The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[HeadtopChunes]

Nix being ranked as low as he is doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the G-League will expose him, but at this point I think he's a lotto talent.

Vecenie says that hes been awful in the Ignite so far

They haven't played a game yet.

They’ve had 2 scrimmages vs gleaguers though, and he did not look good. Which is why he fell in mocks

[JShuttlesworth]

We'll get to stack rank Green / Kuminga / Nix pretty easily once the bubble starts, seeing as all three are on the same team.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Vecenie says that hes been awful in the Ignite so far

They haven't played a game yet.

They’ve had 2 scrimmages vs gleaguers though, and he did not look good. Which is why he fell in mocks

I understand what you're saying, you're just the messenger but scrimmages aren't good enough for me to judge a player. I'll be tuned into Ignite games regularly this season. I'm so excited to watch Nix, Green, Kuminga, Todd and Sotto.

[Son Goku 25]

I hate losing, I really do and sometimes these regular season wins are good for the mood. I'm looking at the standings and there's a good chance we run into Celtics or Nets in first round and you know how that will end.

Just gotta be realistic sometimes.

[PhilBlackson]

Just gotta pray that we draft someone like Bouknight or Christopher (like the most of where we'll likely draft) and they end up being "Beal-like" because yeah we're going for 6/7th seed or die trying.

[T-d0t]

They haven't played a game yet.

They’ve had 2 scrimmages vs gleaguers though, and he did not look good. Which is why he fell in mocks

I understand what you're saying, you're just the messenger but scrimmages aren't good enough for me to judge a player. I'll be tuned into Ignite games regularly this season. I'm so excited to watch Nix, Green, Kuminga, Todd and Sotto.

They got Amir and Jarret Jack on the team too lol

[BoyzNTheHood]

They’ve had 2 scrimmages vs gleaguers though, and he did not look good. Which is why he fell in mocks

I understand what you're saying, you're just the messenger but scrimmages aren't good enough for me to judge a player. I'll be tuned into Ignite games regularly this season. I'm so excited to watch Nix, Green, Kuminga, Todd and Sotto.

They got Amir and Jarret Jack on the team too lol

How dare they try to replicate the young gunz without Money Weems and Comp10

[Psubs]

Just gotta pray that we draft someone like Bouknight or Christopher (like the most of where we'll likely draft) and they end up being "Beal-like" because yeah we're going for 6/7th seed or die trying.

The pick is looking like it might be around 18-22.

Kai Jones, Franz Wagner, Joel Ayai, Jay Huff. I'd like to trade down and get 2 of these guys.

[Ell Curry]

Ugh lost a whole post about guys Michigan has or has played since that's all I watch, but basically Franz Wagner is Watanabe if he could score and was a couple inches taller, Hunter Dickinson has Brook Lopez potential in the 2nd round, Isaiah Livers is an NBA backup wing who nobody will hate or love but probably a good team will take in the 2nd round. Stalled defensively but is a smart team defender and he isn't allergic to rebounding anymore. Ron Harper J is very intriguing since he's got the Jokic thing where he reads the game very well and has skill and looks like he could be in much better shape and improve laterally, Trevion Williams can't hit free throws or he'd be an intriguing 2nd round scoring bowling ball big for us that Siakam and OG and Nurse's schemes might fit well with. Donta Scott probably isn't gonna keep shooting like Dirk Nowitzki but maybe undrafted he'd be a nice scoring big longshot for us. Marcus Carr plays hard, is Canadian and might be a better pro 2 guard than college PG. Needs a few years of G-League or Europe to work on his shooting and decision making but if he's undrafted he makes sense as a 905 guy.

[Reeko]

Vecenie says that hes been awful in the Ignite so far

They haven't played a game yet.

They’ve had 2 scrimmages vs gleaguers though, and he did not look good. Which is why he fell in mocks

He had trouble scoring, but his passing looked good. I've seen some of his high school highlights and he reminds me of a 6'5 Lowry. He's got a big body but is deceptively athletic and plays under the rim. Obviously what made Lowry, Lowry is his mindset, intelligence and competitiveness, which none of us can know about Nix at this point in time.

For a time he was considered the best point guard prospect in the class.

And let's keep in mind that these guys on the G League Ignite are playing against older pros, not 18-21 year olds.

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[PhilBlackson]

Just gotta pray that we draft someone like Bouknight or Christopher (like the most of where we'll likely draft) and they end up being "Beal-like" because yeah we're going for 6/7th seed or die trying.

The pick is looking like it might be around 18-22.

Kai Jones, Franz Wagner, Joel Ayai, Jay Huff. I'd like to trade down and get 2 of these guys.

Yeah I'm not gonna lie...not all that intrigued by any of those names.

Don't get me wrong I can see them being solid players but we have enough "solid players". I'd be a lot more hopeful with someone like Josh Christopher or BJ Boston that MAYBE we can develop them into an all-star caliber player.

If we just continue to add solid players all we'll do is tread water, we need someone who has the POTENTIAL respective to their position to be AT LEAST as good as Siakam is at his....maybe OG is finally starting to gain on Pascal but we need someone at least a slight notch up if we even really want to push the top teams in our conference.

Realistically of course the ideal is to find a legit superstar which obviously the hope someone more like Cade, Green, Kuminga might be. Because when you think of championship rosters' someone Pascal's level simply can't be your best player and I think even if you have another one just above him you're still not quite but I could live with it because I'd be more trusting that this management team could find a way in time to move some of those other remaining pieces in a trade for another legit star then we'd be talking. But just some solid roleplayers...meh not much will come of that.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Just gotta pray that we draft someone like Bouknight or Christopher (like the most of where we'll likely draft) and they end up being "Beal-like" because yeah we're going for 6/7th seed or die trying.

The pick is looking like it might be around 18-22.

Kai Jones, Franz Wagner, Joel Ayai, Jay Huff. I'd like to trade down and get 2 of these guys.

Yeah I'm not gonna lie...not all that intrigued by any of those names.

Don't get me wrong I can see them being solid players but we have enough "solid players". I'd be a lot more hopeful with someone like Josh Christopher or BJ Boston that MAYBE we can develop them into an all-star caliber player.

If we just continue to add solid players all we'll do is tread water, we need someone who has the POTENTIAL respective to their position to be AT LEAST as good as Siakam is at his....maybe OG is finally starting to gain on Pascal but we need someone at least a slight notch up if we even really want to push the top teams in our conference.

Realistically of course the ideal is to find a legit superstar which obviously the hope someone more like Cade, Green, Kuminga might be. Because when you think of championship rosters' someone Pascal's level simply can't be your best player and I think even if you have another one just above him you're still not quite but I could live with it because I'd be more trusting that this management team could find a way in time to move some of those other remaining pieces in a trade for another legit star then we'd be talking. But just some solid roleplayers...meh not much will come of that.

ya it will take a few years before Raptors accumulate enough attractive trade fodder too, to get a potential trade on the table for a disgruntled star, esp if you're drafting in the 20s. no one great is coming to Toronto via free agency, from a historic perspective on free agency.

i mean Raptors should have traded Siakam for Harden if they were planning to make the playoffs even if it is for 2 years. like I said before, no established star is going to want to go to Toronto and stay long term. only drafting a potential star player would make sense because you get to put the culture into that kid and make Toronto feel like home from the get-go. not that I'm saying drafting in the 20s won't happen but greater chance in the lottery.

[Psubs]

Ugh lost a whole post about guys Michigan has or has played since that's all I watch, but basically Franz Wagner is Watanabe if he could score and was a couple inches taller, Hunter Dickinson has Brook Lopez potential in the 2nd round, Isaiah Livers is an NBA backup wing who nobody will hate or love but probably a good team will take in the 2nd round. Stalled defensively but is a smart team defender and he isn't allergic to rebounding anymore. Ron Harper J is very intriguing since he's got the Jokic thing where he reads the game very well and has skill and looks like he could be in much better shape and improve laterally, Trevion Williams can't hit free throws or he'd be an intriguing 2nd round scoring bowling ball big for us that Siakam and OG and Nurse's schemes might fit well with. Donta Scott probably isn't gonna keep shooting like Dirk Nowitzki but maybe undrafted he'd be a nice scoring big longshot for us. Marcus Carr plays hard, is Canadian and might be a better pro 2 guard than college PG. Needs a few years of G-League or Europe to work on his shooting and decision making but if he's undrafted he makes sense as a 905 guy.

Ya, Livers may be on the level of an Isaiah Hughes.

Franz Wagner seem like he could be a poor man's Luka Doncic in terms of skill set. More of a glue guy that does everything at 6'9 and a good defender. If no lotto picks drop.

Ron Harper Jr could be a playmaking Mo Pete.

[Dalek]

Ugh lost a whole post about guys Michigan has or has played since that's all I watch, but basically Franz Wagner is Watanabe if he could score and was a couple inches taller, Hunter Dickinson has Brook Lopez potential in the 2nd round, Isaiah Livers is an NBA backup wing who nobody will hate or love but probably a good team will take in the 2nd round. Stalled defensively but is a smart team defender and he isn't allergic to rebounding anymore. Ron Harper J is very intriguing since he's got the Jokic thing where he reads the game very well and has skill and looks like he could be in much better shape and improve laterally, Trevion Williams can't hit free throws or he'd be an intriguing 2nd round scoring bowling ball big for us that Siakam and OG and Nurse's schemes might fit well with. Donta Scott probably isn't gonna keep shooting like Dirk Nowitzki but maybe undrafted he'd be a nice scoring big longshot for us. Marcus Carr plays hard, is Canadian and might be a better pro 2 guard than college PG. Needs a few years of G-League or Europe to work on his shooting and decision making but if he's undrafted he makes sense as a 905 guy.

There is a lot of good stuff in your post. Ron Harper Jr. just really needs to get in shape. He is way too tubby to be effective in the NBA, but he has a lot of different Jokic-like skill and pedigree. I just love Carr as a college player and I agree he will be a great pro in time. Reminds me of guys like Jevon Carter.

The guy that I have more recently been doing a deeper dive with is Taevion Kinsey (Marshall). His athleticism leaps off the screen and he can score from a number of levels: 19 PPG; 41% from three; 3 assists per game. He is a SG, which is currently a position of strength, but he is no doubt a fun player that could crack the first round to me.

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Maybe a guy who is forgotten is Scottie Lewis from Florida. Probably my favorite defender in the class. He is going to be this year's Matisse Thybulle. Just amazing defensive instincts and quick hands, coupled with great athleticism. He would be great in switch schemes, but he is not a big scorer so maybe he is only a fringe first rounder. Still, that defense impact he has is next level stuff if you watch any Florida games.

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There are a lot of big shooters and wings in this draft. Guys like Livers and Wagner are well known. One guy I am really impressed with is Trey Murphy from Virginia. He is 6'9" a greater shooter at over 50% and he plays defense on a team known for its tough defense. This guy was on Rice last year so he was less known, but this guys scream NBA potential. I see him like a Deandre Hunter from ATL.

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[Psubs]

There are a lot of big shooters and wings in this draft. Guys like Livers and Wagner are well known. One guy I am really impressed with is Trey Murphy from Virginia. He is 6'9" a greater shooter at over 50% and he plays defense on a team known for its tough defense. This guy was on Rice last year so he was less known, but this guys scream NBA potential. I see him like a Deandre Hunter from ATL.

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http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Wow, Tankathon moved Wagner up from the 2nd round all the way to Golden State at #13! I guess they see what I see.

Kai Jones at #22. Josh Christopher at #28 and Daisen Nix at #29 would be nice prospects to look at.

[Dalek]

There are a lot of big shooters and wings in this draft. Guys like Livers and Wagner are well known. One guy I am really impressed with is Trey Murphy from Virginia. He is 6'9" a greater shooter at over 50% and he plays defense on a team known for its tough defense. This guy was on Rice last year so he was less known, but this guys scream NBA potential. I see him like a Deandre Hunter from ATL.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;t=70s&ab_channel=AHBAnalytics

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Wow, Tankathon moved Wagner up from the 2nd round all the way to Golden State at #13! I guess they see what I see.

Kai Jones at #22. Josh Christopher at #28 and Daisen Nix at #29 would be nice prospects to look at.

One guy missing from Tankathon, that I think is a huge miss is Filip Petrusev. He pulled out of the draft last year and ended up in Serbia playing for KK Megabasket. DX just did a follow-up and his numbers are crazy:

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Mega is an NBA talent machine. Notable players:
Nikola Jokic
Goga Bitadze
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
Vasilije Micic
Marko Simonovic
Rade Zagorac
Ivica Zubac

DX made an error on his scoring but drafting a 20 year-old seven footer, averaging 24 PPG scorer with over 40% from three in a professional league. Jokic only averaged 18 PPG there so while the Adriatic league scoring is somewhat inflated due to the style of play and talent, it is still something else to average 27 PPG.

[Psubs]

There are a lot of big shooters and wings in this draft. Guys like Livers and Wagner are well known. One guy I am really impressed with is Trey Murphy from Virginia. He is 6'9" a greater shooter at over 50% and he plays defense on a team known for its tough defense. This guy was on Rice last year so he was less known, but this guys scream NBA potential. I see him like a Deandre Hunter from ATL.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

;t=70s&ab_channel=AHBAnalytics

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Wow, Tankathon moved Wagner up from the 2nd round all the way to Golden State at #13! I guess they see what I see.

Kai Jones at #22. Josh Christopher at #28 and Daisen Nix at #29 would be nice prospects to look at.

One guy missing from Tankathon, that I think is a huge miss is Filip Petrusev. He pulled out of the draft last year and ended up in Serbia playing for KK Megabasket. DX just did a follow-up and his numbers are crazy:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Mega is an NBA talent machine. Notable players:
Nikola Jokic
Goga Bitadze
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
Vasilije Micic
Marko Simonovic
Rade Zagorac
Ivica Zubac

DX made an error on his scoring but drafting a 20 year-old seven footer, averaging 24 PPG scorer with over 40% from three in a professional league. Jokic only averaged 18 PPG there so while the Adriatic league scoring is somewhat inflated due to the style of play and talent, it is still something else to average 27 PPG.

Nice follow-up. I read that they were cool with him leaving Gonzaga as he was a little primadonna-ish. I guess that swagger is good in the pros. He didn't shoot many or make many 3's during his 2 years with Gonzaga. Good to see him be able to do his own thing as a pro. I guess he's be like a less injured Zach Collins. Likely higher floor than Pokusevski and similar ceiling.

I think if he would've stayed with Gonzaga he'd be putting up over 20ppg.

So he shot 85% FT's in his freshman year and then dipped 65.5% in the 2nd. In the pros he's 77.5% which seems to be more where he'll be with the ability to go up to 80-85%. You sold me over Kai Jones and co. I mean it's cool that he'd be able to say that he's been able to excell on the college and pro level to be a safer bet.

https://www.aba-liga.com/player/3653/20/1/filip-petrusev/

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[Dalek]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Wow, Tankathon moved Wagner up from the 2nd round all the way to Golden State at #13! I guess they see what I see.

Kai Jones at #22. Josh Christopher at #28 and Daisen Nix at #29 would be nice prospects to look at.

One guy missing from Tankathon, that I think is a huge miss is Filip Petrusev. He pulled out of the draft last year and ended up in Serbia playing for KK Megabasket. DX just did a follow-up and his numbers are crazy:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Mega is an NBA talent machine. Notable players:
Nikola Jokic
Goga Bitadze
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
Vasilije Micic
Marko Simonovic
Rade Zagorac
Ivica Zubac

DX made an error on his scoring but drafting a 20 year-old seven footer, averaging 24 PPG scorer with over 40% from three in a professional league. Jokic only averaged 18 PPG there so while the Adriatic league scoring is somewhat inflated due to the style of play and talent, it is still something else to average 27 PPG.

Nice follow-up. I read that they were cool with him leaving Gonzaga as he was a little primadonna-ish. I guess that swagger is good in the pros. He didn't shoot many or make many 3's during his 2 years with Gonzaga. Good to see him be able to do his own thing as a pro. I guess he's be like a less injured Zach Collins. Likely higher floor than Pokusevski and similar ceiling.

I think if he would've stayed with Gonzaga he'd be putting up over 20ppg.

So he shot 85% FT's in his freshman year and then dipped 65.5% in the 2nd. In the pros he's 77.5% which seems to be more where he'll be with the ability to go up to 80-85%. You sold me over Kai Jones and co. I mean it's cool that he'd be able to say that he's been able to excell on the college and pro level to be a safer bet.

https://www.aba-liga.com/player/3653/20/1/filip-petrusev/

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I haven't dug too much into Kai Jones, but will watch some video and read up. I was a bigger fan of Greg Brown but I have heard Jones is impressing so far.

Like you said, Petrusev is kind of more known at this point because he is dominating in a pro league. From what I have seen of him I can see the Zach Collins comparison. Let's see if Petrusev can keep up these numbers.

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Petrusev might be the 2nd best C after Mobley.

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I haven't dug too much into Kai Jones, but will watch some video and read up. I was a bigger fan of Greg Brown but I have heard Jones is impressing so far.

Like you said, Petrusev is kind of more known at this point because he is dominating in a pro league. From what I have seen of him I can see the Zach Collins comparison. Let's see if Petrusev can keep up these numbers.

Kai started playing bball late, and doesn't get many blocks, but I can see him being like Myles Turner. He is way riskier than Petrusev.

If Petrusev can keep shooting over 35% from the Euro 3 distance, he should crack the 1st round for sure and I don't see why he doesn't rise all the way into the lottery like Jalen Smith (#10).