn’t another guy that needed touches especially with Love sacrificing a lot. We have 2 guys that are ball dominant having a floor spacer and someone that doesn’t need the ball works better IMO. Throughout the game they were just going my turn your turn and isolating a lot. Harris is still the better shooter that’s a fact you can’t argue against. But at the end of the day he will be starting so this argument is moot.

I mean, its so wrong its confusing as to how you got here. Kyrie was the second ball handler in CLE and he was the second ball handler last night. how exactly is that an issue? Durant still gets his touches, he led us in scoring.

if you want to talk facts go back a few posts were i literally posted VIDEO of kyries scoring which shows 90% of it was off ball within the flow of the offense. off screens, off pin downs, in the corner spacing the floor.

Harris is not a better shooter then kyrie.

-Kyrie higher pecentage on catch and shoot threes
-Kyrie higher percentage on corner threes
-Kyrie higher percentage mid range
-kyrie higher percentage at the rim

thats the off ball stuff. Kyrie's overall 3 point percentage is lower, but thats due to him shooting 3 more attempts per game/much higher volume and taking more threes off the dribble.

Kyrie is simply a better shooter then harris in every aspect. unless you think harris would sustain his 7% shooting margin over kyrie if he took 3 more threes a game running point off of cross overs.

I appreciate you trying to prop up Kyrie's off ball game (which I think is hella underrated), but let's not talk bull please. Kyrie does NOT have a higher percentage on catch and shoot threes than Joe Harris, and it aint even close.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch-shoot/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=-1


Joe Harris this season has arguably been the best catch & shoot guy in the entire league, shooting 54.4% on 5.6 attempts per game.

[DarkXaero]

In regards to the depth discussion, we have depth, it's just that it is stacked in the same positions. Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, Tyler Johnson are all capable of playing backup SG adequately, but they're all competing for the same minutes so it has to be a choice. Meanwhile, guys like TLC and Reggie Perry have no real competition as DJ & Jeff Green are starting. Theoretically, we could run a 3 guard lineup off the bench (say Harden/Brown/Shamet) but the problem is that we're already playing small off bench with TLC & Perry at 4/5. Once the 4/5 depth are addressed, things will look a lot better with bench, but regardless, the bench unit severely underperformed last night, and it shouldn't be that bad again.

[MrDollarBills]

I love Harris but hes almost a luxury at this point.

Would you guys be completely opposed to trading him for a good defensive wing player?

It sounds stupid to trade a shooter, but I think its a move we should look at.

I think this is a knee jerk reaction based off one bad game. The two games prior, we saw Joe drop 20 pt games effortlessly, thriving off the defenses focusing on KD & Harden. Joe is the ideal player to have next to these stars. He's a low usage, high IQ player who is a high level off ball threat, and becomes more dangerous next to these guys. Sure, he's not a great defender but he gives full effort on both ends.

And for what it's worth, there were three guys who were off the table in the Harden trade if The Athletic are to believed, and those three guys were KD, Kyrie, and Joe Harris. We made everyone else available. So regardless of what we want, I don't think Joe is going anywhere this season.

And nor should he. He is a key part of this team if we want to win a championship.

[3pt_chucker]

The over analysis of this game has gotten ridiculous. I guess this is what happens when your team has 3 superstars

It's not like we got destroyed by the Cavs. The team slept walk most of the game. The bench didn't step up. Nash could've been better. KD and Harden could've been better.

Let's wait at least 5-10 games before making sweeping declarations. We knew post trade the front court depth was lacking, so we need another big and wing. Let's get that sorted and get the guys playing together before making ridiculous first take level hot takes.

One thing's for sure Steve Nas has to figure out how to play Bruce Brown more minutes every game. He has struggled with properly utilizing rotations(even in wins) and he needs to get that fixed. He's scarily starting to resemble MDA, who would run his starters into the ground. No need for that here.

[Paradise]

Last night’s game was the most watched in the entire league and highest rated game on YES in 6 years.

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[sashaturiaf]

Colin Sexton was just unconscious, it happens sometimes these guys are all some of the best ball players in the world. Nothing you can do about it.

Should have just fouled him while up 3 with a few seconds to go, but I sensed complacency in our body language. None of the guys really took the Cavs seriously but I guess Sexton made us take notice now

[ecuhus1981]

In regards to the depth discussion, we have depth, it's just that it is stacked in the same positions. Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, Tyler Johnson are all capable of playing backup SG adequately, but they're all competing for the same minutes so it has to be a choice. Meanwhile, guys like TLC and Reggie Perry have no real competition as DJ & Jeff Green are starting. Theoretically, we could run a 3 guard lineup off the bench (say Harden/Brown/Shamet) but the problem is that we're already playing small off bench with TLC & Perry at 4/5. Once the 4/5 depth are addressed, things will look a lot better with bench, but regardless, the bench unit severely underperformed last night, and it shouldn't be that bad again.

I think it's coaching more than personnel, how Nash is utilizing the tools at his disposal.

Main problem: he has GOT to coach someone up to be the backup PG, and run the 2nd unit. It's cute to have TLC bring it up a few possessions, she we played with Green and Prince in that role earlier in the season. But it's clear that no one has earned Steve's trust as THE bench floor general. Everyone is in charge and no one is in charge.

I think it should be Tyler Johnson, with Shamet and Harris flanking him. Brown needs to start in order for us to keep dribble drive from ripping our 1st unit apart. I understated COVID protocol probably delayed this development, but he was an healthy DNP-CD last night, and our bench killed us because they had no one to lead them and run sets. For an Hall of Fame PG (and the whole staff is full of former PG's), this oversight is unfathomable.

[MrDollarBills]

In regards to the depth discussion, we have depth, it's just that it is stacked in the same positions. Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, Tyler Johnson are all capable of playing backup SG adequately, but they're all competing for the same minutes so it has to be a choice. Meanwhile, guys like TLC and Reggie Perry have no real competition as DJ & Jeff Green are starting. Theoretically, we could run a 3 guard lineup off the bench (say Harden/Brown/Shamet) but the problem is that we're already playing small off bench with TLC & Perry at 4/5. Once the 4/5 depth are addressed, things will look a lot better with bench, but regardless, the bench unit severely underperformed last night, and it shouldn't be that bad again.

I think it's coaching more than personnel, how Nash is utilizing the tools at his disposal.

Main problem: he has GOT to coach someone up to be the backup PG, and run the 2nd unit. It's cute to have TLC bring it up a few possessions, she we played with Green and Prince in that role earlier in the season. But it's clear that no one has earned Steve's trust as THE bench floor general. Everyone is in charge and no one is in charge.

I think it should be Tyler Johnson, with Shamet and Harris flanking him. Brown needs to start in order for us to keep dribble drive from ripping our 1st unit apart. I understated COVID protocol probably delayed this development, but he was an healthy DNP-CD last night, and our bench killed us because they had no one to lead them and run sets. For an Hall of Fame PG (and the whole staff is full of former PG's), this oversight is unfathomable.

I agree with you to a point, I don't think that Nash trusts any of the players on the bench. The guys logging 25+ mins he trusts. Everyone else? LOL.

That says to me it's more of a personnel problem than a coaching problem per say. Nash isn't stupid. He's a HOFer that has been in the trenches. He knows what it takes to win. He sees guys like TLC, Chiozza, Shamet, Johnson, Perry, and Brown and he knows that they aren't going to cut it. Lets be real.

This isn't like how it was over the last few years where we could let guys play through it and develop. The team has championship aspirations. How long is anyone willing to wait for Shamet's jumper to start falling, or for TLC to stop playing like a moron? No one has time for any of this **** man. We need veteran rotational pieces that are proven and reliable.

Sean Marks has to make some moves here to get at least 3 more rotational players on this roster. The days of relying on bargain bin level NBA players are over. No one has time to coach these guys up, if we did Kenny would be still here and we wouldn't be sending out multiple 1st rounders to field a roster with 3 top 15 NBA players.

[Paradise]

In regards to the depth discussion, we have depth, it's just that it is stacked in the same positions. Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, Tyler Johnson are all capable of playing backup SG adequately, but they're all competing for the same minutes so it has to be a choice. Meanwhile, guys like TLC and Reggie Perry have no real competition as DJ & Jeff Green are starting. Theoretically, we could run a 3 guard lineup off the bench (say Harden/Brown/Shamet) but the problem is that we're already playing small off bench with TLC & Perry at 4/5. Once the 4/5 depth are addressed, things will look a lot better with bench, but regardless, the bench unit severely underperformed last night, and it shouldn't be that bad again.

I think it's coaching more than personnel, how Nash is utilizing the tools at his disposal.

Main problem: he has GOT to coach someone up to be the backup PG, and run the 2nd unit. It's cute to have TLC bring it up a few possessions, she we played with Green and Prince in that role earlier in the season. But it's clear that no one has earned Steve's trust as THE bench floor general. Everyone is in charge and no one is in charge.

I think it should be Tyler Johnson, with Shamet and Harris flanking him. Brown needs to start in order for us to keep dribble drive from ripping our 1st unit apart. I understated COVID protocol probably delayed this development, but he was an healthy DNP-CD last night, and our bench killed us because they had no one to lead them and run sets. For an Hall of Fame PG (and the whole staff is full of former PG's), this oversight is unfathomable.

I agree with you to a point, I don't think that Nash trusts any of the players on the bench. The guys logging 25+ mins he trusts. Everyone else? LOL.

That says to me it's more of a personnel problem than a coaching problem per say. Nash isn't stupid. He's a HOFer that has been in the trenches. He knows what it takes to win. He sees guys like TLC, Chiozza, Shamet, Johnson, Perry, and Brown and he knows that they aren't going to cut it. Lets be real.

This isn't like how it was over the last few years where we could let guys play through it and develop. The team has championship aspirations. How long is anyone willing to wait for Shamet's jumper to start falling, or for TLC to stop playing like a moron? No one has time for any of this **** man. We need veteran rotational pieces that are proven and reliable.

Sean Marks has to make some moves here to get at least 3 more rotational players on this roster. The days of relying on bargain bin level NBA players are over. No one has time to coach these guys up, if we did Kenny would be still here and we wouldn't be sending out multiple 1st rounders to field a roster with 3 top 15 NBA players.

There is still no excuse not to throw in Tyler Johnson or Brown in spurt minutes. These guys aren’t scrubs. They have proven to be productive when given consistent minutes.

TJ missed time due to Covid just like KD. Not playing him because he wants to overuse his new toy in Harden isn’t professionally smart coaching.

He went from “experimenting” quotes to “Hi, I’m Steve Thibs Nash” playing guys ridiculous minutes to save a win because he’s too green to make proper adjustments without relying on KD or James.

He’s not absolutely terrible but he has made some pretty egregious rookie mistakes that has cost us wins. This has happened BEFORE Harden. I’ve seen this man forget Jarrett Allen existed in Memphis two weeks ago during a game where we got pounded on the glass before bringing him back in the game at 2 minute mark. Game was already lost with Caris putting up 43.

So, Caris puts up 43, Allen 12/6/6, Prince with 16 Pts and we lost WITH depth. Nets lose to Cleveland with KD’s 40, Kyrie’s 37 and James putting up a 20 point triple double. Same damn thing.

Steve needs to call every damn coach he played for and start learning how to really make adjustments in-game QUICK because right now, I see no feel for the game as a championship coach.

[DarkXaero]

In regards to the depth discussion, we have depth, it's just that it is stacked in the same positions. Bruce Brown, Landry Shamet, Tyler Johnson are all capable of playing backup SG adequately, but they're all competing for the same minutes so it has to be a choice. Meanwhile, guys like TLC and Reggie Perry have no real competition as DJ & Jeff Green are starting. Theoretically, we could run a 3 guard lineup off the bench (say Harden/Brown/Shamet) but the problem is that we're already playing small off bench with TLC & Perry at 4/5. Once the 4/5 depth are addressed, things will look a lot better with bench, but regardless, the bench unit severely underperformed last night, and it shouldn't be that bad again.

I think it's coaching more than personnel, how Nash is utilizing the tools at his disposal.

Main problem: he has GOT to coach someone up to be the backup PG, and run the 2nd unit. It's cute to have TLC bring it up a few possessions, she we played with Green and Prince in that role earlier in the season. But it's clear that no one has earned Steve's trust as THE bench floor general. Everyone is in charge and no one is in charge.

I think it should be Tyler Johnson, with Shamet and Harris flanking him. Brown needs to start in order for us to keep dribble drive from ripping our 1st unit apart. I understated COVID protocol probably delayed this development, but he was an healthy DNP-CD last night, and our bench killed us because they had no one to lead them and run sets. For an Hall of Fame PG (and the whole staff is full of former PG's), this oversight is unfathomable.

Can't say I agree with that "main problem". We have Harden running the 2nd unit, you can't ask for anything better. There's no excuse ever for TLC to bring up the ball or for bench guys to take terrible shots in disjointed offensive possessions, but that's down to lack of practice and how much offense has been implemented. We're improvising a lot and it's clear to see. We'll look a lot better later in the season.

[MrDollarBills]

I think it's coaching more than personnel, how Nash is utilizing the tools at his disposal.

Main problem: he has GOT to coach someone up to be the backup PG, and run the 2nd unit. It's cute to have TLC bring it up a few possessions, she we played with Green and Prince in that role earlier in the season. But it's clear that no one has earned Steve's trust as THE bench floor general. Everyone is in charge and no one is in charge.

I think it should be Tyler Johnson, with Shamet and Harris flanking him. Brown needs to start in order for us to keep dribble drive from ripping our 1st unit apart. I understated COVID protocol probably delayed this development, but he was an healthy DNP-CD last night, and our bench killed us because they had no one to lead them and run sets. For an Hall of Fame PG (and the whole staff is full of former PG's), this oversight is unfathomable.

I agree with you to a point, I don't think that Nash trusts any of the players on the bench. The guys logging 25+ mins he trusts. Everyone else? LOL.

That says to me it's more of a personnel problem than a coaching problem per say. Nash isn't stupid. He's a HOFer that has been in the trenches. He knows what it takes to win. He sees guys like TLC, Chiozza, Shamet, Johnson, Perry, and Brown and he knows that they aren't going to cut it. Lets be real.

This isn't like how it was over the last few years where we could let guys play through it and develop. The team has championship aspirations. How long is anyone willing to wait for Shamet's jumper to start falling, or for TLC to stop playing like a moron? No one has time for any of this **** man. We need veteran rotational pieces that are proven and reliable.

Sean Marks has to make some moves here to get at least 3 more rotational players on this roster. The days of relying on bargain bin level NBA players are over. No one has time to coach these guys up, if we did Kenny would be still here and we wouldn't be sending out multiple 1st rounders to field a roster with 3 top 15 NBA players.

There is still no excuse not to throw in Tyler Johnson or Brown in spurt minutes. These guys aren’t scrubs. They have proven to be productive when given consistent minutes.

TJ missed time due to Covid just like KD. Not playing him because he wants to overuse his new toy in Harden isn’t professionally smart coaching.

He went from “experimenting” quotes to “Hi, I’m Steve Thibs Nash” playing guys ridiculous minutes to save a win because he’s too green to make proper adjustments without relying on KD or James.

He’s not absolutely terrible but he has made some pretty egregious rookie mistakes that has cost us wins. This has happened BEFORE Harden. I’ve seen this man forget Jarrett Allen existed in Memphis two weeks ago during a game where we got pounded on the glass before bringing him back in the game at 2 minute mark. Game was already lost with Caris putting up 43.

So, Caris puts up 43, Allen 12/6/6, Prince with 16 Pts and we lost WITH depth. Nets lose to Cleveland with KD’s 40, Kyrie’s 37 and James putting up a 20 point triple double. Same damn thing.

Steve needs to call every damn coach he played for and start learning how to really make adjustments in-game QUICK because right now, I see no feel for the game as a championship coach.

I dunno man I can't really blame Nash for not trusting any of these dudes.

What have they really shown us?

I like Bruce Brown a lot but he can't shoot consistently so that really kills his effectiveness overall.

Johnson...i mean you guys call him Meth Curry...that's not flattering, nevermind the fact that he is basically a fringe player.

If it was up to me, I'd give them a shot but lets be real this is now high stakes NBA basketball with 3 superstar level players on the team. the best of the best. you have to surround these guys with a certain type of talent or things are going to go south when they continuously mess up, don't hit shots, are always out of position, or display low IQ tendencies.

We don't have time to sit here and dick around with Sean Marks' reclamation projects. That time ended a year and half ago. These guys are G League level players. we need guys like Jeff Green, Joe Harris. Guys that do their jobs. period.

[TheNetsFan]

I don't understand why we're trying to play big with limited big depth. I hope it's not a FOK decision. Green and Jordan should not start or play much together. Give Brown or Harris run with the starters.

I'd rather see us go very small with Harden as a PF and KD as a C then continue to see the big, slow lineup.

[Khashbaatar]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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[Paradise]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Why?

He played Monday and Wednesday. Sitting out for tonight is for the purpose of tomorrow.

[MrDollarBills]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Malika's wording of this tweet makes it seem like Kevin is hurt when this is just sensible load management after Nash ran him into the ground the other night.

This is good, it gives Kyrie and The Beard some work together for chemistry. KD and Beard already have their chemistry on lock, we need to get more reps for Kyrie off the ball with James.

[Khashbaatar]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Why?

He played Monday and Wednesday. Sitting out for tonight is for the purpose of tomorrow.

Mostly for building chemistry between Kai and Beard. KD will fit seamlessly.
Also the physical strain imposed by playing 50 min on the injury recovering body is no joke. I don't want him to play unless there is 0 risk of reinjury.

[Prokorov]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Why?

He played Monday and Wednesday. Sitting out for tonight is for the purpose of tomorrow.

he played like 50 minutes. and in general has had a large load. it makes sense to schedule rest days. we need him healthy for the playoffs, not meaningless RS games

[MGrand15]

Can't believe we have people defending the minutes by Nash. The health of our stars is the most important thing for us this regular season. If Durant gets hurt in February - we're screwed. If we run our stars to the ground, we're screwed. If we only trust 5 or 6 guys on the team, we're screwed.

And I guess we've quickly jumped onto the national narrative that we have no depth. Brown was a starter last year and has helped win us games whenever he sees time. TLC was productive for us last year. Shamet averaged 27 MPG on a top 3 team last year. All of a sudden these guys aren't good enough to even see the floor against Cleveland in a mid-January game?

I wasn't expecting Kenny style 11 man rotations but I thought Nash would have more of a Kerr-like philosophy with the team. Where every player matters. It seems that he's been influenced hard by MDA (or his own playing days). Going with short rotations and not worrying about the confidence of role players.

[MrDollarBills]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Why?

He played Monday and Wednesday. Sitting out for tonight is for the purpose of tomorrow.

he played like 50 minutes. and in general has had a large load. it makes sense to schedule rest days. we need him healthy for the playoffs, not meaningless RS games

Yep. I sit him both nights. Kyrie and The Beard need the reps.

[Prokorov]

Good decision. I want him to sit out Miami too

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Malika's wording of this tweet makes it seem like Kevin is hurt when this is just sensible load management after Nash ran him into the ground the other night.

This is good, it gives Kyrie and The Beard some work together for chemistry. KD and Beard already have their chemistry on lock, we need to get more reps for Kyrie off the ball with James.

Yeah this is just fodder for click bait.