Political Roundtable Part XXIX

Post #1321 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:04 pm

Dominion continues to make all the right legal moves. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-is-suing-rudy-giuliani-seeking-1-3-billion-in-damages-after-he-spread-the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-vote-machine-company-rigged-the-election/ar-BB1d4Ga4?ocid=uxbndlbing

And Guliani was working for Trump, so at some point, Trump should be sued. Hopefully, Guliani tries to throw Trump under the bus to try to save his own arse.

dobrojim · Post #1322 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:52 pm

^ hopefully Guiliani will decide to act as his own attorney. I know, I kow, not likely.
A man can dream can't he?

pancakes3 · Post #1323 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:23 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Wow, lunatic wing of the right really doubling down on censorship of the idea that white supremacy exists:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/24/biden-quietly-embraces-far-left-critical-race-theory/

coward didn't even put his name on that piece

verbal8 · Post #1324 » by **verbal8** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:06 pm

dobrojim wrote:^ hopefully Guiliani will decide to act as his own attorney. I know, I kow, not likely.
A man can dream can't he?

He could lose the case and get himself disbarred.

payitforward · Post #1325 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:23 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Wow, lunatic wing of the right really doubling down on censorship of the idea that white supremacy exists:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/24/biden-quietly-embraces-far-left-critical-race-theory/

coward didn't even put his name on that piece

Make that cowards.

dckingsfan · Post #1326 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:59 pm

Biden in the process of purchasing 200M more vaccines

Pointgod · Post #1327 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:18 pm

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dobrojim · Post #1328 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:24 pm

murderous sedition is now officially mainstream GOP orthodoxy.

Wizardspride · Post #1329 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:47 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #1330 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:29 am

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Post #1331 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:59 pm

Wizardspride wrote:

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Let's be honest, she's the embodiment of human excrement - regardless of her political views. The real cowards are the people in her own party who don't stand up against her tactics. Or if they don't care about her tactics, it'd probably make more sense to call them what I called her.

Post #1332 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:04 pm

The Clown party is discovering, that's what their constituents want (after significant encouragement from Fox News).

They could end this right now - Fox News could speak out against it. But Fox News makes it's living spreading division and hate.

pancakes3 · Post #1333 » by **pancakes3** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:12 pm

i was split between Marjerie or Boebert being the worst new congressperson but i guess these recent revelations gives MTG the TKO.

verbal8 · Post #1334 » by **verbal8** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:31 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i was split between Marjerie or Boebert being the worst new congressperson but i guess these recent revelations gives MTG the TKO.

Cawthorn is also pretty awful.

verbal8 · Post #1335 » by **verbal8** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:51 pm

When I first heard it, I thought Kaine's proposal for censure of Trump was an awful idea.
However hearing some details, I think there is some merit to it.
It is being chosen because it is a mechanism for disqualifying Trump by including language that matches the criteria in the 14th amendment. Also very importantly Kaine will only present it if it will get 10(or more) GOP votes. So choosing between a close to party line acquittal with no real consequences or a bipartisan Censure with the potentially the same punishment - the second option should be considered.

I think Kaine would be wise to attach additional considerations.
IMO it should happen after the trial, which will emphasize the scale of the attack that Trump made on the country and Democracy. That way those in the GOP can be judged by history and voters for exactly what they stand for. Don't give the GOP the out of it is just as good as an impeachment conviction.
Also the GOP needs to take official steps against Trump - he should be kicked out of the party for 5 years and disqualified from Nomination for 10.
Also those most involved in Congress should get the "Steve King" treatment - no committees for the term of Congress. The Senate is pretty obvious for Hawley and Cruz. The House clearly would be those involved in the rally and giving Terrorist tours. Depending on how broad the definition was, Liz Cheney might have to be on every House committee. These sanctions should be a start, not the final consequence for those in Congress with involvement in the attack.

Trump will fight an exclusion from the ballot based on Censure. He might succeed in getting on a State ballot - say Florida Governor. However he would be in bad shape for a Presidential run. 15 to 20 states(guessing including NY and CA) wouldn't let him on the ballot for either the Primary or General election. A similar number would let him on without a fight. So he has to wage 10 to 20 legal battles to have a long shot bid at the nomination. He will have 3 disadvantages from typical Trump legal battles. He can't get good representation any more. Time would not be on his side. Not only does he have to win, he also has to coordinate his success to get on enough state ballots.
My guess is he could raise a ton of money trying to do this, but I think it ultimately fails.

dckingsfan · Post #1336 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:37 pm

verbal8 wrote:When I first heard it, I thought Kaine's proposal for censure of Trump was an awful idea.
However hearing some details, I think there is some merit to it.
It is being chosen because it is a mechanism for disqualifying Trump by including language that matches the criteria in the 14th amendment. Also very importantly Kaine will only present it if it will get 10(or more) GOP votes. So choosing between a close to party line acquittal with no real consequences or a bipartisan Censure with the potentially the same punishment - the second option should be considered.

I think Kaine would be wise to attach additional considerations.
IMO it should happen after the trial, which will emphasize the scale of the attack that Trump made on the country and Democracy. That way those in the GOP can be judged by history and voters for exactly what they stand for. Don't give the GOP the out of it is just as good as an impeachment conviction.
Also the GOP needs to take official steps against Trump - he should be kicked out of the party for 5 years and disqualified from Nomination for 10.
Also those most involved in Congress should get the "Steve King" treatment - no committees for the term of Congress. The Senate is pretty obvious for Hawley and Cruz. The House clearly would be those involved in the rally and giving Terrorist tours. Depending on how broad the definition was, Liz Cheney might have to be on every House committee. These sanctions should be a start, not the final consequence for those in Congress with involvement in the attack.

Trump will fight an exclusion from the ballot based on Censure. He might succeed in getting on a State ballot - say Florida Governor. However he would be in bad shape for a Presidential run. 15 to 20 states(guessing including NY and CA) wouldn't let him on the ballot for either the Primary or General election. A similar number would let him on without a fight. So he has to wage 10 to 20 legal battles to have a long shot bid at the nomination. He will have 3 disadvantages from typical Trump legal battles. He can't get good representation any more. Time would not be on his side. Not only does he have to win, he also has to coordinate his success to get on enough state ballots.
My guess is he could raise a ton of money trying to do this, but I think it ultimately fails.

Nice take Verbal... I hadn't considered Trump having to fight through the ballot process in each state.

It has one additional benefit. He may stay on the ballot in R states thereby splitting the votes with an R presidential candidate.

Wizardspride · Post #1337 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:12 am

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I_Like_Dirt · Post #1338 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:54 am

dckingsfan wrote:Biden in the process of purchasing 200M more vaccines

Biden is impressing me so far. Loads of work to do and in a time when the legislature doesn't seem interested in legislating he's got his office back to being a force for good (on average) despite some serious long term dangers I'd like to see addressed. A fair few things need to be moved yet and things can change fast but he's obviously willing to be guided by advisors that know better than him and it's very much to his credit.

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Post #1339 » by **Zonkerbl** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:56 pm

Wizardspride wrote:

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Ah, I was wondering where the "Jewish space laser" jokes were coming from

Post #1340 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:10 pm

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There are so many things disturbing about her, but again - the bigger problems are that people actually elected her and her fellow Reps have not stood up to her. We have too many morons, cowards, and bullies running around unsupervised.