Fake Trade Thread #3

Soul Rebel · Post #821 » by **Soul Rebel** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:35 pm

Gotta admit, watching Lavine last night reeeeeally made me want to acquire him. Doubt it's even on our radar before a center, but man.... he and LaMelo would be a devastating backcourt.

amcoolio · Post #822 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:40 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:Gotta admit, watching Lavine last night reeeeeally made me want to acquire him. Doubt it's even on our radar before a center, but man.... he and LaMelo would be a devastating backcourt.

Would love a Ball/Lavine/Hayward backcourt, however the Bulls are playing well and probably overvalue him and won't trade him

Maybe we can pawn off Devonte on them after his big game for a big

SMTBSI · Post #823 » by **SMTBSI** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:39 am

I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

Post #824 » by **Diop** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:33 am

We had our chance to trade for Lavine a couple of years ago. I remember putting a suggestion and getting mocked for falling for his “empty stats”

But he was good last year and would be hard to get now

HornetJail · Post #825 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:03 pm

SMTBSI wrote:I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

He definitely has value now. I'd still be wiling to part with him if we got an asset though, as I don't think we're all that close to being a playoff team. Someone like Time Lord would be real nice for us

JMAC3 · Post #826 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:56 pm

SMTBSI wrote:I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

Probably would cost you extra after you were unwilling to take him/offer enough during the Hayward discussions. Now we are stuck with the 9 Million dead cap money for next few years so I really do not see this trade going down unless Boston has significantly raised their offer for him.

SMTBSI · Post #827 » by **SMTBSI** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:01 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

Probably would cost you extra after you were unwilling to take him/offer enough during the Hayward discussions. Now we are stuck with the 9 Million dead cap money for next few years so I really do not see this trade going down unless Boston has significantly raised their offer for him.

I don't do that "we're the Real GMs and let's pretend to play hardball with each other" stuff. All indications are our FOs have a solid working relationship.

Anyway, haven't seen any indication anyone but me and a couple others actually wants Rozier, sadly. Was just curious what you guys thought of him these days.

Post #828 » by **Diop** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:38 pm

SMTBSI wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

Probably would cost you extra after you were unwilling to take him/offer enough during the Hayward discussions. Now we are stuck with the 9 Million dead cap money for next few years so I really do not see this trade going down unless Boston has significantly raised their offer for him.

I don't do that "we're the Real GMs and let's pretend to play hardball with each other" stuff. All indications are our FOs have a solid working relationship.

Anyway, haven't seen any indication anyone but me and a couple others actually wants Rozier, sadly. Was just curious what you guys thought of him these days.

I think Charlotte value Rozier quite highly and didn't want to include him in the deal. He's been a great catch n shoot guard

JMAC3 · Post #829 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:57 pm

SMTBSI wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:I'm a member of a very small contingent of Celtics fans who's hankering for Rozier Round two. What're you all thinking about him these days? Keeper or no? How do you peg his value? What sort of things would you be looking to accomplish if trading him?

Probably would cost you extra after you were unwilling to take him/offer enough during the Hayward discussions. Now we are stuck with the 9 Million dead cap money for next few years so I really do not see this trade going down unless Boston has significantly raised their offer for him.

I don't do that "we're the Real GMs and let's pretend to play hardball with each other" stuff. All indications are our FOs have a solid working relationship.

Anyway, haven't seen any indication anyone but me and a couple others actually wants Rozier, sadly. Was just curious what you guys thought of him these days.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't do business with the Celtics, but to me the time to deal Rozier to Celtics was before the season because that would of saved us a bunch of future salary. Does not make sense to double back and come out worse this time around.

As far as Terry goes, I think he is really good and his contract is pretty fair both in terms of length and amount. I would need more than just a late first rounder to part with him. Believe that long-term there is a chance him and LaMelo make sense together in the backcourt.

SMTBSI · Post #830 » by **SMTBSI** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:24 am

Diop wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Probably would cost you extra after you were unwilling to take him/offer enough during the Hayward discussions. Now we are stuck with the 9 Million dead cap money for next few years so I really do not see this trade going down unless Boston has significantly raised their offer for him.

I don't do that "we're the Real GMs and let's pretend to play hardball with each other" stuff. All indications are our FOs have a solid working relationship.

Anyway, haven't seen any indication anyone but me and a couple others actually wants Rozier, sadly. Was just curious what you guys thought of him these days.

I think Charlotte value Rozier quite highly and didn't want to include him in the deal. He's been a great catch n shoot guard

Yeah, I didn't remember hearing any bread crumbs that he was being talked about at the time either. Nothing I saw gave me the impression you were seriously trying to move him as a resolution to the Batum thing. I don't think it's that we were "unwilling" to take him. I just don't think he was really in the discussion.

JMAC3 wrote:I'm not saying that I wouldn't do business with the Celtics, but to me the time to deal Rozier to Celtics was before the season because that would of saved us a bunch of future salary. Does not make sense to double back and come out worse this time around.

Thought perhaps certain thoughtlines might have shifted based on what we've seen over the first 15 games, but, I'm probably being uncharitable. It's still very early. You're only 2.5 games behind us, so it's not like we're fully in it and you're fully out of it. Either way, I'm a big proponent of forgetting about sunk costs and getting on with life. Once we lost Hayward, the cost was sunk, and we negotiated dispassionately from there for the TPE. Similarly, the cost of waiving Batum is sunk. I doubt it will have any bearing on future negotiations, if there ever are any.

JMAC3 wrote:As far as Terry goes, I think he is really good and his contract is pretty fair both in terms of length and amount. I would need more than just a late first rounder to part with him. Believe that long-term there is a chance him and LaMelo make sense together in the backcourt.

Thanks, that's the kind of feedback I was looking for. Most Celtic fans are not with me on wanting him back. Our fanbase seems to have a lower opinion of him than yours. We seem to only remember the bad times and forget that players can grow.

How much more than a late 1st are we talking? BOS '21 1st seems like the obvious lowball opening offer. What would you counter?

Braggins · Post #831 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:45 am

Someone threw out the idea of Graham for Zubac somewhere. Thats pretty intriguing imo.

Braggins · Post #832 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:47 am

Braggins wrote:Someone threw out the idea of Graham for Zubac somewhere. Thats pretty intriguing imo.

Any chance the Clippers would accept something like Graham + Biz + a 2nd rounder or two for Zubac?

JMAC3 · Post #833 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:34 pm

Braggins wrote:
Braggins wrote:Someone threw out the idea of Graham for Zubac somewhere. Thats pretty intriguing imo.

Any chance the Clippers would accept something like Graham + Biz + a 2nd rounder or two for Zubac?

The main issue with the trade are Clippers lack big man depth. It is basically Ibaka and Zubac at Center. Then Zubac is under team control for basically a 3/21 over the next three years so his contract is pretty nice asset. Graham is probably the better player, but not sure the Clippers are looking for another guard.

Also from Hornets side of things, I would prefer to keep Graham unless he is part of a much bigger deal.

JMAC3 · Post #834 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:27 pm

https://tradenba.com/trades/93Yr1KW6R

What do you guys think of this? We give up a high volume of guys, but it allows us to see what Drummond looks like for the remainder of the year before trying to sign him in Free Agency.

JMAC3 · Post #835 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:45 pm

Nurkic is out 8 weeks.

These numbers don't work, so maybe a third team, but I wonder if Miles and Zeller would be an interesting offer for him.

Soul Rebel · Post #836 » by **Soul Rebel** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:42 pm

If your Mitch, who are you looking to trade this year:

- Graham as an expiring, possible rental
- Terry with 1 more year after this year at $18M

One has to have their role reduced and I worry Graham will want too much in FA....as per usual, we lose another asset for nothing. Terry looks like a better partner for LaMelo, but Graham's ceiling is probably higher.

Post #837 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:45 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:If your Mitch, who are you looking to trade this year:

- Graham as an expiring, possible rental
- Terry with 1 more year after this year at $18M

One has to have their role reduced and I worry Graham will want too much in FA....as per usual, we lose another asset for nothing. Terry looks like a better partner for LaMelo, but Graham's ceiling is probably higher.

Tae.

DY_nasty · Post #838 » by **DY_nasty** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:46 pm

this year? probably graham

but both could easily be gone

Liver_Pooty · Post #839 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:46 pm

Is Graham really that big of an asset? I'm sure teams aren't banging the door down for a guy who shoots 33%

Rays Pompadour · Post #840 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:35 pm

New Orleans open for business. I could be talked into a JJ-Miles and whatever swap. He's old, but so, so skilled.