2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[tiderulz]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

If you're lucky enough to have a great player at any position, you're good. Look at Denver...Jokic makes them go. Philly...on the other hand, watch POR without Nurkic and two superstar guys with identical skills, size, position play. What is Giannis' position? (doesn't matter, he just dominates). Is Lebron a PG or a wing?

You could make an argument for the value of scoring PG in today's NBA (but MIL, LAL, LAC have all lacked that player)... as always, talent wins.

ehh, Jokic has been good for years, but it has been the recent evolution of Murray that has spurred them to achieve more. Similar with Utah. Gobert had been there, but then Mitchell got there and they took a step forward.

[Skybox]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

If you're lucky enough to have a great player at any position, you're good. Look at Denver...Jokic makes them go. Philly...on the other hand, watch POR without Nurkic and two superstar guys with identical skills, size, position play. What is Giannis' position? (doesn't matter, he just dominates). Is Lebron a PG or a wing?

You could make an argument for the value of scoring PG in today's NBA (but MIL, LAL, LAC have all lacked that player)... as always, talent wins.

ehh, Jokic has been good for years, but it has been the recent evolution of Murray that has spurred them to achieve more. Similar with Utah. Gobert had been there, but then Mitchell got there and they took a step forward.

2 good guys takes you a lot further than one good guy....frustrating to hear Vuc blamed for ORL's mediocrity. Backhanded compliment is that he has singlehandedly taken us out of the top picks...Add a Donovan Mitchell (and our roster of supporting players) and we're quite relevant-certainly on par with Utah

[PrimeThyme]

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I have some interest. He's only 20 with a pretty intriguing skillset, though his numbers from last year are a bit rough. He definitely seems to have some growing up to do, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take. Especially if we could include maybe Fournier and a second-rounder in a trade.

Quickly playing around with the trade machine doesn't make it exactly an easy one to execute. Fournier, Aminu, and a second for Porter Jr./Drummond works. They have a gluttony of bigs and just traded for Allen who needs PT.

We'd obviously buyout Drummond in that scenario.

[BDill012]

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I have some interest. He's only 20 with a pretty intriguing skillset, though his numbers from last year are a bit rough. He definitely seems to have some growing up to do, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take. Especially if we could include maybe Fournier and a second-rounder in a trade.

Quickly playing around with the trade machine doesn't make it exactly an easy one to execute. Fournier, Aminu, and a second for Porter Jr./Drummond works. They have a gluttony of bigs and just traded for Allen who needs PT.

We'd obviously buyout Drummond in that scenario.

I saw this an wondered if there would be a way to trade for him without it being Fournier.

Is there something that could include the injury exception and something/anything else?

Would be nice to try to utilize Fournier for another deal.

[tiderulz]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

If you're lucky enough to have a great player at any position, you're good. Look at Denver...Jokic makes them go. Philly...on the other hand, watch POR without Nurkic and two superstar guys with identical skills, size, position play. What is Giannis' position? (doesn't matter, he just dominates). Is Lebron a PG or a wing?

You could make an argument for the value of scoring PG in today's NBA (but MIL, LAL, LAC have all lacked that player)... as always, talent wins.

ehh, Jokic has been good for years, but it has been the recent evolution of Murray that has spurred them to achieve more. Similar with Utah. Gobert had been there, but then Mitchell got there and they took a step forward.

2 good guys takes you a lot further than one good guy....frustrating to hear Vuc blamed for ORL's mediocrity. Backhanded compliment is that he has singlehandedly taken us out of the top picks...Add a Donovan Mitchell (and our roster of supporting players) and we're quite relevant-certainly on par with Utah

again, i am not calling Vuc a bad player. im saying almost all the recent winners used defensive/journeymen at center. The position is not as required as it once was, its now a wing league.

[tiderulz]

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I have some interest. He's only 20 with a pretty intriguing skillset, though his numbers from last year are a bit rough. He definitely seems to have some growing up to do, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take. Especially if we could include maybe Fournier and a second-rounder in a trade.

Quickly playing around with the trade machine doesn't make it exactly an easy one to execute. Fournier, Aminu, and a second for Porter Jr./Drummond works. They have a gluttony of bigs and just traded for Allen who needs PT.

We'd obviously buyout Drummond in that scenario.

dude is a walking disaster. midnight crash with weed and loaded gun in car. yelling at the coaching staff instead of sucking it up and getting back with the team.

[drsd]

I get that and we’ll never fully pull away from the others but we’ll be a bottom 5 team when it’s all said and done if we don’t make moves IMO. We do need to trade Evan to solidify that.

Washington is terrible because of their PG: Wetbrook has a PER of 13 with his triple double. He exists only to sell tickets, and not to win games.

Beal must be out of his mind. A fire sale should be coming. Perhaps Gordon, Fournier and a couple firsts and a couple FRP-swaps could get Beal. Heck even adding Okeke as a young asset could be something to consider.

Fultz/Beal/player-X/Isaac/Vučević is towards a competent roster moving forward.

[Skybox]

I get that and we’ll never fully pull away from the others but we’ll be a bottom 5 team when it’s all said and done if we don’t make moves IMO. We do need to trade Evan to solidify that.

Washington is terrible because of their PG: Wetbrook has a PER of 13 with his triple double. He exists only to sell tickets, and not to win games.

Beal must be out of his mind. A fire sale should be coming. Perhaps Gordon, Fournier and a couple firsts and a couple FRP-swaps could get Beal. Heck even adding Okeke as a young asset could be something to consider.

Fultz/Beal/player-X/Isaac/Vučević is towards a competent roster moving forward.

Sounds great but, IMO, Beal would have to embrace the move (not saying he wouldn't)...worst scenario is going all in and then having the object of your affection casually say 'I really want to go to MIA' as soon as the dust settles. I like your framework but they spent their last two high draft picks on guys at Okeke's position. Perhaps Bamba and/or Cole would appeal to them more. I like our young guys but as long as I came out of it with Vuc, Isaac, and a star backcourt guy...I'm feeling good.

[Hogified05]

Beal would be ideal but that has next to no chance of happening. I keep hoping Denver under performs and Porter starts getting unhappy being the 3rd fiddle. Have to work out the salaries but Gordon for Porter makes so much sense for both player and both team. I'll beat the drum until somehow I make it happen lol.

Gordon would know his role behind Murray and Jokic, give them added defense and a body to throw at Bron. I think Gordon would thrive not being asked to score, be their more athletic Draymond. Porter gets cut loose in Orlando and becomes the wing scorer we desperately need. Isaac protects against his defensive liabilities and Fultz will get him the ball.

All a pipe dream but man I think both teams and players would love it.

[pepe1991]

Beal would be ideal but that has next to no chance of happening. I keep hoping Denver under performs and Porter starts getting unhappy being the 3rd fiddle. Have to work out the salaries but Gordon for Porter makes so much sense for both player and both team. I'll beat the drum until somehow I make it happen lol.

Gordon would know his role behind Murray and Jokic, give them added defense and a body to throw at Bron. I think Gordon would thrive not being asked to score, be their more athletic Draymond. Porter gets cut loose in Orlando and becomes the wing scorer we desperately need. Isaac protects against his defensive liabilities and Fultz will get him the ball.

All a pipe dream but man I think both teams and players would love it.

Porter is already better than Gordon and they can control his salary for next 6 years.
Gordon will leave Magic and Nuggets for some Clippers, Lakers, Kings, Warriors -California based team no matter what.

Probably one of key reasons why nobody offers anything major for Gordon, other than him not being really great at anything, is because they don't think he'll resign with them...

[Bensational]

BOS
in: Gordon + Bledsoe + JJ
out: Kemba + G. Williams + Semi

NOP
in: Kemba + Fournier
out: Bledsoe + NAW + Lonzo + JJ

DET
in: Lonzo + Semi
out: Bey + Rose

ORL
in: NAW + Bey + Williams + Rose
out: Gordon + Fournier

Vuc/Bamba
Williams/Chuma
Bey/MCW/Bacon
NAW/Ross
Cole/Rose

[pepe1991]

BOS
in: Gordon + Bledsoe + JJ
out: Kemba + G. Williams + Semi

NOP
in: Kemba + Fournier
out: Bledsoe + NAW + Lonzo + JJ

DET
in: Lonzo + Semi
out: Bey + Rose

ORL
in: NAW + Bey + Williams + Rose
out: Gordon + Fournier

Vuc/Bamba
Williams/Chuma
Bey/MCW/Bacon
NAW/Ross
Cole/Rose

I like this

[Skybox]

I like that trade above...two legit prospects in, one shooter off the bench and a place holder vet PG.

I just posted..https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7385305

ORL summary...OUT: Gordon to MIN, Bamba & Fournier to NOLA
IN: NAW, Culver, Jaxson Hayes, J. Hernangomez, Bledsoe (flip to a contender cheap or keep), Jaden McDaniels

Next year: Fultz/Cole/MCW
NAW/Culver/Bacon
McDaniels/TRoss
Isaac/Okeke/Hernangomez
Vucevic/Hayes/Birch

*ALSO, assume a high pick in a solid draft - NOT a center
*This lineup assumes we moved off of Bledsoe (for anything fiscally better) but keeping him wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Try to move Aminu for anything. Ennis, Clark, whatever.

[drsd]

With the Kings looking to unload Bjelica, he is a clear upgrade over Bacon and Ennis as a starter.

So: Aminu and a lottery protected FRP. Orlando gets more free-agent space next off-season by getting Aminu off of the books, and gets Bjelica for a good playoff run this year.

[Xatticus]

With the Kings looking to unload Bjelica, he is a clear upgrade over Bacon and Ennis as a starter.

So: Aminu and a lottery protected FRP. Orlando gets more free-agent space next off-season by getting Aminu off of the books, and gets Bjelica for a good playoff run this year.

This doesn't work for pretty much every reason one could think of. He isn't a wing. He played himself out of Sacramento's rotation. The Magic can't afford his salary.

Bjelica is just a stretch big. Those aren't really valuable unless they can provide some help at the defensive end. He can't. He is 33 years old and on his way out of the league. I don't even know why this was newsworthy. It's like... Magic consider trading Speights. Why would anyone care?

We can't expect a little tinkering to fix this engine. This engine needs to be scrapped and sold for parts.

[Skybox]

With the Kings looking to unload Bjelica, he is a clear upgrade over Bacon and Ennis as a starter.

So: Aminu and a lottery protected FRP. Orlando gets more free-agent space next off-season by getting Aminu off of the books, and gets Bjelica for a good playoff run this year.

This doesn't work for pretty much every reason one could think of. He isn't a wing. He played himself out of Sacramento's rotation. The Magic can't afford his salary.

Bjelica is just a stretch big. Those aren't really valuable unless they can provide some help at the defensive end. He can't. He is 33 years old and on his way out of the league. I don't even know why this was newsworthy. It's like... Magic consider trading Speights. Why would anyone care?

We can't expect a little tinkering to fix this engine. This engine needs to be scrapped and sold for parts.

I would pull the trigger in a second...just for the financial flexibility of an expiring vs. Aminu - tinkering with small parts is not what we need. Cap space, prospects, picks OR immediate significant improvement.

[j-ragg]

I’d be irate if we traded a first for Bjelica, the opposite type of trade that we need imo.

[thelead]

I’d be irate if we traded a first for Bjelica, the opposite type of trade that we need imo.

Agreed. It’s similar to trading Tobias for Jennings and Ilyasova.

[drsd]

With the Kings looking to unload Bjelica, he is a clear upgrade over Bacon and Ennis as a starter.

So: Aminu and a lottery protected FRP. Orlando gets more free-agent space next off-season by getting Aminu off of the books, and gets Bjelica for a good playoff run this year.

This doesn't work for pretty much every reason one could think of. He isn't a wing. He played himself out of Sacramento's rotation. The Magic can't afford his salary.

Bjelica is just a stretch big. Those aren't really valuable unless they can provide some help at the defensive end. He can't. He is 33 years old and on his way out of the league. I don't even know why this was newsworthy. It's like... Magic consider trading Speights. Why would anyone care?

We can't expect a little tinkering to fix this engine. This engine needs to be scrapped and sold for parts.

I would pull the trigger in a second...just for the financial flexibility of an expiring vs. Aminu - tinkering with small parts is not what we need. Cap space, prospects, picks OR immediate significant improvement.

I would assume Bjelica would start at PF with Gordon at SF. Adding Anthony, Fournier and Vučević to round out the starting five.

My point was that this would get Bacon and Ennis from starting considerations, and that helps the starters and bench depth.

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[drsd]

I’d be irate if we traded a first for Bjelica, the opposite type of trade that we need imo.

That's what dumping Aminu will cost, a lottery-protected first.


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