How often is your PG 6' 5" and SG 6' 2"?

[Whiskey Slick]

Because let's face it, that's the situation with the Nets.

I think most of us assumed Kyrie would be the PG and Harden the SG, but it's obviously the opposite.

That said, Harden is such an unreal ball distributor, obviously better than Kyrie who is more of a scorer. When Kyrie gets the ball he's looking to score and only passing if he's doubled, sometimes not even then, that he clearly has all the traits of a SG and lacks the traits of a PG.

Harden, OTOH, is a GREAT SCORER when he wants to be, but he is also a GREAT QB.

So we have an unusual situation where our 6' 5" G is our PG and our 6' 2" G is our SG.

Not complaining about it. That's obviously both players using their best skillsets, but it's surprising.

I don't think anyone listed Harden as our PG and Kyrie as our SG when the Harden trade was made.

[Prokorov]

Because let's face it, that's the situation with the Nets.

I think most of us assumed Kyrie would be the PG and Harden the SG, but it's obviously the opposite.

That said, Harden is such an unreal ball distributor, obviously better than Kyrie who is more of a score. When Kyrie gets the ball he's looking to score and only passing if he's doubled, sometimes not even then, that he clearly has all the traits of a SG and lacks the traits of a PG.

Harden, OTOH, is a GREAT SCORER when he wants to be, but he is also a GREAT QB.

So we have an unusual situation where our 6' 5" G is our PG and our 6' 2" G is our SG.

Not complaining about it. That's obviously both players using their best skillsets, but it's surprising.

I don't think anyone listed Harden as our PG and Kyrie as our SG when the Harden trade was made.

I find this post odd. I think the assumption among Nets fans would be that it would either be Harden at PG or a split between Kyrie and Harden. Kyrie is the superior 3-Point shooter and off-ball player. Not that Harden cant play that role to, but kyrie is a 42-28% 3point shooter and closer to the high end on catch and shoot.

Kyrie also has PG skills, he is just so gifted as a scorer, and create elite shots for himself, the need to setup others presents itself less. But we have seen him be a passer and his vision is ther.

the 6'2" vs 6'5" thing is really irrelevant. Defensively Kyrie can and will guard the Pg while Harden takes ths SG.

Kyrie is basically a 6'2" Kobe.

[Whiskey Slick]

I find this post odd. I think the assumption among Nets fans would be that it would either be Harden at PG or a split between Kyrie and Harden. Kyrie is the superior 3-Point shooter and off-ball player. Not that Harden cant play that role to, but kyrie is a 42-28% 3point shooter and closer to the high end on catch and shoot.

Kyrie also has PG skills, he is just so gifted as a scorer, and create elite shots for himself, the need to setup others presents itself less. But we have seen him be a passer and his vision is ther.

the 6'2" vs 6'5" thing is really irrelevant. Defensively Kyrie can and will guard the Pg while Harden takes ths SG.

Kyrie is basically a 6'2" Kobe.

I would agree if Harden wasn't a three-time NBA scoring champion, while Kyrie has never led the NBA in scoring. So it's not so obvious that Kyrie is the better scorer despite what some stats might say, but it's just as obvious, actually more so, that Harden is the better QB. I knew Harden could distribute the ball, but I never knew he could do it to this degree. He's passing the ball like his HC used to in his prime. It's unreal.

So I'm not arguing that Kyrie and Harden should be switched. Skillsets are more important than size.

I'm just surprised. When the trade was made I just assumed the smaller G would be the PG and the bigger G would be the SG, because that's the norm, but then again I DID NOT KNOW James Harden was a wizard like this at ball distribution, because I was so used to him scoring 40 Points.

[sashaturiaf]

Kobe / Fisher
Jordan / BJ Armstrong
Wade / Chalmers

Seems like a successful recipe for multiple titles. You put the ball in the hands of the better playmaker and play the better spot up shooter off ball.

[sashaturiaf]

I find this post odd. I think the assumption among Nets fans would be that it would either be Harden at PG or a split between Kyrie and Harden. Kyrie is the superior 3-Point shooter and off-ball player. Not that Harden cant play that role to, but kyrie is a 42-28% 3point shooter and closer to the high end on catch and shoot.

Kyrie also has PG skills, he is just so gifted as a scorer, and create elite shots for himself, the need to setup others presents itself less. But we have seen him be a passer and his vision is ther.

the 6'2" vs 6'5" thing is really irrelevant. Defensively Kyrie can and will guard the Pg while Harden takes ths SG.

Kyrie is basically a 6'2" Kobe.

I would agree if Harden wasn't a three-time NBA scoring champion, while Kyrie has never led the NBA in scoring. So it's not so obvious that Kyrie is the better scorer despite what some stats might say, but it's just as obvious, actually more so, that Harden is the better QB. I knew Harden could distribute the ball, but I never knew he could do it to this degree. He's passing the ball like his HC used to in his prime. It's unreal.

So I'm not arguing that Kyrie and Harden should be switched. Skillset are more important than size.

I'm just surprised. When the trade was made I just assumed the smaller G would be the PG and the bigger G would be the SG, because that's the norm, but then again I DID NOT KNOW James Harden was a wizard like this at ball distribution, because I was so used to him scoring 40 Points.

They're equally good as scorers but just in different ways.

However if you just want to throw someone the ball to get a bucket on one play I'll take Kyrie over Harden.

[Prokorov]

I would agree if Harden wasn't a three-time NBA scoring champion, while Kyrie has never led the NBA in scoring. So it's not so obvious that Kyrie is the better scorer despite what some stats might say

I didn't say he was the better scorer, overall he isn't. But he IS the better off-ball scorer since he is a superior catch and shoot player and cutter. Again, not that Harden isnt a good catch and shoot player himself, but Kyrie is the superior shooter. Also, We aren't comparing Harden to Levert here. Kyrie is a 25-28 ppg player at nearly 50/40/90 60+ TS himself over the past 4 seasons.

but it's just as obvious, actually more so, that Harden is the better QB. I knew Harden could distribute the ball, but I never knew he could do it to this degree. He's passing the ball like his HC used to in his prime. It's unreal.

Harden is the superior passer. and props for him for being so unselfish.

I'm just surprised. When the trade was made I just assumed the smaller G would be the PG and the bigger G would be the SG, because that's the norm, but then again I DID NOT KNOW James Harden was a wizard like this at ball distribution, because I was so used to him scoring 40 Points.

I think you are overstating his passing a bit. we arent talking about kid here. he has found a grove with Deandre on lobs but still turns it over quite a bit and a portion of his assists are handing it to a top 5 scorer and watching them abuse someone. Again, no slight to Harden, excellent passer.

I don't think any Net fan is suprised he is the PG and Kyrie the SG for the majority of the game. Despite the media narrative Kyrie isnt some ego maniac unwilling to change his role for benefit of the team or demand PG duties... and we already knew he was an elite of-ball player and top 5 shooter in the league.

Harden also will still be a scorer. I would not be surprised if he ended up averaging close to 30 a game. He is giving us 24 ppg now, and that with him not even trying to score when KD/Kyrie are on the bench. he should feast in those minutes once he adjusts to his new role

[MrDollarBills]

It took one game of Harden in a Nets uniform for me to want him to be the primary facilitator and i think dude had nearly 9 turnovers in that game. He makes the ball move, and frees up Kyrie to be our assassin off the ball.

HOWEVER....!!!

I still want him to be aggressive. I want him to take the open shots when they are there, and to dominate his man if the opponents dare leave him on an island with an inferior defender.

We are unstoppable offensively, we just need to get the pieces to help our defense get to the middle of the pack.

[Whiskey Slick]

It took one game of Harden in a Nets uniform for me to want him to be the primary facilitator and i think dude had nearly 9 turnovers in that game. He makes the ball move, and frees up Kyrie to be our assassin off the ball.

HOWEVER....!!!

I still want him to be aggressive. I want him to take the open shots when they are there, and to dominate his man if the opponents dare leave him on an island with an inferior defender.

We are unstoppable offensively, we just need to get the pieces to help our defense get to the middle of the pack.

Great Post. I couldn't agree more. I love how Harden is distributing the ball and looking for the open man, but if they put one guy on Harden who James can beat in his sleep, forget the passing and just beat him like a drum.

[Prokorov]

It took one game of Harden in a Nets uniform for me to want him to be the primary facilitator and i think dude had nearly 9 turnovers in that game. He makes the ball move, and frees up Kyrie to be our assassin off the ball.

HOWEVER....!!!

I still want him to be aggressive. I want him to take the open shots when they are there, and to dominate his man if the opponents dare leave him on an island with an inferior defender.

We are unstoppable offensively, we just need to get the pieces to help our defense get to the middle of the pack.

Great Post. I couldn't agree more. I love how Harden is distributing the ball and looking for the open man, but if they put one guy on Harden who James can beat in his sleep, forget the passing and just beat him like a drum.

yup. and the two arent mutually exclusive. harden can look to score then dish once help comes. Nash needs to run a ton more pick and roll for him too.

[Pelly24]

Because let's face it, that's the situation with the Nets.

I think most of us assumed Kyrie would be the PG and Harden the SG, but it's obviously the opposite.

That said, Harden is such an unreal ball distributor, obviously better than Kyrie who is more of a scorer. When Kyrie gets the ball he's looking to score and only passing if he's doubled, sometimes not even then, that he clearly has all the traits of a SG and lacks the traits of a PG.

Harden, OTOH, is a GREAT SCORER when he wants to be, but he is also a GREAT QB.

So we have an unusual situation where our 6' 5" G is our PG and our 6' 2" G is our SG.

Not complaining about it. That's obviously both players using their best skillsets, but it's surprising.

I don't think anyone listed Harden as our PG and Kyrie as our SG when the Harden trade was made.

I expected Harden to run the offense from the jump. Kyrie isn't a bad QB, but Harden is better at that, and Kyrie's ability to score in the flow of a game is almost unmatched.