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The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#1 » by Def Swami » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Not much has gone right for Mo Bamba in his first three NBA seasons. The no. 6 pick in the 2018 draft has been stuck behind All-Star Nikola Vucevic in Orlando, and lost his spot in the rotation to Khem Birch even before missing five games due to the NBA’s healthy and safety protocols. Bamba returned in the Magic’s 107-104 loss to the Hornets on Sunday, only to receive his eighth DNP-CD of the season. But it’s hard to label Bamba a bust when he has barely gotten a chance to show what he can do. His struggle to earn playing time illustrates why it’s so hard to develop young big men in the NBA.

Bamba has shown flashes of talent when he’s seen the floor. He has career per-36-minute averages of 13.8 points on 47.0 percent shooting, 11.8 rebounds, and 3.3 blocks. The problem is that he’s averaged only 14.8 minutes per game. There are not many players who possess his ability to protect the rim (he has a 7-foot-10 wingspan) and knock down 3-pointers (career 32.6 percent on 1.6 attempts per game). But that’s all theoretical at this point. Bamba doesn’t shoot well enough to force defenses to respect him on the perimeter, and doesn’t yet have the strength to finish at a high level in the paint. He’s a career 54.3 percent shooter from 2-point range on 3.2 attempts per game, which is below the mark of most defensive-minded centers who aren’t asked to create much offense.

Defense has been Bamba’s bigger issue. Blocking shots is only a small part of his job on that side of the ball at the NBA level. The 7-footer is still learning how to defend the pick-and-roll, call out coverages for his teammates, and when to stay on his man or rotate as a help-side defender. It’s never been harder to learn those things because offenses are spreading the floor better than ever. Big men need to cover more space, which means one false step or split-second hesitation is all it takes to give up a basket.

It’s not just Bamba. The five big men drafted in the 2018 lottery are all still works in progress on that end of the floor. Jaren Jackson Jr., the no. 4 pick, has been out all season recovering from meniscus surgery. The rest have terrible on/off splits on defense. There are a lot of complicating factors in these numbers, and Bamba has played so little that his are almost meaningless. But they do show how difficult it is for a young big man to anchor a good defense early in his career, which is the primary responsibility for interior players: see link

Jackson is off to the best start of the bunch precisely because he hasn’t had to shoulder as much of the defensive burden. He’s an elite 3-point shooter (career 38.4 percent on 4.4 attempts per game) whose ability to play power forward has allowed the Grizzlies to pair him with more traditional rim protectors like Marc Gasol and Jonas Valanciunas. His defense, a strength in college, has been the weakest part of his game in the NBA. The other four teams have all been stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to developing their young centers. It’s difficult to put together successful lineups around players who can’t guard or stretch the floor.

Bamba, unlike Ayton, Bagley, and Carter, did not land on a team willing to take a step back to wait on him. The Magic had missed the playoffs in each of the last six seasons before selecting Bamba in 2018, and hired a veteran coach in Steve Clifford to get them over the hump. Clifford boosted their win total by 17 games in his first season and got them into the postseason the next two. But without much star power on the roster, Orlando has had to win games on the margins. In that situation, even the backup center job is too valuable to give to someone who can’t help the team stay afloat in those minutes. Bamba has needed time to play through his mistakes. The Magic haven’t had any time to give.

It was a different situation when Vucevic came to Orlando in 2012. The Magic had just made six straight playoff appearances behind Dwight Howard, and were beginning a long rebuilding process after his departure. Vucevic started 134 games and played 4,371 minutes in his first two seasons with the Magic, who went 43-121 in that time. Bamba, on other hand, has started only one game and played 1,644 minutes in his first two seasons. That playing time effect is compounded by the fact that Bamba spent just one season in college while Vucevic spent three.

It’s hard to blame Clifford for not playing the 22-year-old Bamba this season. Vucevic is playing the best basketball of his career, averaging 23.2 points, 11 rebounds, and 3.5 assists while shooting 42.6 percent from 3 on 6.4 attempts per game. Birch was a key part of a second unit that helped the Magic get out to a surprising 6-2 start before starting point guard Markelle Fultz tore his ACL. Some of the team’s best lineups feature Birch at the 5 with multiple 3-point shooters around him.

Birch, a 28-year-old journeyman who spent three seasons in the G League and Europe before signing with the Magic in 2017, is everything that Bamba is not. He doesn’t have the same size, shooting touch, or tantalizing potential, but he’s a savvy veteran who is almost always in the right position on both sides of the ball. He’s a great screen setter who sacrifices his body by rolling hard to the rim and collapsing the defense even if he knows he won’t get the rock. Birch does all the little things that a playoff contender needs from its backup center.

It’s unfair to ask Bamba to do those same things. He’s a lottery pick with the upside to play all over the floor on offense. Clifford has let Bamba take 3s and try to expand his offensive game, but the Magic don’t need that on a second unit built around an elite sixth man in Terrence Ross. Ross, who can stop on a dime and fire 3s after racing around off-ball screens, is better with a big man who can use his body to free him up. Bamba presents a similar problem on defense. Bambra is an elite shot blocker who has to learn that there are times when it’s better not to go for the swat. Birch doesn’t have that issue. His career block percentage (2.8) is almost three times lower than Bamba’s (7.9). Birch doesn’t make as many positive defensive plays, but he makes up for it by allowing fewer negative ones.

The best thing that could happen to Bamba’s development is for the Magic to slip out of the playoff race. They are 1-8 without Fultz and have dropped to no. 12 in the East. Clifford will have a hard time finding minutes for Bamba if the team’s goal is to make a play-in series. And Orlando has shown signs of life in its last three games, all of which have gone down to the wire. Clifford is starting to figure out a new rotation, moving Aaron Gordon to more of a playmaking role in Fultz’s absence and playing him more minutes with the second unit.

The Magic will have to play Bamba at some point, if for no other reason than he’s up for an extension this offseason. They spent a high lottery pick on him three years ago and still have no idea what they have. The first thing the front office will have to do is either trade Birch at the deadline, or let him walk in free agency this summer, because Clifford has shown that he will not play Bamba over him. Bamba is still only 22. It might take awhile for the game to really slow down for him. Vucevic didn’t become an effective defender until he was 27. Birch didn’t make the NBA until he was 25. Orlando essentially committed to extending its rebuilding process indefinitely when it drafted Bamba. It just might not have known it at the time.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/25/22248359/mo-bamba-orlando-magic-young-nba-bigs
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#2 » by thelead » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:35 pm

I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.
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Post#3 » by orlando_joe » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:10 pm

thelead wrote:I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.

unless he shows something..like effort ..that offer is like 11 mill? not sure even gets that
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Post#4 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:28 pm

Trade Bamba for a decent backup PG that can start on occasion or sub the kid whenever he slips.
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Post#5 » by fendilim » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:34 pm

The thing with Bamba tho, even when he got his playing time, he still look like ****.

A whole lot different when guys likes Bol Bol or Mitchell Robinson. They played really hard at the start and they got rewarded.

What bothers me is how careless or immature Mo is. He was already starting to get playing time, and he lets himself expose from someone with Covid or something?

For guys like Bamba or backup players, the least you can do is stay on your lane because this season will open a lot of doors for players who struggled to get playing time in previous seasons. There will be cases when star players or players ahead of you will be out for contact tracing or, at worst, Covid. When guys like vuc are keeping themselves away from possible covid, the more should backup or bench players.

These are opportunities to play knocking at your door. Dont be like Mo.
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#6 » by thelead » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:53 pm

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thelead wrote:I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.

unless he shows something..like effort ..that offer is like 11 mill? not sure even gets that

He's not worth it but what an indictment on the front office... part of it is on Mo, no doubt but he hasn't had enough playing time to know for sure if he's worth it or not. Just terrible all around for this organization.
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#7 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:21 pm

thelead wrote:I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.


Magic picked up 4th year option on his contract so he would have to wait until 2022-23 for free agency.
The thing about Bamba is, he isn't that young. He turns 23 soon. New wave of rookies that will enter nba this calendar year will be 4 years younger than him.

Whole mistique of him as prospect is washing away. There simply isn't many nba teams where he will play, that's reality. Thon Maker is one just one year older than him and without nba team. Bender is like 6 months older and went back in Europe.
Jaxson Hayes was better rookie than Bamba was sophmore and lost his place in rotation.
Bagley sucks and it feels like Kings only play him to trade him.

Almost every article that uses Bamba's PER 36 min stats fails to mention he is averaging 5 fouls and negative turnover to assit numbers, fail to mention his pick&roll disaster stats and fail to mention he is career 34% mid range shooter. His only "strenght" is blocks and that he might be below average but not terrible 3 point shooter . But since nobody ever even bothered to contest any of his shots and he only plays against second units, it's very questionable how good defender he actually is, and how good his shot would be against more mobile, focused and organised defense. But nobody knows since he only plays end of first quater, start of second and end of third quater , where teams are not that commited to shut down everything.
And there is plot twist- nobody knows but Orlando and Clifford. And they went in great lenghts to hide him from any sort of spotlight, witch probably means that against starters, even at practice, he is getting runned over. We even started Birch over Bamba when Vuc was out. That was biggest red flag about him as prospect and where he is at.

if i have to predict future, i can see his career playing like Hezonja. He'll get somwhere,get lof of hype, get few starts, but over span of half of the year he will fade from rotation and 2,3,4 years down the line he'll be somwhere in China blocking 5'5 guards.

His best possible outcome is nowhere near phisiclly impossing Whiteside. Gets blocks but flat out does not help defense because he is out of position almost all the time, gambles at blocks and leaves assigments, and flat out does not move fast enough to be worth playing more.
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#8 » by OrlandO » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:31 pm

lost his spot in the rotation to Khem Birch

Clifford has shown that he will not play Bamba over him

Not true and I don't know where this narrative comes from. It's got nothing to do with Birch. The only reason Bamba has missed so many games is because of health. It's always been that way. Every year. The leg fracture killed his first season, covid / massive weight gain killed his second season, recovering from the conditioning setback and covid protocols have been eating into his third season. He's his own worst enemy. Birch is just filling in... that's his job.
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#9 » by The Real Dalic » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:28 pm

OrlandO wrote:
lost his spot in the rotation to Khem Birch

Clifford has shown that he will not play Bamba over him

Not true and I don't know where this narrative comes from. It's got nothing to do with Birch. The only reason Bamba has missed so many games is because of health. It's always been that way. Every year. The leg fracture killed his first season, covid / massive weight gain killed his second season, recovering from the conditioning setback and covid protocols have been eating into his third season. He's his own worst enemy. Birch is just filling in... that's his job.

Agreed. The only other thing is his own effort to try to get the attention of the coach and to try to work as hard as possible to get back from those injuries. Bamba has been his own worst enemy from even before he joined the NBA.
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Re: The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba 

Post#10 » by VFX » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:54 pm

Def Swami wrote:

“It’s not just Bamba. The five big men drafted in the 2018 lottery are all still works in progress on that end of the floor.”

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/25/22248359/mo-bamba-orlando-magic-young-nba-bigs



You don’t say. So you’re telling me Luka Doncic, Young, Colin Sexton, and SGA were better picks per value over drafting bigs in the lottery? Shocking.
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Post#11 » by p0peye » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:06 pm

I'm inclined to say that this article does Bamba many favors and I don't buy it. If he was in a draft today, I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.
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Post#12 » by Skin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:17 pm

All I want from him is to play damnit.
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Post#13 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:22 pm

p0peye wrote:I'm inclined to say that this article does Bamba many favors and I don't buy it. If he was in a draft today, I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.


Article does not go in specifics why he does not play.
Mainly, terrible conditioning .

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Post#14 » by tiderulz » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:34 pm

thelead wrote:I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.

lol, they arent going to give him a QO
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Post#15 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:58 pm

I want him to get more pt this seasons but Bamba's issue for me is his motor. I can forgive a lot of shortcomings if the player is at least leaving it all out on the floor, but he doesn't. I see more fire rebounding the ball and going for put back dunks from Cole Anthony's little ass than Mo and thats a problem. The part of that article that infuriates me is:
He’s (Birch) a great screen setter who sacrifices his body by rolling hard to the rim and collapsing the defense even if he knows he won’t get the rock. Birch does all the little things that a playoff contender needs from its backup center.
It’s unfair to ask Bamba to do those same things.
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Post#16 » by basketballRob » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:43 pm

I'd like to see him get a fresh start somewhere else.

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Post#17 » by thelead » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:12 am

tiderulz wrote:
thelead wrote:I’m going to be pissed when Bamba walks. I can easily see him taking the QO and walking afterwards.

lol, they arent going to give him a QO

Then ownership should fire the FO if that's the case.
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Post#18 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:14 am

Once Bamba is somewhere else is one foot closer to being out of the league.
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Post#19 » by basketballRob » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 am

NJ could use Bamba.

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Post#20 » by MagicFan4Lyfe » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:15 am

I never thought it could get any more worse than the Hennigan years.
But the Weham years might be the darkest.
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