Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[Shak_Celts]

wrong thread.

[Dannyboy36]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

[playa-hater]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

I hope someone. We have 2 great players (the Js) one dangerous offensive weapon (Kemba) one solid Role player (Smart) Some young but might not e ready talent PP, Nesmith, Langford. 3 center rotation.

but we have too many NOT playoff type of players in Semi/Grant/Green.

One really solid addition may be the difference between pretender and top contender.

I don't know who. But I would love to go all in for a player who can help us win Now and stay with us for a few years to come.

But who?

[playa-hater]

I count 4 players who fit the timeline of Boston's Js, that can put us over the TOP this year and possibly be here for some years.

In No order, I have OG Anoby. - perfect fit next to the Js. enough switchable size. Good shooting. Doesn't need the ball. FA this summer. (3 million now) Maybe Toronto gets nervous that he will bounce and we can throw 2 firsts and a young player (Langford) and they accept. Long shot, but Toronto isn't going anywhere this year, so who knows.

Second - John Collins. Cheap contract this year, wants the Max this summer. Let him test the market and we just match. Pick and Pop a 3 or lob near the rim. Pretty good defender. Not a good rebounder though. Timeline is perfect.

Third - JERAMI GRANT - Not sure he would be happy NOT being the main guy. But who long can he be happy playing for a bottom 3 team in the league. Was very impressed with his defense 1st last year in the playoffs against Lebron. can score inside and out. doable contract at 18 mill.

Fourth - Christian Wood - such a good offensive compliment for our Js. still only 25 and on a good contract for 3-4 years.

[playa-hater]

Maybe even A Gordon. Age + position. But his shooting decision making needs to improve.

[keevsnick1]

I count 4 players who fit the timeline of Boston's Js, that can put us over the TOP this year and possibly be here for some years.

In No order, I have OG Anoby. - perfect fit next to the Js. enough switchable size. Good shooting. Doesn't need the ball. FA this summer. (3 million now) Maybe Toronto gets nervous that he will bounce and we can throw 2 firsts and a young player (Langford) and they accept. Long shot, but Toronto isn't going anywhere this year, so who knows.

Second - John Collins. Cheap contract this year, wants the Max this summer. Let him test the market and we just match. Pick and Pop a 3 or lob near the rim. Pretty good defender. Not a good rebounder though. Timeline is perfect.

Third - JERAMI GRANT - Not sure he would be happy NOT being the main guy. But who long can he be happy playing for a bottom 3 team in the league. Was very impressed with his defense 1st last year in the playoffs against Lebron. can score inside and out. doable contract at 18 mill.

Fourth - Christian Wood - such a good offensive compliment for our Js. still only 25 and on a good contract for 3-4 years.

OG already signed an extension, no way TOR is trading him. Grant left DEN to be the guy, he's not going back to being a 4th option. Wood is a Center who puts up numbers but isnt very good defensively (from what I've seen), I dont think thats an ideal match for this team.

Collins is interesting, but I bet he costs a lot if ATL moves him at all.

[fallguy]

Aaron Gordon would just piss me off. Not the guy we need.

[cl2117]

I count 4 players who fit the timeline of Boston's Js, that can put us over the TOP this year and possibly be here for some years.

In No order, I have OG Anoby. - perfect fit next to the Js. enough switchable size. Good shooting. Doesn't need the ball. FA this summer. (3 million now) Maybe Toronto gets nervous that he will bounce and we can throw 2 firsts and a young player (Langford) and they accept. Long shot, but Toronto isn't going anywhere this year, so who knows.

Second - John Collins. Cheap contract this year, wants the Max this summer. Let him test the market and we just match. Pick and Pop a 3 or lob near the rim. Pretty good defender. Not a good rebounder though. Timeline is perfect.

Third - JERAMI GRANT - Not sure he would be happy NOT being the main guy. But who long can he be happy playing for a bottom 3 team in the league. Was very impressed with his defense 1st last year in the playoffs against Lebron. can score inside and out. doable contract at 18 mill.

Fourth - Christian Wood - such a good offensive compliment for our Js. still only 25 and on a good contract for 3-4 years.

OG already signed an extension, no way TOR is trading him. Grant left DEN to be the guy, he's not going back to being a 4th option. Wood is a Center who puts up numbers but isnt very good defensively (from what I've seen), I dont think thats an ideal match for this team.

Collins is interesting, but I bet he costs a lot if ATL moves him at all.

The thing about Collins is that he comes with the need to max him. It's bit of an anchor around his value.

He's a RFA next year, but if the Hawks aren't ready to max him they could lose him to an offer sheet. They might be better off trading him early, but how many teams are going to give up assets to max a guy they can sign to an offer sheet in the summer? It'd have to be a contender and that shrinks the pool considerably.

I just don't know how much I'd be willing to pay him. Would rather get Capela, but that ain't happening.

[La Flame]

No question you max John Collins. The question is how do we get him

[BK_2020]

John Collins is a dino arm no defense tweener big who gets all his points off another players creation. Maxing guys like that is how you become a treadmill team.

[FlatearthZorro]

I count 4 players who fit the timeline of Boston's Js, that can put us over the TOP this year and possibly be here for some years.

In No order, I have OG Anoby. - perfect fit next to the Js. enough switchable size. Good shooting. Doesn't need the ball. FA this summer. (3 million now) Maybe Toronto gets nervous that he will bounce and we can throw 2 firsts and a young player (Langford) and they accept. Long shot, but Toronto isn't going anywhere this year, so who knows.

Second - John Collins. Cheap contract this year, wants the Max this summer. Let him test the market and we just match. Pick and Pop a 3 or lob near the rim. Pretty good defender. Not a good rebounder though. Timeline is perfect.

Third - JERAMI GRANT - Not sure he would be happy NOT being the main guy. But who long can he be happy playing for a bottom 3 team in the league. Was very impressed with his defense 1st last year in the playoffs against Lebron. can score inside and out. doable contract at 18 mill.

Fourth - Christian Wood - such a good offensive compliment for our Js. still only 25 and on a good contract for 3-4 years.

1- Rapotrs ain't trading Anunnoby.
2- Hawks will pay Collins
3- Detroit ain't trading Grant.
4- Rockets ain't trading wood.

I'm still expecting the Magic to be the sellers. Lots of guys there who would help us. Vuc/Fournier/Ross/Gordon.

Then Tucker might be on the move, too. Rockets' Gordon as well.

[FlatearthZorro]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

I've been writing the same stuff for weeks now, but we need 2, maybe 3 decent role players to compete for a title.

[Squigglepuffin]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

I hope someone. We have 2 great players (the Js) one dangerous offensive weapon (Kemba) one solid Role player (Smart) Some young but might not e ready talent PP, Nesmith, Langford. 3 center rotation.

but we have too many NOT playoff type of players in Semi/Grant/Green.

One really solid addition may be the difference between pretender and top contender.

I don't know who. But I would love to go all in for a player who can help us win Now and stay with us for a few years to come.

But who?

You basically need to figure out two things.

Firstly, what are the flaws in the team? What skills would you like incoming players to have?

Secondly, you need to identify players with those skills who are currently undervalued. That means forget players who start for other teams - asking price will be too high.

We have minimal capspace so a player aquired can't have a big salary. If youre going for a player that starts you're probably going to have to trade Marcus. Jarrett Allen type deals are a rarity.

I honestly think we're going to become the Harden + Howard/CP3 Rockets. Good but not good enough.

I hope I'm wrong, but I hate the way the past two off seasons have been handled by the front office. As a direct consequence the previously mentioned outcome is becoming more likely imo.

Its unfortunate because our bench would be stacked and I doubt yhis conversation exists if we had drafted well in 2019 and 2020.

[Ernest]

Anyone back on the Boogie train yet?

He is certainly someone to keep an eye on. I mean even if he does play well from now to the playoffs, how much could Hou really want for him in a trade? In the past it seemed we always had streatches where we couldn't score, but that might not be the case once we are healthy and Brown and tatum are lighting it up.

If the cost is low, why not?

[playa-hater]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

I hope someone. We have 2 great players (the Js) one dangerous offensive weapon (Kemba) one solid Role player (Smart) Some young but might not e ready talent PP, Nesmith, Langford. 3 center rotation.

but we have too many NOT playoff type of players in Semi/Grant/Green.

One really solid addition may be the difference between pretender and top contender.

I don't know who. But I would love to go all in for a player who can help us win Now and stay with us for a few years to come.

But who?

You basically need to figure out two things.

Firstly, what are the flaws in the team? What skills would you like incoming players to have?

Secondly, you need to identify players with those skills who are currently undervalued. That means forget players who start for other teams - asking price will be too high.

We have minimal capspace so a player aquired can't have a big salary. If youre going for a player that starts you're probably going to have to trade Marcus. Jarrett Allen type deals are a rarity.

I honestly think we're going to become the Harden + Howard/CP3 Rockets. Good but not good enough.

I hope I'm wrong, but I hate the way the past two off seasons have been handled by the front office. As a direct consequence the previously mentioned outcome is becoming more likely imo.

Its unfortunate because our bench would be stacked and I doubt this conversation exists if we had drafted well in 2019 and 2020.

You may or may not realize how much I agree with this. Yet I get shot down for even making these assessments.

[TommyForever]

Vucevic
Randle
Barnes

Personal Top 3 possible additions.

[SMTBSI]

Do you guys think that we’ll make a deal or pick up anyone this year at all? I realize it may be weighing the pros and cons of using picks to obtain players but when we ha r two stars like the jays I’m not sure if I believe it’s wise to not go all in. If we can overpay somewhat with picks to obtain an older star ( but only 31) like Derozan maybe now is the time.

A couple of times a season I sit down and go through the list of every single player in the league. There's a little over 450 of them, and it's pretty sobering.

(By salary)
(By minutes played)

The bottom 250 or so pretty much suck. Like barely or not at all an upgrade over even a guy like Semi.

Then there's the players that are out of our price range, either in terms of matching salaries, or how many assets it would cost to get them.

Then there's good players on good teams, where the team simply has no interest in moving them.

Then there's good young players on rookie scale contracts that the team has no interest in moving.

Then there's good or decent players on bad contracts.

Then there's the players that would probably be a slight upgrade, but it's barely worth it to pay the asking price for such a small upgrade, when things like salary and age are factored in (*cough* PJ Tucker *cough*).

Then there's the players that are kind of available but the teams are bad trading partners in terms of not having depth at the right positions, or salaries of the right size, to send to each other (three or four team trades help here but are harder to pull off).

Then there's the players that are "good" but really don't match our team concept (eg. "PFs" who can't shoot the three and aren't switchable defenders).


By the time you get through all of those, the list of 450+ has whittled down pretty severely. It's really, really hard to come up with trades that both make the team obviously better, and do so at a fair price.

Honestly, it feels harder to me to improve the team just by going out and "buying depth", than by doing the big transformational trades. The big trades that have a lot of value both coming and going provide more opportunity to really shake things up. The little ones, well, there aren't just a ton of useful players sitting out there, easy to get, waiting to be a nice upgrade for you. If they're there, then you're not the only one bidding for them, and the asking price is going to rise to the max pain anyone is willing to pay.


Point is, I think it's a lot harder to just "go out and make a winning trade" than fans tend to think. We've seen Ainge say things like this over the years: "I could make a trade every day, but most of them wouldn't make us better."

Some times the best play is just to let some time pass, and see if a Timelord or a Nesmith ups their stock enough to beat whatever small upgrade you would have sought.

That said, I hope we do find a good use for the TPE. It's just that every time I go through the list of players, like I did today, I never manage to come up with all that much.

I think taking this as close to the trade deadline as possible is probably the right play for us now. Give this team time to marinate for a bit.

[FlatearthZorro]

People here actually spent time defending Ainge this past offseason for losing Hayward for a TPE and botching the Turner/McDermott deal, trading away Kanter (who opted into a measly 1/$5 million deal) for absolutely nothing and then signing Thompson for 2/$19 million and a washed up Jeff Teague....

LOL

The hard part is when some questioned the bench, they were shouted down. Like I was legitimately told on multiple occasions that Ainge did improve the bench with TT and Teague and that I was overreacting.

Its just frustrating that you cant even have a conversation about our poor depth here, saw the same **** last season when I wanted to trade for depth at the deadline.

Like I truly believe that with Tucker and Hill we can go to the finals. Gotta go get those guys.

Tucker/Hill/Barnes are my guys and, imo we'd be in the Finals. It's doable, but we'd have to part ways with Grant/Carsen and maybe Semi dunno... Anyways, I'd do it.

Also Thompson and firsts of course.

[Dannyboy36]

I think that’s the whole thing. If you give up a fist of firsts you really ha e to believe you can win it all. And who is available for 2 future celtics picks that likely will be in the twenties?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Teague was signed as much to be a veteran presence in the locker room, I think, as he was to be a full time back up point guard. He’s had his moments.