Game 17: Los Angeles Lakers (13-4) @ Cleveland Cavaliers (8-8) - 8:00 PM

ducler · Post #1 » by **ducler** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:16 pm

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JonFromVA · Post #2 » by **JonFromVA** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:45 pm

Cavs are weird, and sometimes play quite well on the second night of a back to back.

Revenged25 · Post #3 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 pm

Who's ready to see Okoro shut down LeBron?

Stillwater · Post #4 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:10 am

DG needs a good game today imo.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:12 am

We have Prince on AD?

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Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:15 am

Okay, if Prince is going to get superstar calls he can start.

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Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:41 am

Somehow I think that a McGee 20 foot jumper with 9 seconds left in the quarter was not the play the coach called to end the quarter.

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Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:52 am

I'm not sure the defensive advantage that comes from staggering Sexton and Garland is worth what you give up offensively. At least not with Love out.

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Stillwater · Post #9 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:28 am

why isnt Dotson in the rotation in this game? 6 minutes smh I swear he is getting moved but its all just a gut feeling I have no data to back it up

Stillwater · Post #10 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:52 am

ok Windler I see you man

Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 am

Good game. Cavs need to get Windler shots when he's out there. Obviously that's enough point center for the season. Sexton still needs to figure out that when he's drawing three defenders at the rim, two of his teammates are unguarded.

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Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:33 am

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Post #13 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:37 am

Honestly, it does seem like both the Celtics and Lakers were able to get really physical with our guards, even out on the perimeter.

Does anyone know whether NY still makes the replay reviews, or did they abandoned that?

The Lakers got the more favorable whistle tonight, but I thought yesterday's game was far worse in terms of blatant uncalled fouls. Seems like the Celtics at home always get away murder.

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JonFromVA · Post #14 » by **JonFromVA** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:36 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Honestly, it does seem like both the Celtics and Lakers were able to get really physical with our guards, even out on the perimeter.

Does anyone know whether NY still makes the replay reviews, or did they abandoned that?

The Lakers got the more favorable whistle tonight, but I thought yesterday's game was far worse in terms of blatant uncalled fouls. Seems like the Celtics at home always get away murder.

IMO, it's a function of floor spacing. The refs won't reward guards who drive in to a crowd.

Good bounce back game by the Cavs. Isaac got taken to school by LeBron, but if he becomes capable of slowing him down, we might just win a game like this.

I do like to see Darius and Collin playing together so the defense can't focus on just one of them, but for now Darius on a minutes restriction and it make sense how JBB is staggering them. For those who wanted to see more of them apart, well, there you go.

One oddity is that DG didn't attempt a single 3pter. Until he regains confidence in his shot again or someone like Okoro finds it, we have a floor spacing problem that Cedi and his streaky shooting can help address.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:33 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Honestly, it does seem like both the Celtics and Lakers were able to get really physical with our guards, even out on the perimeter.

Does anyone know whether NY still makes the replay reviews, or did they abandoned that?

The Lakers got the more favorable whistle tonight, but I thought yesterday's game was far worse in terms of blatant uncalled fouls. Seems like the Celtics at home always get away murder.

IMO, it's a function of floor spacing. The refs won't reward guards who drive in to a crowd.

Good bounce back game by the Cavs. Isaac got taken to school by LeBron, but if he becomes capable of slowing him down, we might just win a game like this.

I do like to see Darius and Collin playing together so the defense can't focus on just one of them, but for now Darius on a minutes restriction and it make sense how JBB is staggering them. For those who wanted to see more of them apart, well, there you go.

One oddity is that DG didn't attempt a single 3pter. Until he regains confidence in his shot again or someone like Okoro finds it, we have a floor spacing problem that Cedi and his streaky shooting can help address.

In terms of the bolded, what I saw in Boston, and to a lesser extent against the Lakers, was defenders getting really physical out on the perimeter with whichever guard we had out there. KCP finished the game with 5 fouls last night and he got away with a couple. Boston was every bit as physical the Lakers and really didn't get whistled at all. Some of that is next level development stuff. Exaggerate the contact on the reach in. Be that physical back on the other side of the floor against Kemba and Brown. Or, if push comes to shove, use your off arm to shove back. Officials will adjust how they're calling a game if it gets too chippy and if you don't want your smaller guards man handled on the perimeter, you can force that issue.

Playing them apart was a viable option when we had Love, KPJ, and Exum. Presently, none of those guys are available. The little offense Nance provides was missed over the last two games.

Both Sexton and Garland need to hunt for open three pointers earlier in the game so they're not taking their first or second one in the fourth quarter. They both should be averaging 4 threes a game so opposing defenses at least have it in the back of their minds.

JonFromVA · Post #16 » by **JonFromVA** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:25 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Honestly, it does seem like both the Celtics and Lakers were able to get really physical with our guards, even out on the perimeter.

Does anyone know whether NY still makes the replay reviews, or did they abandoned that?

The Lakers got the more favorable whistle tonight, but I thought yesterday's game was far worse in terms of blatant uncalled fouls. Seems like the Celtics at home always get away murder.

IMO, it's a function of floor spacing. The refs won't reward guards who drive in to a crowd.

Good bounce back game by the Cavs. Isaac got taken to school by LeBron, but if he becomes capable of slowing him down, we might just win a game like this.

I do like to see Darius and Collin playing together so the defense can't focus on just one of them, but for now Darius on a minutes restriction and it make sense how JBB is staggering them. For those who wanted to see more of them apart, well, there you go.

One oddity is that DG didn't attempt a single 3pter. Until he regains confidence in his shot again or someone like Okoro finds it, we have a floor spacing problem that Cedi and his streaky shooting can help address.

In terms of the bolded, what I saw in Boston, and to a lesser extent against the Lakers, was defenders getting really physical out on the perimeter with whichever guard we had out there. KCP finished the game with 5 fouls last night and he got away with a couple. Boston was every bit as physical the Lakers and really didn't get whistled at all. Some of that is next level development stuff. Exaggerate the contact on the reach in. Be that physical back on the other side of the floor against Kemba and Brown. Or, if push comes to shove, use your off arm to shove back. Officials will adjust how they're calling a game if it gets too chippy and if you don't want your smaller guards man handled on the perimeter, you can force that issue.

Playing them apart was a viable option when we had Love, KPJ, and Exum. Presently, none of those guys are available. The little offense Nance provides was missed over the last two games.

Both Sexton and Garland need to hunt for open three pointers earlier in the game so they're not taking their first or second one in the fourth quarter. They both should be averaging 4 threes a game so opposing defenses at least have it in the back of their minds.

Even with all the crafty moves, the way refs feel like calling the game is going to vary from game to game and the key is to adjust how you attack your opponent based on how things are going.

As for Darius, we need to keep in mind he's dealing with two things ... getting back in to shape after a layoff, and a shoulder injury. He will get back in to game shape quickly enough and that's probably why he looked a little sharper .vs. the Lakers, but we don't know what's going on with his shoulder injury.

Stillwater · Post #17 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:46 pm

DG shot has not looked good since coming back from the shoulder 1-9 is 11% from 3 & pretty telling although most were contested in the Boston game at 0-5 and It seems he didn't bother even looking for it against the Lakers who were not defending at the same level. I think as much as I like his improved intensity on the defensive end it is going to take him awhile to avoid foul trouble being the pesky little Nat that could...but I think what bothers me right now is he is not getting to the charity stripe enough.

Post #18 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:38 pm

Stillwater wrote:DG shot has not looked good since coming back from the shoulder 1-9 is 11% from 3 & pretty telling although most were contested in the Boston game at 0-5 and It seems he didn't bother even looking for it against the Lakers who were not defending at the same level. I think as much as I like his improved intensity on the defensive end it is going to take him awhile to avoid foul trouble being the pesky little Nat that could...but I think what bothers me right now is he is not getting to the charity stripe enough.

It's a little difficult to take your criticisms of Garland seriously when you just disappear Sexton's stat line and performance in the exact same games.

Sexton was 3-8 and had 6 turnovers in 16 minutes against Boston. Garland and Sexton were -15 and -14 respectively.

Sexton was 6-17 and had 4 turnovers against the Lakers. Garland 5/10 with 2 TO. They were -2 and -9 respectively.

Stillwater · Post #19 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:36 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:DG shot has not looked good since coming back from the shoulder 1-9 is 11% from 3 & pretty telling although most were contested in the Boston game at 0-5 and It seems he didn't bother even looking for it against the Lakers who were not defending at the same level. I think as much as I like his improved intensity on the defensive end it is going to take him awhile to avoid foul trouble being the pesky little Nat that could...but I think what bothers me right now is he is not getting to the charity stripe enough.

It's a little difficult to take your criticisms of Garland seriously when you just disappear Sexton's stat line and performance in the exact same games.

Sexton was 3-8 and had 6 turnovers in 16 minutes against Boston. Garland and Sexton were -15 and -14 respectively.

Sexton was 6-17 and had 4 turnovers against the Lakers. Garland 5/10 with 2 TO. They were -2 and -9 respectively.

I am not really though I am just pointing out he has not been good since the injury nothing more.
Yes Sexton has had a difficult time against teams that are now game planning against him and will have to continue to evolve which I have more confidence in than you do...nobody was game planning against DG and he still has been bad so there is that too/.

Stillwater · Post #20 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:53 pm

The problem with having 2 small guards as the head of the snake as your main offensive weapons as a far as creating their own or for others is they both have to be playing well enough that defenses have to overvalue them both not just the one who has been hot lately essentially shutting him down and forcing the rest of the team to generate offense and failing to do so.
This org is going to regret moving KPJ I swear it. I dont know why I am the only person that seems to care about it, other than the tireless objections to my takes as to why they did etc.
The Cavs need both Guards playing at a high level or neither will consistently be that successful and not playing them together because DG isnt playing well right now due to minutes restrictions or whatever they want to call it demands more offense from Okoro or somebody that wasnt there without Nance available to create offense through his super human defense this season.
imo No Nance in the line up demands another creator which aint on the roster