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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#561 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:02 pm

Norseman79 wrote:This is what sucks about no combine and no tourney last year.....one, we were told he grew to 6'6...that's a lie, two we were told about this insane wingspan and explosiveness....that hasn't shown up at all yet...we were fed propaganda and bought in.
He should be destroying rims and people every game but goes soft/finesse.

I have seen enough, I am willing to move on.

He might turn into a nice player, but he will never be what we needed him to be.

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I agree with most of this. If your choice is to move him, then I guess we go back to how they started the season letting him initiate offense. I think that was the initial plan but apparently they didn't get offers they wanted. Might as well start him as a Harden Point Guard. I mean if they are going to purposely lose like last night anyway. Bench all our PGs. Let him get his 38 minutes of running point, chucking enough to get the score total up. Get that rookie "flash" bs hype where they won't label him a chucker yet and just hype his future. Then immediately sell high because when he's playing the same way come season two his value will drop regardless of his score average.

If they are planning to keep him, then continue to slow roll him maybe less than they even currently are.
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Post#562 » by shrink » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:09 pm

While this isn’t uncommon for rookies, Anthony Edwards is statistically the worst player in the NBA right now.

Last in Win Shares, last in BPM, last in VORP

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#563 » by packforfreedom » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:33 pm

How many worst NBA players did become allstars later in their careers?

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Post#564 » by Andri » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:39 pm

That's what happens when you put this kind of rookie, a very young and raw one with full of potential, in a lousy organization...
He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#565 » by Jedzz » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:21 pm

shrink wrote:While this isn’t uncommon for rookies, Anthony Edwards is statistically the worst player in the NBA right now.

Last in Win Shares, last in BPM, last in VORP

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html


packforfreedom wrote:How many worst NBA players did become allstars later in their careers?

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idk but:

Kobe 1996-97 (15mins/g - 3 starts)
Win Shares/48: .079
BPM: -0.1
VORP: 0.5
TS% .544

Harden 2009-10 ( 22 mins/g - 0 starts)
Win Shares/48: .124
BPM: 0.5
VORP: 1.1
TS% .551

Edwards 2021 (25 mins/g - 0 starts//only 13 games in)
Win Shares/48: -.090
BPM: -8.9
VORP: -0.6
TS% .439

He's got major waking up to do yet. But he's gotten more minutes than these others as rooks and maybe it's been too many.
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Post#566 » by Rookie-Mistake » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:36 pm

Yep.

He needs to be benched and minutes to be earned.

Rewarding mediocrity has to be the ultimate setup of failure a manager can do.

If he was pick 59, he wouldn't be getting the same opportunities. The same goes with Culver. No minutes for him until he can learn how to shoot free throws.

What a managerial disaster we are at the moment. To much analytics. To much potential. How about getting players in that have a base of fundamental sound basketball skills. It infuriates me that were drafting guys this high that don't have basic basketball skills. This is on Rosas and his analytics team.

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shrink wrote:While this isn’t uncommon for rookies, Anthony Edwards is statistically the worst player in the NBA right now.

Last in Win Shares, last in BPM, last in VORP

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html


packforfreedom wrote:How many worst NBA players did become allstars later in their careers?

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idk but:

Kobe 1996-97 (15mins/g - 3 starts)
Win Shares/48: .079
BPM: -0.1
VORP: 0.5
TS% .544

Harden 2009-10 ( 22 mins/g - 0 starts)
Win Shares/48: .124
BPM: 0.5
VORP: 1.1
TS% .551

Edwards 2021 (25 mins/g - 0 starts//only 13 games in)
Win Shares/48: -.090
BPM: -8.9
VORP: -0.6
TS% .439

He's got major waking up to do yet. But he's gotten more minutes than these others as rooks and maybe it's been too many.


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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#567 » by Krapinsky » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:24 am

shrink wrote:While this isn’t uncommon for rookies, Anthony Edwards is statistically the worst player in the NBA right now.

Last in Win Shares, last in BPM, last in VORP

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html


I quite literally lol'd when I read this.

On the brightside, Culver isn't #2.
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#568 » by Domejandro » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:40 am

He has a chance to be a good player given his athleticism, but he is definitely really struggling this season.
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Post#569 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:02 am

He’s making Anthony Bennett look like Karl Malone.


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Post#570 » by TheProdigy » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:40 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:I'm waiting for just a bit larger sample size of Edwards playing amazingly to post a collection of quotes of Edwards doubters pre- and post-draft. Some crow is due to be eaten.

Will we be seeing this collection of quotes anytime soon? :lol:
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#571 » by theGreatRC » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:11 am

Jedzz wrote:
shrink wrote:While this isn’t uncommon for rookies, Anthony Edwards is statistically the worst player in the NBA right now.

Last in Win Shares, last in BPM, last in VORP

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html


packforfreedom wrote:How many worst NBA players did become allstars later in their careers?

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idk but:

Kobe 1996-97 (15mins/g - 3 starts)
Win Shares/48: .079
BPM: -0.1
VORP: 0.5
TS% .544

Harden 2009-10 ( 22 mins/g - 0 starts)
Win Shares/48: .124
BPM: 0.5
VORP: 1.1
TS% .551

Edwards 2021 (25 mins/g - 0 starts//only 13 games in)
Win Shares/48: -.090
BPM: -8.9
VORP: -0.6
TS% .439

He's got major waking up to do yet. But he's gotten more minutes than these others as rooks and maybe it's been too many.


Most recent example is Sexton..dude was last on the list as well his rookie year and he is the leading MIP candidate this year. It all depends on the player's will to work hard and learn and humble themself.
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Post#572 » by gorz » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:02 am

packforfreedom wrote:it's really frustrating to watch him lately. In his first games, I was super excited when he had the ball and now I just think 'oh no'.



What happened to edwards since that time? Hes lost all swagger/confidence in his ability. Dude is extremely talented but hes playing like he somehow forgot how to play basketball.
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Post#573 » by Wolveswin » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:09 am

Sad times to be a Wolves fan.

#1 overall is wishful thinking Anthony Bennett.

2021 tank 1st at great risk of not being own.

Towns/lone real NBA player in COVID protocols.

Head coach needs to be fired.

GM needs to be replaced.

Franchise for sale.

Oh and I forgot to mention last years #6 overall looks G league, Russell is negative value to move, and Wolves shining player so far this year not named injured/sick Towns, is a legal misfit person not realizing the gift he has to play NBA basketball for life’s calling.
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#574 » by Foye » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 am

gorz wrote:
packforfreedom wrote:it's really frustrating to watch him lately. In his first games, I was super excited when he had the ball and now I just think 'oh no'.


What happened to edwards since that time? Hes lost all swagger/confidence in his ability. Dude is extremely talented but hes playing like he somehow forgot how to play basketball.


He is just not very good at basketball.
Additional information needed? His college stats and winning record.

This is the same situation as with Fultz. Overhyped due to his inefficient numbers for a bad college team. Only that Fultz had additional health issues.
Even with those...Fultz provided more on the court than Edwards, though, lol.
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#575 » by John Murdoch » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:03 pm

What was the resistance to taking Ball? IK Wiseman said he didnt want to compete with Kat for minutes but what was the story about Lamelo?
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#576 » by FinnTheHuman » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:10 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:I'm waiting for just a bit larger sample size of Edwards playing amazingly to post a collection of quotes of Edwards doubters pre- and post-draft. Some crow is due to be eaten.

Will we be seeing this collection of quotes anytime soon? :lol:


I'll concede that he didn't look productive lately, but I still see myself making that collection of quotes in the future for the doubters' crow-eating purposes.

I'm still positive he's gonna be the best player of this draft, to me he looks like his future is bright whenever he's on the court, despite the box score stats, and he shouldn't take flak for Ryan and his coaching nor Rosas and his Frankenstein roster nor the overall depressive state of the franchise.

If anyone can tell me what exactly about his game looks bad except missing a lot of shots, I'm listening. Because from what I see, the only 2 bad things about him are he's missing a lot of shots, and he's making rookie mistakes on the defensive end.

He's explosive on drives but runs onto an interior defender and isn't always sure what to do, so he makes mistakes there, but he gets to the paint at will because of his explosiveness so that's great. And then he tries to finesse the interior defender, so he's exploring how to score on big guys, in which he doesn't succeed most of the time right now, but he has all the tools to get there. A lot of his woes in those situations have to do with nobody providing a serious threat so that Ant could have more space inside.

His jumper looks good, his ft% is good, he just tries these tough shots off the dribble because our offense is awful so he attempts to score from isolation. Misses a lot of shots that way, but it's good he's getting that experience too imo.

Defense, well, our defense is just crap and you can't expect a rookie to be good at it, but he's shown glimpses of great 1 on 1 defense, and I think he's smart enough to be a good help defender, just needs time.

If KAT was playing and Edwards was in a lineup with KAT to benefit off of KAT's gravity, I'm sure Edwards would have a lot more makes and a lot less misses than he does right now.
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Post#577 » by TwolvesFanRome » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:35 pm

His % are horrific night after night...

We are a cursed team...every draft we commit an error...thinking about Curry...Jokic...and more else...

Just when we drafted Towns and Lavine we pick well...

In the year we got the #1 there is a real poor draft...maybe the worst in the last 20 years...

In every aspect seems to me we are cursed...

I am very tired of this s**t...
And I am a Wolves since 1996...

I can t see a future...
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#578 » by shrink » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:22 pm

John Murdoch wrote:What was the resistance to taking Ball? IK Wiseman said he didnt want to compete with Kat for minutes but what was the story about Lamelo?

There were rumblings that Rosas didn’t want to risk pissing off Russell by drafting a guy that could eventually play PG in front of him.
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Re: Official Anthony Edwards Thread 

Post#579 » by shrink » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:30 pm

To be clear, Edwards has been bad, but almost all rookies that get a lot of playing time are bad. Last year, four of the worst players in the NBA included Garland, DeAndre Hunter, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish, and they were all worse than Culver. This year, who knows?

It’s too early to call Edwards a bad pick. It’s only been a dozen games of his rookie season. But I want to see more flashes of brilliance, because his recent play me worried. This franchise can’t afford a whiff on this pick.
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Post#580 » by wolves_89 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:29 pm

I'd be less concerned about Edwards if he was showing that he could do something other than scoring to help the team. Unfortunately, the other aspects of his game have been trending in the wrong direction. If I had one suggestion for Edwards it would be to focus almost completely on defense and rebounding, if he could establish himself as even an average defender and rebounder it would make a huge difference.

My suggestion is to send Edwards to the G-League for the next 3 weeks. He would get another week of "training camp" and then could play games against lesser competition to try to figure out how he can be successful.

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