What can Wayne Ellington get?

edmunder_prc · Post #1 » by **edmunder_prc** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:58 am

$2.5 million - 1 year contract.

Last 10 games hes shooting 52% from 3point range. Scoring more than 10 points a game. Defense is still pretty good, not a negative.

Can he only get a 2nd round pick?

Where does he go and what can he get?

Celtics - Tatum is out for now, Kemba is still playing himself back in shape, their backup PG Pritchard who made Hayes look like a middle schooler is out with injury. They could use a shooter.

GSW - They can use someone to hit shots instead of Oubre shooting 1/30 on 3s like he did to start the season.

EDIT

I think this is where we can all grade Weaver. What does he get for Ellington, DRose, both expiring contracts.

Piston Pete · Post #2 » by **Piston Pete** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:27 am

Ellington is only getting us a 2nd round pick.

Pretty much any playoff team can use another cheap shooter to come off the bench.

Pharaoh · Post #3 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:30 am

2nds can be bought so I'd rather not trade a valuable vet just for the sake of it.

IF a contender had a TPE or a prospect that's different story but I don't think getting back a pick between 50 and 60 is all that valuable.

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zeebneeb · Post #4 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:37 am

He is the perfect trade sweetener when your going for a midsized whale. He is going to be more valuable in a trade then the 2nd round pick you'll get for him.

flow · Post #5 » by **flow** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:11 am

Pharaoh wrote:2nds can be bought so I'd rather not trade a valuable vet just for the sake of it.

IF a contender had a TPE or a prospect that's different story but I don't think getting back a pick between 50 and 60 is all that valuable.

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Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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Billl · Post #6 » by **Billl** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:16 am

Nothing. The answer is nothing. A few hot shooting games doesn't change his value.

coordinator0 · Post #7 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:17 am

zeebneeb wrote:He is the perfect trade sweetener when your going for a midsized whale. He is going to be more valuable in a trade then the 2nd round pick you'll get for him.

You're right, but hopefully the Pistons aren't looking to go out and get that midsized whale. I'd be happy for them to take a 2nd or two and be done with it. Get Wayne somewhere where his shooting can actually help a winning team.

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:44 am

We lack depth at guard, we lack shooters too. And from all reports he's a real pro.

I'm all for playing kids more minutes but you don't just trade a guy like that - on a expiring contract - in order to get a late 2nd round pick.

flow wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:2nds can be bought so I'd rather not trade a valuable vet just for the sake of it.

IF a contender had a TPE or a prospect that's different story but I don't think getting back a pick between 50 and 60 is all that valuable.

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Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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DetroitSho · Post #9 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:52 am

Pharaoh wrote:We lack depth at guard, we lack shooters too. And from all reports he's a real pro.

I'm all for playing kids more minutes but you don't just trade a guy like that - on a expiring contract - in order to get a late 2nd round pick.
flow wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:2nds can be bought so I'd rather not trade a valuable vet just for the sake of it.

IF a contender had a TPE or a prospect that's different story but I don't think getting back a pick between 50 and 60 is all that valuable.

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Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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Actually, that's EXACTLY what you do.

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buzzkilloton · Post #10 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:52 am

Remember when we traded Reggie Bullock and we netted a 2nd rounder and SVI. Bullock was a younger player and better defender. I'd say that type of package is the ceiling.

buzzkilloton · Post #11 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:54 am

Pharaoh wrote:We lack depth at guard, we lack shooters too. And from all reports he's a real pro.

I'm all for playing kids more minutes but you don't just trade a guy like that - on a expiring contract - in order to get a late 2nd round pick.
flow wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:2nds can be bought so I'd rather not trade a valuable vet just for the sake of it.

IF a contender had a TPE or a prospect that's different story but I don't think getting back a pick between 50 and 60 is all that valuable.

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Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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We have SVI whos a younger Ellington. Clearly Ellington is better then SVI but its not like we need Wayne to tank.

We don't need anymore "real pros". We already have Blake. Hell we get Drose too.

Pharaoh · Post #12 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:25 am

Wow!

So you'd trade away Ellington for a pick in the 50-60 range?

I'm happy you're not the GM

DetroitSho wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:We lack depth at guard, we lack shooters too. And from all reports he's a real pro.

I'm all for playing kids more minutes but you don't just trade a guy like that - on a expiring contract - in order to get a late 2nd round pick.
flow wrote:Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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Pharaoh · Post #13 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:26 am

Wayne isn't needed for the tank but IF we plan on keeping Svi long term I'd be hoping Ellington can show him some stuff every single day that will help.

buzzkilloton wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:We lack depth at guard, we lack shooters too. And from all reports he's a real pro.

I'm all for playing kids more minutes but you don't just trade a guy like that - on a expiring contract - in order to get a late 2nd round pick.
flow wrote:Valuable to who? Us? How so? I can't think of one reason to play him one more minute here.

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We have SVI whos a younger Ellington. Clearly Ellington is better then SVI but its not like we need Wayne to tank.

We don't need anymore "real pros". We already have Blake. Hell we get Drose too.

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Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:27 am

That's more like it!

A 2nd rounder AND a prospect? Cool - I'm down for that.

buzzkilloton wrote:Remember when we traded Reggie Bullock and we netted a 2nd rounder and SVI. Bullock was a younger player and better defender. I'd say that type of package is the ceiling.

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Pharaoh · Post #15 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:28 am

Maybe we could just trade Ellington for Zhaire Smith

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Uncle Mxy · Post #16 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:26 am

Ellington has "revert to the mean" written all over him.

440BB · Post #17 » by **440BB** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:13 am

If Wayne can stay hot over the next couple weeks, with the number of injuries piling up elsewhere, a second round pick and a prospect are a real possibility.

bstein14 · Post #18 » by **bstein14** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:13 pm

Because he was signed to a one year deal we can't trade him unless he approves the deal.

If it would have been a deal with a 2nd year not guaranteed we could have traded him to a destination of our choice. Perhaps he wouldn't go for that type of contract, or perhaps Weaver didn't ever think of him as a possible trade piece.

Post #19 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:40 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Ellington is only getting us a 2nd round pick.

Pretty much any playoff team can use another cheap shooter to come off the bench.

Not even that most likely. Playoff teams know players at that level can be had on the waiver wire.

We got nothing for Markeiff in a similar situation.

A hot streak from a known entity like Ellington doesn’t really up his value.

thesack12 · Post #20 » by **thesack12** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:41 pm

As I mentioned in a different thread a couple days ago, we need to keep in mind that Ellington is on a minimum contract which means that he was available to all 30 NBA teams at that price. We also need to remember that last year Ellington signed with the mighty Knicks as a free agent. In addition when he was bought out midway through the 18-19 season, he signed with Detroit.

All this lead me to believe, that Ellington just isn't all that highly regarded around the league. As Bill mentioned, a couple of hot shooting games isn't going to swing the needle on him.

On a related note, I remember when a lot of people were excited with the Rose and Markieff Morris signings in that they could be parlayed into trade bait. Again, there was a reason why Detroit was able to sign Rose to less than full MLE $ and Morris to BAE $. We've yet to see a solid trade market develop for Rose, and Morris ended up getting bought out. When Detroit signs vets to cheap deals, the smart money says that they didn't have a whole lot of other options to pivot to.

All that said, if you can get anything resembling an asset for Ellington, you'd be a fool not to move him. A team firmly in the conversation for being the worst in the league, should not be concerning themselves with shooting or "lack of depth." Besides all of Josh Jackson/Bey/Svi/or even McGruder and Sirvydis can plug whatever "depth holes" would be made by moving Ellington. Even if you are are insisting on worrying about shooting or "veteran presence" just sign a Kyle Korver/Jamal Crawford/Joe Johnson type after moving Ellington.

Moving Ellington would be opening up minutes for Jackson/Svi/Bey. Yet, we're trying to bring depth concerns into this equation?